Top 10 of This Era Head-to-Head...Interesting?

[RaulRamirez]

Tough crowd - not that I didn't know this already.

You can consider this list "cherry-picking", but I didn't know what the numbers would be going into this, and I don't think that a small edge over the others is a huge deal, and each of The Big 3 had similar winning percentages.
You can call this list imperfect, and it is, though it does tell a story or two.
Honest Question: Who would you choose as, say, 7 or 8 other players who were consistent Top 10 during the last 10-12 years? My original choices were, as you saw, Murray, Stan, Delpo, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych and Hewitt...and then recalculated for Roddick. (Both Hewitt and Roddick may have been a little early, and perhaps, Cilic is too "late.")

More generally, most of us have our favorite players - whether by style of play, personality or some other factor(s). That's part of sports. But anyone who doesn't respect and admire each member of The Big 3 should be following another sport.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Tough crowd - not that I didn't know this already.

You can consider this list "cherry-picking", but I didn't know what the numbers would be going into this, and I don't think that a small edge over the others is a huge deal, and each of The Big 3 had similar winning percentages.
You can call this list imperfect, and it is, though it does tell a story or two.
Honest Question: Who would you choose as, say, 7 or 8 other players who were consistent Top 10 during the last 10-12 years? My original choices were, as you saw, Murray, Stan, Delpo, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych and Hewitt...and then recalculated for Roddick. (Both Hewitt and Roddick may have been a little early, and perhaps, Cilic is too "late.")

More generally, most of us have our favorite players - whether by style of play, personality or some other factor(s). That's part of sports. But anyone who doesn't respect and admire each member of The Big 3 should be following another sport.

Big4 dominated anyone, there's no need to choose.

 

[CYGS]

Tough crowd - not that I didn't know this already.

You can consider this list "cherry-picking", but I didn't know what the numbers would be going into this, and I don't think that a small edge over the others is a huge deal, and each of The Big 3 had similar winning percentages.
You can call this list imperfect, and it is, though it does tell a story or two.
Honest Question: Who would you choose as, say, 7 or 8 other players who were consistent Top 10 during the last 10-12 years? My original choices were, as you saw, Murray, Stan, Delpo, Ferrer, Tsonga, Berdych and Hewitt...and then recalculated for Roddick. (Both Hewitt and Roddick may have been a little early, and perhaps, Cilic is too "late.")

More generally, most of us have our favorite players - whether by style of play, personality or some other factor(s). That's part of sports. But anyone who doesn't respect and admire each member of The Big 3 should be following another sport.

Tough crowd because your stats didn't show Fed is GOAT. They'll accept nothing less than what they want to hear.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Tough crowd because your stats didn't show Fed is GOAT. They'll accept nothing less than what they want to hear.

That's part of it. I think each of the 3 has plenty of diehard fans, but it seems as if the Fed brigade is either the largest or the most rabid (and dismissive) contingent.
My general "GOAT" opinion is that there is very little difference among the 3, achievements-wise. Fed has the strongest case but he also has 5 years on Rafa and 6 on Novak. To his credit, he is still playing remarkably well at age 37...and possibly even beyond...which will make it tough for some of his records to be eclipsed.

 

[FiReFTW]

The interesting part is how Rafa is not better considering he is the most dominant player by far on 1 surface (clay) and near unbeatable there.

It shows that Rafa is not as versatile and great on other surfaces apart from clay.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Del Potro but no Cilic?

 

[tennis_pro]

Why I'm not surprised that the Federer fanboys have their "own" stats. Lol

20 Slams. Now go try to spin it around so that Nadal has more.

 

[CYGS]

20 Slams. Now go try to spin it around so that Nadal has more.

minus the first 12 weak era slams, then 17>8. Boom, there you go.

 

[RaulRamirez]

The interesting part is how Rafa is not better considering he is the most dominant player by far on 1 surface (clay) and near unbeatable there.

It shows that Rafa is not as versatile and great on other surfaces apart from clay.

Everyone knows that clay is (by a good margin) Rafa's best surface, but I think that his winning 6 slams and many other titles outside of clay -- with a winning percentage between 77 and 78% on both hard court and grass -- shows he is still quite good on those surfaces.

 

[tennis_pro]

minus the first 12 weak era slams, then 17>8. Boom, there you go.

Yeah weak era with Nadal in his best years on clay and grass, TRUE

Now let's talk about 2015.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

minus the first 12 weak era slams, then 17>8. Boom, there you go.

But RAFA was part of the weak era

 

[CYGS]

But RAFA was a part of the weak era

Where Baby Rafa owned Peak Fed.

 

[CYGS]

Yeah weak era with Nadal in his best years on clay and grass, TRUE

Now let's talk about 2015.

Nadal pre-prime still dominated Peak Fed. VERY TRUE.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Where Baby Rafa owned Peak Fed.

Clay is always in weak era

 

[CYGS]

Clay is always in weak era

At least you admitted Baby Rafa owned Peak Fed.

 

[Gulfo]

At least you admitted Baby Rafa owned Peak Fed.

You should admit the following:

Peak Fed > Peak Rafa

 

[tennis_pro]

Nadal pre-prime still dominated Peak Fed. VERY TRUE.

Yeah he lost 5 out of 7 times outside of clay and those were the most important 5 matches. Also got bageled on clay.

Got dominated, sure thing. 14 out of 25 matches on clay until Fed's 30th birthday.

 

[CYGS]

You should admit the following:

Peak Fed > Peak Rafa

Which isn't true.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

At least you admitted Baby Rafa owned Peak Fed.

Yeah, RAFA very lucky that there aren't any good clay couters

 

[CYGS]

Yeah he lost 5 out of 7 times outside of clay and those were the most important 5 matches. Also got bageled on clay.

Got dominated, sure thing. 14 out of 25 matches on clay until Fed's 30th birthday.

What's the h2h for those remaining 11 matches? What's your excuse this time?

 

[CYGS]

Yeah, RAFA very lucky that there aren't any good clay couters

Just as Fed was very lucky until Djokodal matured.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Just as Fed was very lucky until Djokodal matured.

Djokodal very lucky with allowed cheating...

 

[CYGS]

Djokodal very lucky with allowed cheating...

Followed Fed's example.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Followed Fed's example.

No, Chang's

 

[tennis_pro]

What's the h2h for those remaining 11 matches? What's your excuse this time?

eehmmm he won most of them?

Just as Fed was very lucky until Djokodal matured.

Yes Djokovic played so well against a 30-35 year old Federer. No chance for peak Fed.

lmao

 

[CYGS]

eehmmm he won most of them?

Yes Djokovic played so well against a 30-35 year old Federer. No chance for peak Fed.

lmao

6-5 on Grass & HC against Baby Rafa. Ain't exactly dominant. Peak Fed is overrated.

 

[tennis_pro]

6-5 on Grass & HC against Baby Rafa. Ain't exactly dominant. Peak Fed is overrated.

2008-2011 is not peak Federer. And in 2008 to early 2009 with small exceptions he actually played crap

 

[CYGS]

2008-2011 is not peak Federer. And in 2008 to early 2009 with small exceptions he actually played crap

Peak Fed was Baby Rafa's pigeon. Cherry picking his peak years ain't gonna change this fact.

 

[tennis_pro]

Peak Fed was Baby Rafa's pigeon. Cherry picking his peak years ain't gonna change this fact.

2007 baby Nadal at Wimbledon. Peak Nadal at Wimbledon since 2012.

 

[CYGS]

2007 baby Nadal at Wimbledon. Peak Nadal at Wimbledon since 2012.

If that helps you sleep at night.

 

[tennis_pro]

If that helps you sleep at night.

The competition just got tougher after 2011 in that Nadal couldn't even beat players like Darcis, Rosol and Brown. That's how tough it is now.

 

[CYGS]

The competition just got tougher after 2011 in that Nadal couldn't even beat players like Darcis, Rosol and Brown. That's how tough it is now.

Sleep tight.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

22-29 Federer vs 17-24 Nadal: 8-17
30-36 Federer vs 25-31 Nadal: 7-6

24-27 Federer vs 18-21 Murray: 2-6
28-31 Federer vs 22-25 Murray: 7-5
32-33 Federer vs 26-28 Murray: 5-0

 

[tennis_pro]

Sleep tight.

My bed has been very comfy all the way since I started watching tennis. How was your cave in the last 2 years?

 

[tennis_pro]

22-29 Federer vs 17-24 Nadal: 8-17
30-36 Federer vs 25-31 Nadal: 7-6

24-27 Federer vs 18-21 Murray: 2-6
28-31 Federer vs 22-25 Murray: 7-5
32-33 Federer vs 26-28 Murray: 5-0

Cherry picking level above 9000.

 

[Russeljones]

What is your starting year?

 

[Red Rick]

With too much time on my hands, I compiled the head-2-head records of the players who are likely considered the Top 10 of the Fed-Rafa-Novak era.

Here are the results, assuming my stats and math are accurate:

Djokovic: 173-82 (67.8%)
Nadal: 152-74 (67.4%)
Federer: 156-88 (63.9%)
Murray: 87-81 (51.8%)
DelPotro: 43-69 (38.4%)

Wawrinka: 47-89 (34.6%)
Ferrer: 50-85 (34.5%)
Tsonga: 33-70 (32%)
Berdych 45-104 (30.2%)
Hewitt 20-46 (30%)

Any surprises? Any conclusions to be drawn?

Berdych, Tsonga and Ferrer over Roddick.

You bloody animal

 

[Sport]

With too much time on my hands, I compiled the head-2-head records of the players who are likely considered the Top 10 of the Fed-Rafa-Novak era.

Here are the results, assuming my stats and math are accurate:

Djokovic: 173-82 (67.8%)
Nadal: 152-74 (67.4%)
Federer: 156-88 (63.9%)
Murray: 87-81 (51.8%)
DelPotro: 43-69 (38.4%)

Wawrinka: 47-89 (34.6%)
Ferrer: 50-85 (34.5%)
Tsonga: 33-70 (32%)
Berdych 45-104 (30.2%)
Hewitt 20-46 (30%)

Any surprises? Any conclusions to be drawn?

Hi Raul. Can you calculate the H2H record of the top 10 in Grand Slam matches alone? Thank you. I am almost sure Nadal leads there.

 

[ibbi]

Why is Hewitt on here? If you're going to put him you might as well have Roddick. Cilic, Gasquet, Monfils, any of these guys would be closer to being part of a top 10 of 'this' era.

 

[Steve0904]

20 Slams. Now go try to spin it around so that Nadal has more.

Moral winner?

 

[RaulRamirez]

Hi Raul. Can you calculate the H2H record of the top 10 in Grand Slam matches alone? Thank you. I am almost sure Nadal leads there.

Go for it: I don't have any special access to these stats.