Stop dissing Rafa on grass

[nadalfan2013]

Rafa's prime on grass was between 2006 and 2011, and he made Wimbledon finals during that period.

2006 WB final
2007 WB final
2008 WB champion
2009 didn't play
2010 WB champion
2011 WB final

A 6 year span of excellent grass results.


Rafa's prime on hardcourt was between 2009 and 2014, and he made AO and USO finals during that period.

2009 AO champion
2010 USO champion
2011 USO final
2012 AO final
2013 USO champion
2014 AO final

Again, a 6 year span of excellent hardcourt results.


There's nothing wrong with his grass results, he had exactly the same "peak years" as his hardcourt results, it's just that it was 2006-2011 instead of 2009-2014. Don't just look at the end years of 2011 vs 2014, look at the whole picture.

 

[Tennis wizard]

Whos rafa ?

 

[Chanwan]

much needed thread, thanks OP. Too much Rafa dissing here.

 

[nadalfan2013]

much needed thread, thanks OP. Too much Rafa dissing here.

Thanks, and yeah haters like to always diss Rafa, but I will always be here to defend him and spread love. It's just how I am, it's all about love.

 

[Legend of Borg]

just when i thought people were getting out of hand with the rafa dissing this thread pops up

good job

 

[newpball]

Rafa's prime on grass was between 2006 and 2011,

Gee, is it that long ago, like a generation past.

 

[Goosehead]

we all glorify rafa on tt..we will have no "dissing" of w@fa whatsoever.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

It's true that Nadal had strong prime results everywhere bar indoors. His out-of-prime results are remarkably poor, though. You'd think if he's such an unparallelled champion, he should have found a way to retain competitiveness when handicapped.

 

[tennisaddict]

Rafa is irrelevant in GOAT discussions on grass and Hard.

Next.

 

[dr325i]

Rafa's prime on grass was between 2006 and 2011, and he made Wimbledon finals during that period.

2006 WB final
2007 WB final
2008 WB champion
2009 didn't play
2010 WB champion
2011 WB final

A 6 year span of excellent grass results.

Why is "did not play" considered an "excellent result"?

 

[Goosehead]

rafa prime on grass didn't include 2009 lol..get real op.

 

[nadalfan2013]

Why is "did not play" considered an "excellent result"?

rafa prime on grass didn't include 2009 lol..get real op.

If you don't understand the meaning of the opening post, then you guys really need to go back to school.

 

[Goosehead]

stop dissing rafa about 2012 Wimbledon..rosol was winning so that didn't really count as a defeat for rafa. grass prime 2006-2012.

 

[jm1980]

I would never diss Rafa on grass

 

[Shaolin]

I would never diss Rafa on grass

Rafa on grass: A gift to all journeymen on tour for years.

 

[nadalfan2013]

stop dissing rafa about 2012 Wimbledon..rosol was winning so that didn't really count as a defeat for rafa. grass prime 2006-2012.

Rafa was injured during that match and then missed the 2012 USO and 2013 AO. Remember?

 

[tennisaddict]

Rafa on grass: A gift to all journeymen on tour for years.

Christmas comes early for journeymen when they draw Rafa in R1 or R2

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Why is "did not play" considered an "excellent result"?

because it's a moral win, of course.
no wonder you're not a fan of the nadal if you're not smart enough to find the obvious answer to this question...

 

[Deleted member 743561]

I would never diss Rafa on grass

Brilliant gif. Even the spectators' victory fists amuse. Such delight.

 

[nadalfan2013]

None of these players beat Rafa 9 times in a slam. Now THAT would be embarrassing.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

None of these players beat Rafa 9 times in a slam. Now THAT would be embarrassing.

Can you even imagine racking up 9 titles at a major tournament, and only having seven more match wins to your name than someone who won there once? Good thing he had the speciality. Otherwise...

 

[InsideOut900]

I would never diss Rafa on grass

I swear this is one of the strangest coincidances in tennis.
All 4 guys ranked outside of top 100 and all finished Nadal with an ace.
And Nadal had the chance to change that,guess what,got injured and skipped Wimbledon.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Thanks, and yeah haters like to always diss Rafa, but I will always be here to defend him and spread love. It's just how I am, it's all about love.

You're doing Hansel proud.

 

[Tennisanity]

Don't forget he made some HC finals in 2005 too, so you could include that as part of his prime too, whilst excluding the following year when failed to make the same final.

 

[nadalfan2013]

Don't forget he made some HC finals in 2005 too, so you could include that as part of his prime too, whilst excluding the following year when failed to make the same final.

He made a slam hardcourt final in 2005?

 

[Steve0904]

I would never diss Rafa on grass

Man, that's rough. Even Darcis hit an ace. LOL.

 

[Tennisanity]

He made a slam hardcourt final in 2005?

Well he made a slam HC final in 2014, but he lost that match so that wasn't part of his prime.

 

[Steve0904]

This thread is on the legendary path if it keeps going. I sense a real potential in this one.

 

[metsman]

@nadalfan2013 Rafa is a big and beautiful boy, I don't think he needs you to stand up to his internet bullies.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

To be fair Rafa's results and peak game on grass have been praised a lot, especially when compared to other players from his generation that had the similar amount of success on that surface.

 

[batz]

Rafa obliterated Murray in the Wimby 2008 QFs - made just 8 UE in 3 sets. Murray's first slam QF it was. Rafa in his pomp was awesome on grass - but it's been a long time since we saw that guy on the green stuff.

 

[cockneyDjoker]

The c**k will stop dissing Rafa on grass as soon as he stops losing to mugs like Brown, Darcis and Rosol

 

[KINGROGER]

Rafa's grass results were excellent vs peak / prime Federer so I won't dis him for that. It's more the embarrassing early round defeats to mugs and journeymen between 2012-2015. During those years, he still won RG 3 times, and USO once, so why did his grass game suddenly diminish so badly?

Also your "prime years" is rather arbitrary.

Grass prime is from 06 - 11 but Hard court prime is only from 09? Why is GOATdal unable to adapt to all surfaces at the same time? Also if his grass prime was 06 onward, why do some Rafa fans discredit Fed's wins over Rafa in 06, 07, calling him "babydal"?

Admittedly, Fed's clay prime wasn't until 05, but that's only 1 year of adjustment, which explains his 04 loss to Kuerten.

Lastly if Rafa's HC prime was 09 onward, why was he able to beat prime Fed at Dubai, and give him an amazing final in 05 at Miami?

 

[the green god]

I'll make sure to keep the tissues handy when I reread this literary fellatio later this evening.

 

[Tennease]

Nadal on grass is epic.

 

[Booger]

Mods - please move this to Former Pro Player Talk

 

[nadalfan2013]

When I say prime, I used grandslams finals as examples. If Rafa was reaching slam finals on a surface it ment that he was still in top form on that surface. It's really simple, the math is there for all of you to see.

2006-2011 for Grass (6 years)
2009-2014 for Hardcourt (6 years)

Sure he's had success on these surfaces outside of that span, for example as many of you were quick to point out that prior to 2009 he made some hardcourt finals and won some titles, and as I will add myself that even in 2015 he won a grass title way pas his grass prime. But I'm talking about slam success since you always mention his early round losses at Wimbledon (which one was against Kyrgios who was on fire and climbing the rankings ever since, while in an another one he was injured and missed many months right after). After 2014 on hardcourt, he had early losses at the USO, AO, etc. That doesn't mean that all of a sudden he was never great on hardcourt. So stop repeating the same about grass.

Nadal is only one of 2 men to win at least 2 slams on each surface, the only man ever to hold slams on all 3 surfaces in TWO separate times, and the only man to ever win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces in a year. He also had clay, grass and hardcourt sweeps. That's not to mention that he beat prime Federer on grass, hardcourt (WB and AO) and prime Djokovic on hardcourt (twice at the USO). All this and I'm not even focusing on clay. So grass, clay, hardcourt, whatever it is, Rafa has shown that he reached the peak of it all. Show some respect by clicking the like button. Do it, it will feel good I promise you. It will be a vote for humanity and life.

 

[Luckydog]

Achievement is achievement ,objective fans accept the fact ,no need any dissing. But ,accepting the fact is one thing ,boasting too much is another.As the OP trying to tell us ,nadal's prime 2009 ~2014 ,there were 12 chances to prove his ability on hardcourt,but he "only" claimed 3 hardcourt slam titiles ,1/4 success rate,good ,but far from excellent. If you consider that nadal already had his fisrt FO title in 2005(seriously,I don't believe a player who has claimed a GS title has been not mature),his success rate on hardcourt is only 3 out of 19. The verdict has been clear ,nadal even in his prime as OP defined was just up to par(the standard of a great player) on hardcourt ,but just so so if from the view of his entire career .
Nothing worthy to boast.

 

[Luckydog]

Why is "did not play" considered an "excellent result"?

Fanboy's talk ,you know.

 

[KINGROGER]

Rafa didn't reach any GS finals on hard courts because he got owned by mugs and second tier players like Ferrer, 08 Murray, Post injuries Hewitt, Youzny, Blake etc. No excuses either as he was winning clay RG slams since 05.

Also Kyrgios is a mug who would've been owned by Federer, Djokovic or Murray. Shame for Nadal losing to this muppet. Also Rosol, Darcis, Brown lol let me guess must have been injured each time?

 

[Druss]

Rafa's grass results were excellent vs peak / prime Federer so I won't dis him for that. It's more the embarrassing early round defeats to mugs and journeymen between 2012-2015. During those years, he still won RG 3 times, and USO once, so why did his grass game suddenly diminish so badly?

Also your "prime years" is rather arbitrary.

Grass prime is from 06 - 11 but Hard court prime is only from 09? Why is GOATdal unable to adapt to all surfaces at the same time? Also if his grass prime was 06 onward, why do some Rafa fans discredit Fed's wins over Rafa in 06, 07, calling him "babydal"?

Admittedly, Fed's clay prime wasn't until 05, but that's only 1 year of adjustment, which explains his 04 loss to Kuerten.

Lastly if Rafa's HC prime was 09 onward, why was he able to beat prime Fed at Dubai, and give him an amazing final in 05 at Miami?

Federer's clay prime/peak was 2009!

 

[Rafa the King]

Rafa's grass results were excellent vs peak / prime Federer so I won't dis him for that. It's more the embarrassing early round defeats to mugs and journeymen between 2012-2015. During those years, he still won RG 3 times, and USO once, so why did his grass game suddenly diminish so badly?

Also your "prime years" is rather arbitrary.

Grass prime is from 06 - 11 but Hard court prime is only from 09? Why is GOATdal unable to adapt to all surfaces at the same time? Also if his grass prime was 06 onward, why do some Rafa fans discredit Fed's wins over Rafa in 06, 07, calling him "babydal"?

Admittedly, Fed's clay prime wasn't until 05, but that's only 1 year of adjustment, which explains his 04 loss to Kuerten.

Lastly if Rafa's HC prime was 09 onward, why was he able to beat prime Fed at Dubai, and give him an amazing final in 05 at Miami?

If Fed's clay court prime is 05-06 onwards, how did he win Hamburg in 02. See the failed logic?

 

[Luckydog]

If Fed's clay court prime is 05-06 onwards, how did he win Hamburg in 02. See the failed logic?

I don't see any logic problem .Only one match result doesn't mean much .Although Fed won Hamburg in 02,he still lost many matches within 02 -04,especially on clay. But since 2005 ,he nearly only lost to the monster nadal on clay .I think that's why some guy defines Fed's clay court prime is 05 -06 onward .

 

[ghostofMecir]

It's true that Nadal had strong prime results everywhere bar indoors. His out-of-prime results are remarkably poor, though. You'd think if he's such an unparallelled champion, he should have found a way to retain competitiveness when handicapped.

This but "he was injured" excuses incoming.

 

[ghostofMecir]

Man, that's rough. Even Darcis hit an ace. LOL.

Probably one of like 7 aces he hit all year. He also pulled out injured, didn't he after beat Rafa?

 

[ghostofMecir]

When I say prime, I used grandslams finals as examples. If Rafa was reaching slam finals on a surface it ment that he was still in top form on that surface. It's really simple, the math is there for all of you to see.

2006-2011 for Grass (6 years)
2009-2014 for Hardcourt (6 years)

Sure he's had success on these surfaces outside of that span, for example as many of you were quick to point out that prior to 2009 he made some hardcourt finals and won some titles, and as I will add myself that even in 2015 he won a grass title way pas his grass prime. But I'm talking about slam success since you always mention his early round losses at Wimbledon (which one was against Kyrgios who was on fire and climbing the rankings ever since, while in an another one he was injured and missed many months right after). After 2014 on hardcourt, he had early losses at the USO, AO, etc. That doesn't mean that all of a sudden he was never great on hardcourt. So stop repeating the same about grass.

Nadal is only one of 2 men to win at least 2 slams on each surface, the only man ever to hold slams on all 3 surfaces in TWO separate times, and the only man to ever win 3 slams on 3 different surfaces in a year. He also had clay, grass and hardcourt sweeps. That's not to mention that he beat prime Federer on grass, hardcourt (WB and AO) and prime Djokovic on hardcourt (twice at the USO). All this and I'm not even focusing on clay. So grass, clay, hardcourt, whatever it is, Rafa has shown that he reached the peak of it all. Show some respect by clicking the like button. Do it, it will feel good I promise you. It will be a vote for humanity and life.

So fed beat prime nadal on grass and not babydal?

 

[Gary Duane]

Rafa is irrelevant in GOAT discussions on grass and Hard.

Next.

That's rather asinine.

Fed's out of the GOAT debate on clay. Doesn't mean he has not been a very good player, and he only has one RG.

Giving a guy credit for what he has accomplished is not the same thing as a GOAT discussion, which is pointless anyway.

 

[Steve0904]

Probably one of like 7 aces he hit all year. He also pulled out injured, didn't he after beat Rafa?

Yes he did.

 

[nadalfan2013]

It's true that Nadal had strong prime results everywhere bar indoors. His out-of-prime results are remarkably poor, though. You'd think if he's such an unparallelled champion, he should have found a way to retain competitiveness when handicapped.

Why? We saw how a somewhat injured Federer performed in 2013 (1 atp 250 title) after winning a slam in 2012. Rafa's injuries have been far more serious forcing him to miss many tournaments. You may argue that Federer was older in 2013 but Rafa started winning slams earlier. Federer slam years (2003-2012) and Rafa (2005-2014). That makes Federer's 2013 equivalent/comparable to Rafa's 2015. Don't underestimate injuries.

 

[KINGROGER]

Why? We saw how a somewhat injured Federer performed in 2013 (1 atp 250 title) after winning a slam in 2012. Rafa's injuries have been far more serious forcing him to miss many tournaments. You may argue that Federer was older in 2013 but Rafa started winning slams earlier. Federer slam years (2003-2012) and Rafa (2005-2014). That makes Federer's 2013 equivalent/comparable to Rafa's 2015. Don't underestimate injuries.

Right, so Nadal was badly injured for 4 years straight at Wimbledon? 3 years straight from 06-08 on hard courts? Permanently injured between mid/late 2014 - 2015?