Toni: When Nadal is fit, he's battling physical struggles from prior injuries

True Fanerer

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octobrina10 said:
Fed devotee, don't try to cheat readers by constructing fictional stories about Rafa!
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Thanks. It's been a while.

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Gary Duane

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Sabratha said:
Too bad my migraines are biological. My Grandmother is 89 years of age, has never smoked, has eaten cleanly and still suffered from bad bouts of migraines. My Dad who is a health nut has had them throughout his life too although he is a smoker..

I began to have them at age 16. At that time they were horrible, arguably the worst pain I've ever experienced even to this day. But with time they don't occur as often and when they do, they aren't anywhere near as severe. As a teenager I'd have to sleep off my migraines. Now I'm in my mid twenties they are just a minor annoyance throughout the day.

Then again I did read that they pick up again in your 30s. If so I haven't got much to look forward to.
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Yes, it's about the worst pain imaginable. With my broken shoulder, now amazingly so much better after only two weeks and a half, I was able to fall asleep the first night. But I've had migraines where I couldn't sleep at all. One last three days in my late 20s, and I threw up on and off the whole time. These things would finally pass, and within an hour or two I could again eat anything in the world.

I tried acupuncture, chiropractors, different diets, specialists, allergy shots, yoga. I finally ended up with prescription pills, mostly clonopin, to relax my body enough to circumvent the worst of the pain and to bypass the worst of the nausea, but they still hit just about weekly.

Then I found out that caffeine was the trigger. Who knew?

I never drank coffee or tea, don't like either, but we all started drinking Coke, Pepsi and RC Cola when we were under 10. Later I switched to Mountain Dew. All these things have caffeine. All of them always made me feel better, as in more energetic, when I was in a slump, a lot like coffee. After age 30 I started drinking the diet stuff, but I don't think that had any impact. I don't have a problem with sugar (diabetes). Tests never shows anything.

I'm sure my doctor does not believe me. He probably thinks I'm a head case but is too polite to say so. Only my close friends and family saw the change. No headaches now, ever.

You would think I would have tried not taking in caffeine, but it never occurred to me since there is caffeine in almost every drug on the market to get rid of headaches.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/excedrin

I started taking this in high school. At first it was a wonder drug. I would take one in the afternoon at school when a headache started, and all traces of the headache would fade away. Apparently over time it boomeranged, causing a reaction so that in my 20s taking something like Exedrin would accelerate the pain, making my heart pound and increasing the nausea.

This, by the way, is why I believe Novak. If you have a trigger, it can ruin you life yet unless you get lucky and find out what it is, you never know what is screwing things up.
 
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Gary Duane said:
Yes, it's about the worst pain imaginable. With my broken shoulder, now amazingly so much better after only two weeks and a half, I was able to fall asleep the first night. But I've had migraines where I couldn't sleep at all. One last three days in my late 20s, and I threw up on and off the whole time. These things would finally pass, and within an hour or two I could again eat anything in the world.

I tried acupuncture, chiropractors, different diets, specialists, allergy shots, yoga. I finally ended up with prescription pills, mostly clonopin, to relax my body enough to circumvent the worst of the pain and to bypass the worst of the nausea, but they still hit just about weekly.

Then I found out that caffeine was the trigger. Who knew?

I never drank coffee or tea, don't like either, but we all started drinking Coke, Pepsi and RC Cola when we were under 10. Later I switched to Mountain Dew. All these things have caffeine. All of them always made me feel better, as in more energetic, when I was in a slump, a lot like coffee. After age 30 I started drinking the diet stuff, but I don't think that had any impact. I don't have a problem with sugar (diabetes). Tests never shows anything.

I'm sure my doctor does not believe me. He probably thinks I'm a head case but is too polite to say so. Only my close friends and family saw the change. No headaches now, ever.

You would think I would have tried not taking in caffeine, but it never occurred to me since there is caffeine in almost every drug on the market to get rid of headaches.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/excedrin

I started taking this in high school. At first it was a wonder drug. I would take one in the afternoon at school when a headache started, and all traces of the headache would fade away. Apparently over time it boomeranged, causing a reaction so that in my 20s taking something like Exedrin would accelerate the pain, making my heart pound and increasing the nausea.

This, by the way, is why I believe Novak. If you have a trigger, it can ruin you life yet unless you get lucky and find out what it is, you never know what is screwing things up.
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Thanks for sharing, Gary!

I know that certain drugs can have rebound effects. That's why I've only ever relied on paracetamol and tried my best to fight through the pain. The time it takes for it to work was absolutely horrible though. I would be sitting there, in the worst pain I've ever experienced, feeling like throwing up with one side of my head throbbing like no tomorrow. But once it kicked in that was all she wrote.

With my migraine headaches I see an aura so I know when they are coming. But that's uncomfortable too, as the nausea starts kicking in around that time.

The first time I ever saw an aura I thought I was going blind. I didn't know what was going on. That scared me half to death. Now, I realize it's my body warning me before a migraine strikes.

A couple of times I've had painless migraines (seen an aura without having any particular pain associated with it).

The aura does go away within 15-30 minutes but it leaves you with a head that aches so badly it's too much to bear.
 
Gary Duane

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Sabratha said:
Thanks for sharing, Gary!

I know that certain drugs can have rebound effects. That's why I've only ever relied on paracetamol and tried my best to fight through the pain. The time it takes for it to work was absolutely horrible though. I would be sitting there, in the worst pain I've ever experienced, feeling like throwing up with one side of my head throbbing like no tomorrow. But once it kicked in that was all she wrote.

With my migraine headaches I see an aura so I know when they are coming. But that's uncomfortable too, as the nausea starts kicking in around that time.

The first time I ever saw an aura I thought I was going blind. I didn't know what was going on. That scared me half to death. Now, I realize it's my body warning me before a migraine strikes.

A couple of times I've had painless migraines (seen an aura without having any particular pain associated with it).

The aura does go away within 15-30 minutes but it leaves you with a head that aches so badly it's too much to bear.
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You have the classic migraine. I never got auras, and some people label what I had as "cluster headaches". They always started in my neck, then wrapped around my temples and ended worst of all in my forehead, sort of centered around the eyes. Once they started I could count on 8-12 hours of pain. The drugs were to lessen the fear, because you feel your whole body tightening up. Sometimes I would just lie in bed, curled up in a ball, for hours. This started at around age 18-19.

Some things you can try: sometimes you can fool the pain by shocking it. I would use ice packs, and the best for me just was putting ice in a big baggie, what I did recently for my shoulder. Take as much cold as you can, then get in a shower with as hot water as you can stand. Or a hot bath. I actually dropped my head below the water in a tub, with only my nose sticking out. It stops about 50% of the pain, maybe more, but it's stubborn and keeps trying to rebound. So ice, heat, ice, heat. Try it.

Try moving the ice from the neck to your forehead, same idea, shock the pain. Some times I had heat on my neck (hot pad) and ice on my face. Expect zero help from doctors. They simply don't know anything about this. Just try stuff. Nothing works all the way until the pain goes, and then it's like it never happened.
 
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125downthemiddle said:
Aspartame is fine lol. I've drunk enough to fill an olympic sized swimming pool so let's hope so!
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So, you're taking the word of Donald Rumsfeld over the one by FDA's own scientists who refused during +10 years to put it on the market because increased rates of brain cancer ?

Clever boy you!

o_O
 
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Gary Duane said:
You have the classic migraine. I never got auras, and some people label what I had as "cluster headaches". They always started in my neck, then wrapped around my temples and ended worst of all in my forehead, sort of centered around the eyes. Once they started I could count on 8-12 hours of pain. The drugs were to lessen the fear, because you feel your whole body tightening up. Sometimes I would just lie in bed, curled up in a ball, for hours. This started at around age 18-19.

Some things you can try: sometimes you can fool the pain by shocking it. I would use ice packs, and the best for me just was putting ice in a big baggie, what I did recently for my shoulder. Take as much cold as you can, then get in a shower with as hot water as you can stand. Or a hot bath. I actually dropped my head below the water in a tub, with only my nose sticking out. It stops about 50% of the pain, maybe more, but it's stubborn and keeps trying to rebound. So ice, heat, ice, heat. Try it.

Try moving the ice from the neck to your forehead, same idea, shock the pain. Some times I had heat on my neck (hot pad) and ice on my face. Expect zero help from doctors. They simply don't know anything about this. Just try stuff. Nothing works all the way until the pain goes, and then it's like it never happened.
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Thanks for the information, Gary. I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time I suffer from a bad migraine. ;)

I noticed if I hold my breath the pain dissipates for a few seconds, then returns. But that's probably because I'm cutting off oxygen to my brain for a small amount of time which also cannot be too healthy.

I read that sometimes migraines can be related to nasal issues. I know that they run in my family too, with my uncle having to have an operation on his nasal cavity to relieve the tension/stress it caused.

But I'm not really someone who opts to go under the knife unless it's life or death stuff.
 
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Gary Duane said:
You have the classic migraine. I never got auras, and some people label what I had as "cluster headaches". They always started in my neck, then wrapped around my temples and ended worst of all in my forehead, sort of centered around the eyes. Once they started I could count on 8-12 hours of pain. The drugs were to lessen the fear, because you feel your whole body tightening up. Sometimes I would just lie in bed, curled up in a ball, for hours. This started at around age 18-19.

Some things you can try: sometimes you can fool the pain by shocking it. I would use ice packs, and the best for me just was putting ice in a big baggie, what I did recently for my shoulder. Take as much cold as you can, then get in a shower with as hot water as you can stand. Or a hot bath. I actually dropped my head below the water in a tub, with only my nose sticking out. It stops about 50% of the pain, maybe more, but it's stubborn and keeps trying to rebound. So ice, heat, ice, heat. Try it.

Try moving the ice from the neck to your forehead, same idea, shock the pain. Some times I had heat on my neck (hot pad) and ice on my face. Expect zero help from doctors. They simply don't know anything about this. Just try stuff. Nothing works all the way until the pain goes, and then it's like it never happened.
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Imitrex injections worked for me instantly. Haven't had my headaches in almost a decade though
 
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NoleFam said:
I think Toni is so wrapped up in his own world of Nadal and being Nadal's uncle and coach for so many years, that he doesn't realize that all top players are playing through pain at times just like Nadal. That's a part of being a world class athlete although it is not pretty at times. The term "blood, sweat and tears" is what every athlete has come to accept. His tone in this interview makes it sound like he thinks no other player suffered like Nadal or dealt with physical issues.
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Nadal has been more unlucky than most players though with these issues.
Having a genetic bone disorder isn’t exactly ideal. But yes it isn’t only Nadal.
 
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Sabratha said:
I'm the same way with caffeine.. but it's cola that has done it to me. Every day I have to drink at least a couple of glasses of cola or I get bad headaches and feel sluggish...

I too wish I could drop it. The best I've done so far is switch from full sugar cola over to no sugar. I still get the caffeine hit I need and don't have the huge influx of sugar that accompanies it.
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You'll need to lower the dosage of Coke slowly.

You could have decaf which has caffeine but lower amounts. I am thinking of decaf but it is expensive in my place.
 
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Gary Duane said:
Exactly, Ann. I had migraine headaches for 45 years. They stopped suddenly when I stopped caffeine in 2013. Because of all those years of pain I can stand pain that most other people can't handle. I broke my skapula two weeks and two days ago (shoulder blade), right side, ended up in an ER getting X-rays. They gave me a morphine tablet and two percocets, then sent him home with a script for more percocets. For those who don't know, percocets are oxycodone with ibruprofen, and oxycodone is behind uncontrolled substance abuse. They told me to do nothing for 6-8 weeks, use a sling, stay immobile. I'm back to typing, back to playing the piano in just over two weeks and started running again last night, been walking at least a couple miles for a full week.

You can do a lot with just plain determination and will power.

I'm not saying that Nadal's problems are not exaggerated, but I give him credit for hanging in there, and I'd wager he can take pain that would defeat most people - and perhaps this is true of all great athletes.

I never filled the percocet prescription, and I've only been taking minimum anti-inflamatories to speed up healing.
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That's interesting about caffeine and your headaches. When I was younger, every time I drank tea or coffee I would always get a headache. I stopped drinking coffee or tea since.

But funny thing is if I drink Coke I don't get headache.

So perhaps it's not the caffeine in the coffe or tea that gave me headache from drinking them????
 
Gary Duane

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Tennease said:
That's interesting about caffeine and your headaches. When I was younger, every time I drank tea or coffee I would always get a headache. I stopped drinking coffee or tea since.

But funny thing is if I drink Coke I don't get headache.

So perhaps it's not the caffeine in the coffe or tea that gave me headache from drinking them????
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Who knows...

It's all so complicated. But for me it was like day and night. Stopped caffeine, migraines stopped. Now I ask myself if I could have solved this at age 19. If so I suffered for decades for no reason other than ignorance.
 
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I have a congenital left foot defect which I bet is very similar to Nadal. I use an orthotic plate to balance it out and it definitely bothers my knee some but I can play every day on clay pain free. A couple of hard court matches and I'm limping everywhere. The problem is mainly due to the traction difference when twisting your foot. On clay your shoe can freely rotate when you twist your knee. On gritty hard courts, there's way more resistance which bothers my foot and knee very quickly.
 
Gary Duane

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125downthemiddle said:
I've had cluster headaches. Look that sh*t up. It's a good thing I didn't have a gun on hand because I definitely would have killed myself.
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No joke, I thought about it a few times. In fact, I got the drugs to make it bearable because I told a doctor that if someone did not give me something to dull the pain, I was probably going to off myself. That was right around age 30, when they reached their absolute worst. I could have been Baker acted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act

Fortunately the doctor believed me and prescribed some things that made it bearable. Worse pain I have ever felt. My broken shoulder reached that level of pain for maybe a couple hours, in other words not nearly as bad as one of those headaches from hell.
 
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