Sinner vs. Alcaraz China Open SF 2023
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NYTennisfan
Professional
2-2 head to head and 1-1 in slams so....no
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yeah, and that is tennis in a nutshell.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
A breadstick is a perfectly sized meal for someone as smol as tiny.
I'm afraid so. We'll see.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
Only someone with brain damage would think that but enjoy your delusion
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
That's not counted in the h2h according to ATP. They were basically kids then playing on the challenger tour.
NYTennisfan
Professional
Not even close. I think all the weight of the pressure and the extra fame that came with the Wimbledon win really wore him down mentally. I thought he was better on the Hard Courts last year tbh.
He'll figure it out though. He's still only 20, as hard as that is to believe.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
His form is good enough to challenge even Medvedev.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
The hype on Carlos will cool a bit now. He’s very good but he’s got a lot of work to do.
There a few people who can beat him on hard courts.
There a few people who can beat him on hard courts.
jimjam
Professional
I mean those numbers are facts, so a bit of a weird take to call them a delusion
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
I agree that for some reason, this is a particularly bad matchup for Alcaraz, but some of you speak like Sinner plays like completely garbage against everyone else. That's simply not the case. Yes, he gets tight in some big spots and isn't always super dominant, but he's a very good player.
Let's hope not. Not sure how Sinner was feeling, but his Miami semi against Carlos was a long and grueling match. This second set is exactly what Sinner needed.
NYTennisfan
Professional
Typical idiotic response from you.
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Baseline_Bungle
Hall of Fame
4 wins over the super-future-mega-goat. With 4 tasty tyrolean breadsticks. He has now beaten Ratz at all 4 levels of ATP play: 250, 500, 1000 and slam. Tomorrow, he'll be world number 4.
"Not too bad"... 4 a perennially injured choking mental midget with no serve, no slice, no touch, no net game, no legs, no personality and no chance.
What a performance!
"Not too bad"... 4 a perennially injured choking mental midget with no serve, no slice, no touch, no net game, no legs, no personality and no chance.
What a performance!
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
Obviously he is an incredible player but there are some players he has issues with wich I find a bit weird. He has major problems against Medvedev for example (0-5 I believe) and also Zverev but he handles Alcaraz like a boss. If he can play like this against Alcaraz I don't see why he can't against Medvedev or even Djokovic for that matter.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
this is like saying hurkacz is better than Rog because they’re 1-1. Makes zero sense.
burn.
Benf15harp
Hall of Fame
Doesn’t take much variety to defeat a midget
Baseline_Bungle
Hall of Fame
Yes, he missed a few bad ones here and there - but never let it cost him. Overall, as close to perfect as I've ever seen him. And I've seen pretty much every one of his matches since Feb '19.
Every ATP match of them went to a tie-break.
Every match of them had the spaniard as the favorite, yet Sinner is the only player to defeat Alcaraz 4 times (and he defeated him on every surface). If he's gonna be a multiple slam wnner, I swear that this is gonna be from the confidence he got by beating Alcaraz.
Every match of them had the spaniard as the favorite, yet Sinner is the only player to defeat Alcaraz 4 times (and he defeated him on every surface). If he's gonna be a multiple slam wnner, I swear that this is gonna be from the confidence he got by beating Alcaraz.
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Sinner is always going to be a tough matchup. And on top of that’s, Carlos has been on fumes since the American HC began. He’s nowhere close to the level he showed in the early to mid parts of the year. That Wimbledon win seems to have taken more out of Carlos than expected. This is poor from Alcaraz.
uscwang
Hall of Fame
Exactly who?My favorite is this one, where Alcaraz is telling us the number of games he'd win from there to the end of the match.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Alcarez becomes pigeon of Sinner then this could become a problem in breaking novak's record of 23 slams
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
That sums it up, but Sinner was better than just mediocre today.
24 you mean
top10
Semi-Pro
He better do better than semi in Shanghai or he may need to beat Djokovic (maybe twice) in Paris and Rome to get the Year End #1
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
novak only has 23
Nate7-5
Hall of Fame
Did you notice his jacket?
no he has 24 and everyone knows that
just a lovely wee reminder
www.espn.co.uk
Where does the 2023 US Open rank among Novak Djokovic's Grand Slam titles?
Novak Djokovic just won his fourth US Open crown, making him the first man to win 24 Slam titles. As he races toward the record for Grand Slam titles, where does his 2023 performance in New York stack up?
He was alright but I've seen him play better even against Alcaraz. He was down a break two times in set 1, lost the minibreaks in the TB, and even faced 3 break-back points in the breadstick set. He sprayed errors when Alcaraz remotely mixed things up.
If Alcaraz had not gone down the "who's the man" route, Sinner's true level would have been fully exposed today.
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
I could be as simply as Medvedev playing a few feet/meters further behind the baseline, allowing him to return more of Sinner's shots, while Alcaraz doesn't want to move back. But it seems clear that Alcaraz does better against Medvedev because he is willing (and more than able) to go to the net to finish points. Sinner just said in his interview that he will try some new things, so let's hope...
Yes, he looked composed today, even in the tighter spots or when things were going his way. I'm confident he will continue to mature mentally and physically.
Seems to be the case, but Carlos also skipped the entire Australian swing to start the year. Given he is only 20, and hasn't played the full calendar, he should be pretty fresh physically.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Congrats dking68, finally Sinner gave you some good news.
Enjoy it, it prolly be short-lived since Daniil is waiting on the other side of the net.
Nevertheless
Baseline_Bungle
Hall of Fame
Med and Zed can absorb the pace and go for hours from the back with him, especially on that BH diagonal which is Sinner's real strong point. He's always had issues with that type of counterpuncher - for crying out loud, he lost like 4 times to Bedene... Ratz on the other hand has much more variety but can get impatient. And for some reason, he seems to find Ratz's ball better than ne does with those two, perhaps cause it has a little more shape to it. Also, at the end of the day, Muscle Boy's serve is just not as dominant as the two tall Russians. But as I've said long ago: slowly yet steadily, the Mountain Boy will catch up to those two - as he has with Tsits. And eventually, he will leave them both in the rear view mirror.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
This. Carlitos is not a bigger hitter than Jannik but tries to be and that leads to too many errors.
That's the genius of Djokovic. He understood early in his career that he wasn't going to outhit anyone, so he developed a percentages game that fits his strokes and consistency. Now imagine if Carlitos can do that.
bigjimbofan
Rookie
You would have been correct a month ago.
NYTennisfan
Professional
Yeah except for the fact that Alcaraz was/is #1 in the world and won 2 slams while Hurkacz is barely a top 20 player that has done nothing of note but, yeah, that's the same.
Djokovic had the better year and is the top dog still so I'm not arguing that ftr but h2h they've been as even as can be. The margins are thin between the two.
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Your jinxing powers are approaching mine own.
Happy for you guys though. However, this is nothing that hasn’t happened before - the real challenge comes tomorrow.
dking68
Legend
I think he finally beats the Russian lion tomorrow
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I win again and he must change his fantasy Premier League team name to Curry Incorporated.
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