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I'm not sure why 1 match in Pete's post-prime and Fed's pre-prime counts for more than things like Federer having an extra title and bundle of runner-up plates, but whatever floats yourboatgoat
I'm not sure why 1 match in Pete's post-prime and Fed's pre-prime counts for more than things like Federer having an extra title and bundle of runner-up plates, but whatever floats yourboatgoat
floats yourboatgoat
i don't want to give any introduction to this thread, we all know how many times they participated in the slam, who they beat and how many titles they won........let us settle this once and for all........who edges out who in this race at the us open and historically who is greater at this fast hardcourt slam?
Hmm. Let's see.
Federer
Titles: 5
Finals: 7
Semifinals: 10
Quarterfinals: 13
Losses before quarterfinals: 6
Career win-loss: 89-14 (86%)
Top-10 wins: 16
Nadal
Titles: 4
Finals: 5
Semifinals: 8
Quarterfinals: 9
Losses before quarterfinals: 6
Career win-loss: 64-11 (85%)
Top-10 wins: 7
It's really not that close until Nadal wins another. Then there would be arguments either way.
bwahaha ha ha ha ha
Nadal the weak draw vulterer at the US Open being compared to Federer who is MUCH better than him there ?
top 10 record at USO :
federer : 16-6 (72.72%). (22 top 10 players faced in 19 US Opens)
nadal : 7-5 (58.33%) (12 top 10 players faced in 15 US Opens)
top 10 faced by Federer in his 5 US Open wins : 13
top 10 faced by Nadal in his 4 US Open wins : 4
Oh and required reminder to you : Federer has whoopped Nadal 6 times in a row on non-clay surfaces.
Also some advice : get your head out of you know where
Lol in terms of careerto all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......
here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......
here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......
here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
And you can see the difference in numbers. Federer's top 10 matches include 4 straight against Djokovic, one against Murray, Del Potro 2009,Hewitt 2004-05,Agassi 2004-05,Roddick 2006-07
Not a single top 20 match in 2017. And in 2019 untll Medvedev where he came close to losing ,he only played ONE top 20 seed, the 20th seed Diego in quarters.
I don't get what OP means to say by who played who,Nadal didn't exactly have harder competition.
Federer played and beat Murray,Djokovic,Agassi,Hewitt,Roddick, e.t.c multiple times in his winning USO runs. Each of them are USO champions.
Nadal on the other hand only has beaten Djokovic in his winning runs.
Nadal only beat Djokovic. And 2007 and 2008 Djokovic that Federer beat had actually achieved more on HC in the year going into USO than 2010 ,
2007 had 2 HC masters another finals,2008 had AO to his name and a masters and a Finals.
Meanwhile Djokovic 2010 hadn't beaten a top 10 upto the Federer match.
This is Nadal in 2010s against Top 10
TOTALS Match Tiebreak Ace% 1stIn 1st% 2nd% Hld% SPW Brk% RPW TPW DR [x] Time Span: 04-Jan-2010... 7-2 (78%) 3-2 (60%) 3.1% 66.2% 69.1% 53.7% 77.7% 63.9% 26.0% 40.1% 51.7% 1.11
This is Federer from 2004 to 2013 (10years) on USO HC
TOTALS Match Tiebreak Ace% 1stIn 1st% 2nd% Hld% SPW Brk% RPW TPW DR [x] Time Span: 19-Jan-2004... 15-4 (79%) 10-4 (71%) 9.8% 60.5% 75.0% 53.7% 84.7% 66.6% 26.0% 39.0% 52.9% 1.17
And you can see the difference in numbers. Federer's top 10 matches include 4 straight against Djokovic, one against Murray, Del Potro 2009,Hewitt 2004-05,Agassi 2004-05,Roddick 2006-07
Nadal's include Djokovic 3 times,Murray once ,
Not a single top 20 match in 2017. And in 2019 untll Medvedev where he came close to losing ,he only played ONE top 20 seed, the 20th seed Diego in quarters.
So really Nadal's two USO 2010,2013 has world class performances but he lags behind Federer by a lot in other Departments in USO.
@Pheasant was just trolling with that voteyour mothers must be proud
your mothers must be proud
ye@Pheasant was just trolling with that vote
yeUncalled for to name those who voted for Nadal - they are as entitled to their opinion as we are as it is completely subjective anyway. No need to have a 21st-century version of ‘The Scarlet Letter’ or a ‘TTW Walk of Shame’. Lets save that for the fools who turn every tennis post into political arguments which are usually fringe viewpoints in most of their cases.
My mum's proud of me too. I think.your mothers must be proud
you are just a ridiculously insecure clown attacking rafa fans in every thread......so you won’t understand any sensible reply......
Runner up plates is not a measure of greatness. Not at ATG level.I'm not sure why 1 match in Pete's post-prime and Fed's pre-prime counts for more than things like Federer having an extra title and bundle of runner-up plates, but whatever floats your boat.
It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.nope, just obnixous, clueless, insecure nadal fanboys like you.
those facts hurt, don't they ?
It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.
Thats my point. Djokovic did stop Federer who then went on to lose to Nadal. People have different outlooks. For me 5 is more than 4. However nadal getting his 4th UsO was arguably massive for his legacy. It made a mockery of that claydal term that used to get bandied about.Well Fed has never met Nadal there so that's nonsense lol. I guess you could blame Djokovic.
Thats my point. Djokovic did stop Federer who then went on to lose to Nadal. People have different outlooks. For me 5 is more than 4. However nadal getting his 4th UsO was arguably massive for his legacy. It made a mockery of that claydal term that used to get bandied about.
Federer fanboys act like this is crazy comparison, while, based on some old bumped threads, they had Fed's chief minions Hewitt and Roddick as better grass court players than Djokovic as late as 2015. Go figure...to all those calling this a no comparison and using terms like garbage for this thread, your hypocrisy knows no bounds......you were the clowns who compared the likes of roddick and hewitt to murray and djokovic even when both of them crossed 2 slams......
here we are talking 5 and 4 wins at a major, not 15 and 4.......it is laughable how ridiculous and insecure you sound, launching attacks on whoever defends rafa and writing off rafa as a no comparison.......what will you say if rafa wins another next year?
I agree with you. Unless The Nadal won his 5th title by beating Fed Thiem Nole in a row!(Is it even possible considering their rankings?)Federer over Nadal clearly here, even if it is tied IMO. Nadal for me would need 6 to be greater.
I agree with you. Unless The Nadal won his 5th title by beating Fed Thiem Nole in a row!(Is it even possible considering their rankings?)
Rafa has had some luck but he destroyed DelPo when all Fed did was bend over for the Tower of Tandil at the USO.
Rafa playing in the evening with slower balls helps his timing. Fed playing flat hitters like Delpo, Berdych, Tsonga not.
Players like Sinner, FA and Museti could probably win 5 to 6 USOs if the political landscape improved but this tyranny
has been planned for over 70 years is destroying our sport for the worse and the USO was like a bad joke.
Raphael Nadal FO 2020 ChampionNot even close. In terms of level, Federer. Rafa is never winning another slam, mark my words
It seems Nadal's USO record has triggered you. Fact is there are many who do think Nadal and Djokovic are better at USO than Federer because he stopped winning there once they both peaked. Not my view. 5 is more than 4 but i am afraid as much as federer fanboys whine about so called weak draws for all of Nadals 19 Majors, there is a huge amount of people especially casual tennis fans who would look at Federer not having a USO title during his two big rivals peak as significant. As i say not my view at all but there is that narrative as this thread illustrates.
I wouldn't say d!ck all. He reached the final in 2009, semis in 2010 and 2011, a semi in 2014 and another final in 2015.Easy. Federer.
However I disagree with people who bring up 5 in a row as an advantage for Federer. I don't see it that way. All that tells me is that after 2008 he's done dick all at the tournament.
In fact it might even be a disadvantage if anything. Let's take 2 players and they've each won the same amount of titles (and also reached same amount of finals/semi/quarter/etc) but one won 5 in a row vs the other who won 5 over the course of 15-20 years. Honestly...I'd say the latter is more impressive because he was able to win over multiple generations of competitors and also maybe differing tournament factors (rules, court speeds, etc).
That's how Federer and Djokovic won their FOsIf he had stuck around for a little while longer, he could have had a better shot.
It's not a maybe, it's a definitely. He wasn't beating Federer at Wimb after 2002.I don't think the 2001 match was very important... It was between 2 completely different generations and also it could have gone either way. It’s not as if Sampras knew that Federer was going to become an all-time great and that this match was going to eventually have a certain meaning.
Federer obviously has an extra title and several more finals, but the fact that Federer lost all his 3 finals to Djokovic is definitely a bad look. Sampras when he made the final had that unbeatable aura. But maybe if Sampras had played up until his late 30s he would have lost many finals too so we can’t hold it against Federer, he is definitely still at #1 for Wimbledon.
That wasn't a night match was it?
Peak Fed, 2437-0 in hypotheticals and counting.It's not a maybe, it's a definitely. He wasn't beating Federer at Wimb after 2002.
... although in fairness, a few tried? (not you - with you on this one)This thread was fun actually because there was no way us Fed fans were losing this debate
That was a tough loss.I thought that he can win another USO, especially given his good run in that period, which started in the fall of 2011.It wasn't.
I remember watching the USO 09 final starting at around 1:30 AM India time in the night at my hostel (4 PM NY Time). Went back disappointed at around 6:00 AM my time.
Federer's 1st loss under the lights at the USO was in 2012 vs berdych
That was a tough loss.I thought that he can win another USO, especially given his good run in that period, which started in the fall of 2011.
Better to just lose in 4th round, no?Runner up plates is not a measure of greatness. Not at ATG level.
Yeah, but I'd much rather have them than a bunch of 3rd rounds instead.Runner up plates is not a measure of greatness. Not at ATG level.