Wawrinka is the most complete player of Modern Tennis.
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Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
He's an average mover.
FreeBird
Legend
You are acting ******. Nadal not moving was the reason that he won the third set.
Thanks for bringing Nadal in this thread. I wonder when will people learn to think beyond turdism.
jelle v
Hall of Fame
I think Wawinka's forehand is weaker than Djokovic's forehand. Also his movement is much weaker and his return of serve is mostly a push back slice ball.
Djokovic has his flaws too of course, but I think Djokovic is the more complete player to be honest.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
We have a winner.
Also - his game plan is relatively narrow and requires him to be in top form to excel whereas take players like Nadal, Djokovic or Federer and their game plans works against pretty much all other playing styles much more of the time than Wawrinka. (in-short, they suffer fewer losses to lower ranked players than their peers in-general)
Bukmeikara
Legend
How can someone be more complete player than the likes of Djokovic, Nadal and Federer who are in the all-time great list? Think for once with your heads.....
batz
G.O.A.T.
I have the King of Hyperbole on the phone for you - something about his crown.
Fed Kennedy
Legend
Return of serve. Big weakness. Love Stan. He would have lost to Roger in the final.
batz
G.O.A.T.
So Stan has a weakness when dealing with players who can't move? That would seem to be at odds with the assertions that he is the most complete player of the modern era and that he has no weaknesses.
tennis_hack
Banned
Wawrinka's weakness is his backhand. Because he hits it with one hand, it is a weakness by default.
Nadal has proven that the way to beat Wawrinka is to feed him balls that bounce 11ft into the air on his backhand corner.
Nadal has proven that the way to beat Wawrinka is to feed him balls that bounce 11ft into the air on his backhand corner.
Jeffrey573639
Semi-Pro
Wasn't he regarded as a mental midget for a long time?
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
I certainly don't think he is an average mover by any means. He covers the court extremely well, at least at this last AO he did. He played some exceptional defense against Djokovic in that 5th set. He is not Nadal, but he can motor around the court very well. Average movers would be guys like Berdych and Del Potro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=K6vPyWdyJHE#t=119
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
I honestly don't know what Freebird was trying to say, but really that 3rd set was a bona fide meltdown. I think Nadal won 30 points in that set and 18 of them came from Wawrinka's unforced errors. :shock:
Came here to say this. Other than that, no weakness indeed
Jeffrey573639
Semi-Pro
Wasn't Stan known for a long time as a mental midget and a serial choker?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Take another look. He falls short in a number of areas which is why he isn't racking up Majors.
Apart from the obvious and huge one -- movement, I've got another I noticed after starring at his strokes for some time and that may not be that obvious. His grips are so extreme (full Western on the forehand and full Eastern on the backhand topspin) that he not infrequently is forced to chip his return back on both sides. He seems to get stuck with the wrong grip or between the two, continental which he uses to slice. Partially as a result of this his return is on his average day not nearly as good as guys competing for titles week in and week out.
http://youtu.be/BL5g4em5Mx8
Mentally he isn't there either. Maybe the AO is a turning point or maybe the inexplicable loss of the 3rd set is more indicative of his usual mental state.
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Sentinel
Bionic Poster
If this was your deep thought, bhai mere, I wonder about the shallow ones
j/kLet's see Stan for the rest of the year before we go overboard with praise and projections.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Every player has a weakness. I'd go with Djokovic as his weaknesses are easier to hide in today's game. His are the least obvious --so/so at net, over-head, bad wind player.
tennis_hack
Banned
^People above say he is a bad returner because his extreme grips force him to get stuck in-between grips, and his movement is average.
This video demonstrates both negative traits perfectly;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tte1kUBDQM8#t=35
This video demonstrates both negative traits perfectly;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tte1kUBDQM8#t=35
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
If this was your deep thought, bhai mere, I wonder about the shallow ones
Let's see Stan for the rest of the year before we go overboard with praise and projections.
Oh Senti, you are so cruel !! Give our ExpensiveBird some slack :twisted:
Michael Lesbowicz
Banned
Djokovic is the King of Unforced Errors.
Someone who makes as many unforced errors as he does,
can not be considered complete.
kishnabe
Talk Tennis Guru
That was my opinion of him 3 years ago....he has made significant changes.
I don't think Stan is the most complete player of Modern Tennis. I believe Djokovic.....he the best baseliner since Agassi. Modern Tennis is just stick to the back and switching between offense and defense, with **** slice and **** volleys. A perfect example of Djokovic.
Manus Domini
Hall of Fame
Guy wins one major and has no weaknesses? :lol:
I thought the "Stan has GOAT backhand" thread was good. This takes the cake.
Stan is mentally weaker than Fed ever was (see 3rd set AO). He doesn't move as well as Fed or Rafa. He isn't as consistent as Rafa or Djoker (or Fed).
He was on fire. That was all. Stop trying to make Stan a god.
I thought the "Stan has GOAT backhand" thread was good. This takes the cake.
Stan is mentally weaker than Fed ever was (see 3rd set AO). He doesn't move as well as Fed or Rafa. He isn't as consistent as Rafa or Djoker (or Fed).
He was on fire. That was all. Stop trying to make Stan a god.
Fed_Djoker_Fan
Banned
All he did is consistently give a hard time to Djokovic.. I want to see how he fares against fit Nadal and Murray, before we have this conversation.
Fed_Djoker_Fan
Banned
True. The title is all about wawa. And then you mention Djoker in the op.. But how dare he mentions Nadal right? Turdism at its core
Nope, nadal overtakes him in MTO,On court coaching,time wasting and obviously acting qualities. These all the things are integral part of Tennis.
PrinceMoron
Legend
Did not make a dent on Murray at the Olympics.
If Wawrinka had peaked earlier at lets say maybe 22-24 years old, he would have had more time to improve his game, fitness, etc, he's a very complete player right now, his forehand and backhand are very strong and when he is ON they are devastating, his serve is huge when he's adrenalin gets going, his second serve is crazy when his in the zone, he's movement is good however he's no Djokovic or Nadal in terms of speed, he's forehand was not as good as it is today say about 3-4 years ago, he's a very complete player but not as complete as Federer and Djokovic, i just wished he peaked at a much younger age, then they'd probably be a BIG 5 these days
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Bump......
I still think he is more complete player than Djokovic.
I beg to differ. Whatever edge you give to Stan for the serve and overhead should be evened out by the massive advantage Djokovic has over him on return of serve.
Btw, Djokovic has won a higher % of service games and points than Stan has on serve in 2014.
rofl_copter3
Professional
Stan has the biggest game of all the current players, meaning most power per shot. When he is on there isn't a safe place to put the ball that he can't hurt you, but this style also has much less margin for error...
Fed Nadal Djokovic and Murray have been so consistent for so long (not so much for Murray currently) because they play risk vs. reward tennis and will just stay in a point and wait for an opportunity. Stan will rarely try to grind out a point that he falls behind in, and this tactic causes him to have these poor losses right along with the spectacular wins...
Fed Nadal Djokovic and Murray have been so consistent for so long (not so much for Murray currently) because they play risk vs. reward tennis and will just stay in a point and wait for an opportunity. Stan will rarely try to grind out a point that he falls behind in, and this tactic causes him to have these poor losses right along with the spectacular wins...
He absolutely bludgeons the ball. It's at the point where you cannot give him a look at a single shot. Roger was blitzed in the third set. He literally was just beat on every shot Wawrinka hit. It's incredible. On clay, he is a formidable foe to say the least. I think physically stronger players are going to be an evolution of the game. Federer looked like a child playing against a man.
droliver
Professional
He's always had the tools, has been hovering in the top 20 for years and he was one of the top juniors in the world a decade ago coming up. It's not like he has come out of nowhere as he's always been identified as a guy with the game to be a champion.
As has been said by many of the pros, there's not much separating most of the guys in the top 100. Stan's mental breakthough to the top 5 is proof positive of that.
As has been said by many of the pros, there's not much separating most of the guys in the top 100. Stan's mental breakthough to the top 5 is proof positive of that.
Blitzball
Professional
Yeah and I think Magnus Norman helped improve his forehand, which in turn fueled his mental drive. His big forehands are reminiscent of Norman's former pupil Soderling. It's a beauty to see when Stan's firing away.
The Anonymous Legend
Banned
Let him defeat Healthy Nadal first. LFMAO
Uh.... his forehand has always been good. It's been his movement that has been a massive issue. It no longer is.
furryballs
Banned
the stanimal at his best is as near unplayable as any player ever has been.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I agree, he is the greatest tanker of all times. Have we kept count of how many matches he has tanked out of generosity and altruism.
But when will that be ? Healthy Nadal is like Halley's comet. Has anyone discovered Healthy Nadal ?
I think the discoverer will get a Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Healthy Nadalium is a very unstable element and immediately decomposes into Unhealthy Nadalium in a few nanoseconds.
SLD76
G.O.A.T.
I agree, he is the greatest tanker of all times. Have we kept count of how many matches he has tanked out of generosity and altruism.
But when will that be ? Healthy Nadal is like Halley's comet. Has anyone discovered Healthy Nadal ?
I think the discoverer will get a Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Healthy Nadalium is a very unstable element and immediately decomposes into Unhealthy Nadalium in a few nanoseconds.
Lmao..my thought exactly, when is Nadal ever healthy? It's as rare as that blood moon we had last week.
mbm0912
Hall of Fame
Stan is a better player than Andy Murray.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe. He doesn't seem too quick out there but he hides it well.
I was thinking the other day. Why is Wawrinka better than Tommy Hass? Hass has all his shots but is fast on his feet. Perhaps it's the serve and mind.
I was thinking the other day. Why is Wawrinka better than Tommy Hass? Hass has all his shots but is fast on his feet. Perhaps it's the serve and mind.
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Omega_7000
Legend
He's not an average mover...Maybe not as good as Ralph, Djokovic and Fed but definitely not average. He's improved a lot in thsi department.
His weakness is return of serve and consistency.
His weakness is return of serve and consistency.
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
his problem is that when he has a "down", there's nothing really keeping him the game. nadal has an incredible defense and will, djokovic has a great consistency and federer a serve.
I often feel that when wawrinka isn't exactly showing his best, he can be beaten by many top players.
I often feel that when wawrinka isn't exactly showing his best, he can be beaten by many top players.
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