What's happening w/ Tsitsipas?

[prairiegirl]

Maybe it's nothing, like a brief lull in an otherwise good year, but this is the 2nd Masters in a row he's gone out in the first round. Pushed back in the rankings now to either 7 or 8, but it seems as if Medvedev will pass him now. What do you think?

 

[EllieK]

Medvedev would have beaten him in the next round anyway but he needs some work on his serve for sure. I dont want to take anything away from Struff who played exceptionally well. His serve was top notch and he was painting the lines with his ground strokes. He deserved the win

 

[Red Rick]

He's just simply not that good

 

[icedevil0289]

when was his last decent tournament, rg?

 

[heninfan99]

Haning with Kyrgios too mcuh

 

[Yugram]

Spends too much time on twitter reading philosophical bullsheet quotes.

 

[Fedforever]

It's my fault. I was beginning to think he was the one most likely to break through. It's going as well as my prediction that Lendl would turn Zverev into a slam winner.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Shoelaces issues

 

[The Green Mile]

Nothing much IMO, these guys will never have the game or consistency as the bigger names, a couple of early round losses isn't anything to get worried about.

 

[kevin qmto]

Have you seen his cringeworthy social media posts and photos? That’s a large enough distraction/obsession to mess up anyone’s game.

 

[Breakpointerer]

Spends too much time on twitter reading philosophical bullsheet quotes.

Before borrowing them and acting like he was the one who came up with them

 

[Mainad]

He definitely needs a new coach who is willing to travel with him (not the occasional part-timers that so many seem to be today eg. Moya). His dad needs to take a back seat and let somebody more professional in. Most players who are coached solely or mainly by parents tend to quickly reach a plateau and then progress no further. Tsitsipas doesn't want to end up as one of those. Ditto Shapovalov.

 

[EllieK]

He definitely needs a new coach who is willing to travel with him (not the occasional part-timers that so many seem to be today eg. Moya). His dad needs to take a back seat and let somebody more professional in. Most players who are coached solely or mainly by parents tend to quickly reach a plateau and then progress no further. Tsitsipas doesn't want to end up as one of those. Ditto Shapovalov.

Agree 100% although he does train at Morataglou (sp) academy.

 

[CiscoPC600]

Overall he's having a good year still, we can't hold him to the GOAT(s) standards of constant A+ performances. Could he improve? Sure. Get off social media including YouTube vlogging which is time consuming and get a new full-time coach to give you fresh perspective.

But I'm not worried. I don't think he'll be a bust or one-hit wonder like other NextGens.

 

[albertobra]

It's happening the same thing to those that have won NextGen finals and Masters finals in the last couple of years.

 

[EllieK]

Maybe it's nothing, like a brief lull in an otherwise good year, but this is the 2nd Masters in a row he's gone out in the first round. Pushed back in the rankings now to either 7 or 8, but it seems as if Medvedev will pass him now. What do you think?

I think medvedev is the better player right now and should pass him. Stefanos is not going to like this and hopefully will be more motivated to improve.

 

[prairiegirl]

He definitely needs a new coach who is willing to travel with him (not the occasional part-timers that so many seem to be today eg. Moya). His dad needs to take a back seat and let somebody more professional in. Most players who are coached solely or mainly by parents tend to quickly reach a plateau and then progress no further. Tsitsipas doesn't want to end up as one of those. Ditto Shapovalov.

Agree 100%

 

[CiscoPC600]

I think medvedev is the better player right now and should pass him. Stefanos is not going to like this and hopefully will be more motivated to improve.

For right now, sure. Overall higher ceiling: Tsitipas. Already has wins over each of the GOATS. Mevdev only has one win and against Djok.

 

[mightyrick]

For right now, sure. Overall higher ceiling: Tsitipas. Already has wins over each of the GOATS. Mevdev only has one win and against Djok.

The thing is, winning over the Big-3 is not the goal. That actually might be the reason that these nextgen players are losing so much. Such huge pressure from fanboys and the media to "beat the Big-3".

Perhaps, just maybe, these players need to focus on the long game. Improve the fundamentals. Improve focus. Improve consistency. Take small steps now which will pay big dividends later. PLAY THE LONG GAME.

You look at Tsitsipas, Zverev, Aliassime, Shapovalov etc... and they seem to be reaching for conquering the Big-3...instead of focusing on how to hold their form. How to peak at the right time. How to build momentum. How to sustain level.

And then you look at someone like Medvedev. Hated by most on this board. Why? Because he's slowly developing. He isn't flashy. But he's slowly showing improvement year-over-year. He is focused and humble. He is progressing slowly and naturally. He is working on consistency. Working on focus. Working on his game. He is not taking the same path as most of his cohorts. Slow but sure.

And that's why I think Medvedev will win the race. I truly think think is a case of "turtle beating the hare".

 

[Rafa.the.Magnificent]

Nothing much IMO, these guys will never have the game or consistency as the bigger names, a couple of early round losses isn't anything to get worried about.

Agreed. Tsitsipas has a very good game with variety to boot. Unless he starts down a real losing streak, I think he’ll be fine and continue to improve over the next year.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Haning with Kyrgios too mcuh

 

[MeatTornado]

I voted for something off-court.

Not that I think there's a problem at home necessarily. Just that maybe he's not 100% focused like he needs to be. He's shown some great peaks, but true top level play requires focus 11 months per year and that can be a tough adjustment. Maybe too much time on social media, maybe complacency after reaching the top tier of the sport and not focusing on improving as much as he should. Idk, but his game is better than he's been showing lately, so I think it has to be mental.

 

[MugOpponent]

He's turned into a ******** Greek.

 

[BeatlesFan]

He's just simply not that good

Wish I could like this, RR!

 

[tennis24x7]

The thing is, winning over the Big-3 is not the goal. That actually might be the reason that these nextgen players are losing so much. Such huge pressure from fanboys and the media to "beat the Big-3".

Perhaps, just maybe, these players need to focus on the long game. Improve the fundamentals. Improve focus. Improve consistency. Take small steps now which will pay big dividends later. PLAY THE LONG GAME.

You look at Tsitsipas, Zverev, Aliassime, Shapovalov etc... and they seem to be reaching for conquering the Big-3...instead of focusing on how to hold their form. How to peak at the right time. How to build momentum. How to sustain level.

And then you look at someone like Medvedev. Hated by most on this board. Why? Because he's slowly developing. He isn't flashy. But he's slowly showing improvement year-over-year. He is focused and humble. He is progressing slowly and naturally. He is working on consistency. Working on focus. Working on his game. He is not taking the same path as most of his cohorts. Slow but sure.

And that's why I think Medvedev will win the race. I truly think think is a case of "turtle beating the hare".

Unless he can have a backhand like Stanimal, Nadal and Djoker will wear him out.

 

[EllieK]

The thing is, winning over the Big-3 is not the goal. That actually might be the reason that these nextgen players are losing so much. Such huge pressure from fanboys and the media to "beat the Big-3".

Perhaps, just maybe, these players need to focus on the long game. Improve the fundamentals. Improve focus. Improve consistency. Take small steps now which will pay big dividends later. PLAY THE LONG GAME.

You look at Tsitsipas, Zverev, Aliassime, Shapovalov etc... and they seem to be reaching for conquering the Big-3...instead of focusing on how to hold their form. How to peak at the right time. How to build momentum. How to sustain level.

And then you look at someone like Medvedev. Hated by most on this board. Why? Because he's slowly developing. He isn't flashy. But he's slowly showing improvement year-over-year. He is focused and humble. He is progressing slowly and naturally. He is working on consistency. Working on focus. Working on his game. He is not taking the same path as most of his cohorts. Slow but sure.

And that's why I think Medvedev will win the race. I truly think think is a case of "turtle beating the hare".

Medvedev is winning right now for the reasons you stated but look what happened against Nadal last week. Medvedev was the clear best player of the tournament and yet was handed a breadstick in the second and went down in straights. He almost choked against Khachanov also. He himself used those words. He has work to do on his focus and closing out matches. His personal life is steady and that has helped him mature

 

[EllieK]

I voted for something off-court.

Not that I think there's a problem at home necessarily. Just that maybe he's not 100% focused like he needs to be. He's shown some great peaks, but true top level play requires focus 11 months per year and that can be a tough adjustment. Maybe too much time on social media, maybe complacency after reaching the top tier of the sport and not focusing on improving as much as he should. Idk, but his game is better than he's been showing lately, so I think it has to be mental.

He is at his best when he is upset with himself. Hopefully these early exits will make him furious.

 

[mightyrick]

Medvedev is winning right now for the reasons you stated but look what happened against Nadal last week. Medvedev was the clear best player of the tournament and yet was handed a breadstick in the second and went down in straights. He almost choked against Khachanov also. He himself used those words. He has work to do on his focus and closing out matches. His personal life is steady and that has helped him mature

No question about it. However, he admitted the same thing you said. He said that the Big-3 guys have something "we" (nextgen) don't have. And he said how he is working hard to build that special thing that they have. It sounds to me like he's on the right track.

All I know is that he's putting himself in the position to play the Big-3 over and over again now. Going deep into tournaments. Giving himself more chances. Gaining that critical experience. Learning how to hold his form and maintain a steady level. He's doing the right things.

I'm not so sure I can say the same thing about any other nextgen players.

 

[CiscoPC600]

The thing is, winning over the Big-3 is not the goal. That actually might be the reason that these nextgen players are losing so much. Such huge pressure from fanboys and the media to "beat the Big-3".

Perhaps, just maybe, these players need to focus on the long game. Improve the fundamentals. Improve focus. Improve consistency. Take small steps now which will pay big dividends later. PLAY THE LONG GAME.

You look at Tsitsipas, Zverev, Aliassime, Shapovalov etc... and they seem to be reaching for conquering the Big-3...instead of focusing on how to hold their form. How to peak at the right time. How to build momentum. How to sustain level.

And then you look at someone like Medvedev. Hated by most on this board. Why? Because he's slowly developing. He isn't flashy. But he's slowly showing improvement year-over-year. He is focused and humble. He is progressing slowly and naturally. He is working on consistency. Working on focus. Working on his game. He is not taking the same path as most of his cohorts. Slow but sure.

And that's why I think Medvedev will win the race. I truly think think is a case of "turtle beating the hare".

I didn't say beating the big three was the goal. I pointed it out because it's a good indicator of raw talent. Tsitipas is improving as well, so I'm not sure what you mean about slow improvement with Danii.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Haning with Kyrgios too mcuh

 

[EllieK]

No question about it. However, he admitted the same thing you said. He said that the Big-3 guys have something "we" (nextgen) don't have. And he said how he is working hard to build that special thing that they have. It sounds to me like he's on the right track.

All I know is that he's putting himself in the position to play the Big-3 over and over again now. Going deep into tournaments. Giving himself more chances. Gaining that critical experience. Learning how to hold his form and maintain a steady level. He's doing the right things.

I'm not so sure I can say the same thing about any other nextgen players.

Too true. He's the most consistent right now

 

[acintya]

they are all the same

 

[Sparlingo]

The next gen finals should be interesting with the bigger names all seemingly in a slump, a competition to see who loses in the most spectacular fashion perhaps? Maybe the should bend the rules a little and allow Zverev back in to make the competition to lose even more interesting.