When will we stop making fun of Berdych?

RF-18

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QFist in AO this year, QF in FO, and now QF in Wimbledon with the chance of making it even better.

He has an additional 2 SFs and three more QFs at AO. In FO he has 2 QFS and one SF. At Wimbledon he has three QFS and one final. At USO he has one SF and one QF. 1 masters titles and finals, multiple QFS and SFS.

Career high no 4 in the rankings. SFs in WTFs etc.

I Wonder when he will get the credit he deserves other than being called a mug, worst top 10 player (not even close), etc.
 
Raindogs

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The recent bageling by Goffin should ensure that the jokes keep coming for a good while yet.
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ibbi

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When he shows something like a consistent ability to compete with the guys above him in the rankings. He seems like a really nice guy, and he has certainly worked on his game over the years, but it's just boring now.

We could have had a really interesting, potentially exciting match up between two young guns in the next round, and now instead we'll see Berdych (probably:D) come through tomorrow, and then proceed to **** his pants when he comes up against (probably:D:D) Murray on Friday.

When he took his hat off, beat Rafa in Australia last year, and then took the first set off of Murray in the semi it looked like the time might have arrived. Then he just reverted to type.
 
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RF-18 said:
QFist in AO this year, QF in FO, and now QF in Wimbledon with the chance of making it even better.

He has an additional 2 SFs and three more QFs at AO. In FO he has 2 QFS and one SF. At Wimbledon he has three QFS and one final. At USO he has one SF and one QF. 1 masters titles and finals, multiple QFS and SFS.

Career high no 4 in the rankings. SFs in WTFs etc.

I Wonder when he will get the credit he deserves other than being called a mug, worst top 10 player (not even close), etc.
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He is this eras Nalbandian. WOW.
 
TheMusicLover

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Raindogs said:
The recent bageling by Goffin should ensure that the jokes keep coming for a good while yet.
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I trust David to keep us provided in the near future. :D

Seriously though, ND-14 has a good point: Berdych is one of the most consistent players around, for over a decade, and usually always manages to make up for his seeding.
The guy surely deserves credits for that.
 
RF-18

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NatF said:
Please don't insult Nalbandian. Nalbandian achieved more than Berdych with about 50% of the dedication ;)
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I don''t believe that is an insult to Nalbandian. Berdych is a terrific player one of the most consistent top 10 player ever.
 
NatF

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RF-18 said:
I don''t believe that is an insult to Nalbandian. Berdych is a terrific player one of the most consistent top 10 player ever.
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That was tongue and cheek. Learn to read the room ;)

Besides that I do believe general conditions aid consistency. All players seem to be more consistent now than before - relative to his era Berdych isn't particularly special IMO. He should have been replaced by the next gen years ago.
 
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TupeloDanger

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Berdych is just another symptom of the disease that is becoming the death of tennis.

Just like in any other era since the early 80's, the top guys would have been surmounted by the younger generation well before their 30's, likewise the also-rans should have been relegated to irrelevance by younger also-rans. But with no real junior talent being developed any longer, the second-tier guys can hold on forever just like the top guys. If they desire it, this 30-something generation ought to be able to hold on and compile until middle age, just like the Laver, Gonzalez, Rosewall generation. And for the same reason -- no real competition, because of no real interest in the sport among young athletes.

But all things considered, Berdych is okay. He's not a real talent, but a good, solid pro, the likes of which you need to stuff the ranks in order to make a tournament a worthwhile spectacle. Got to give the Federers and Djokovics something to do to pass the time on the way to titles.
 
prostaff1

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NatF said:
That was tongue and cheek. Learn to read the room ;)

Besides that I do believe general conditions aid consistency. All players seem to be more consistent now than before - relative to his era Berdych isn't particularly special IMO. He should have been replaced by the next gen years ago.
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The fact that he hasn't been replaced by them EXACTLY proves that he IS special. Never been out of top 10 since July 2010. Over 550 career wins. Did Nalbandian achieve that?

Good post OP.
 
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Shaolin said:
Berdych will soon roll over like the good lapdog he is. As long as someone has even a slightly higher ranking he'll give up immediately.
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I still fear him as a Fed fan. Against Djokovic or Murray he is a paper tiger, or more like a paper koala.
 
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prostaff1 said:
The fact that he hasn't been replaced by them EXACTLY proves that he IS special. Never been out of top 10 since July 2010. Over 550 career wins. Did Nalbandian achieve that?

Good post OP.
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Nonsense. An entire generation of players has failed to produce a player better than the second tier players of the last generations, clearly something is a miss.

Berdych has an extra year in the top 10 and more career wins. Nalbandian has an extra masters and a YEC. If your criteria for evaluating a players career is years in the top 10 and career wins I would like to see your GOAT list ;)
 
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Tenez!

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Look at birdman go!

He scored 30 points in this match, 14 of which where in the last 3 games.
Yes, he scored 16 points in the first 11 games.

Which, mind you, is still better than the infamous loss to Goffin, where he scored 15 points in 12 games.
 
prostaff1

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NatF said:
Nonsense. An entire generation of players has failed to produce a player better than the second tier players of the last generations, clearly something is a miss.

Berdych has an extra year in the top 10 and more career wins. Nalbandian has an extra masters and a YEC. If your criteria for evaluating a players career is years in the top 10 and career wins I would like to see your GOAT list ;)
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How you can discount the fact that a player (Berdych) remains healthy enough to remain in the top 10 and amass so many career wins in singles (having to contend with 3 of the greatest all time players) says a lot about your powers of evaluation.
 
NatF

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prostaff1 said:
How you can discount the fact that a player (Berdych) remains healthy enough to remain in the top 10 and amass so many career wins in singles (having to contend with 3 of the greatest all time players) says a lot about your powers of evaluation.
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Who's discounting anything? I've said I think Nalbandian was better. You're the ignoramus who's taken offence to that.

Berdych has been a long time also ran, fantastic player of course but his achievements hardly place him in a position of no reproach when compared to other top achieving slam-less players. He's been consistent, props for that but he's been mostly consistent at going deep and losing meekly the last couple of years.
 
ScentOfDefeat

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TupeloDanger said:
Berdych is just another symptom of the disease that is becoming the death of tennis.

Just like in any other era since the early 80's, the top guys would have been surmounted by the younger generation well before their 30's, likewise the also-rans should have been relegated to irrelevance by younger also-rans. But with no real junior talent being developed any longer, the second-tier guys can hold on forever just like the top guys. If they desire it, this 30-something generation ought to be able to hold on and compile until middle age, just like the Laver, Gonzalez, Rosewall generation. And for the same reason -- no real competition, because of no real interest in the sport among young athletes.

But all things considered, Berdych is okay. He's not a real talent, but a good, solid pro, the likes of which you need to stuff the ranks in order to make a tournament a worthwhile spectacle. Got to give the Federers and Djokovics something to do to pass the time on the way to titles.
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I really like your posts. We share a lot of the same conclusions about current tennis.
 
prostaff1

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NatF said:
Who's discounting anything? I've said I think Nalbandian was better. You're the ignoramus who's taken offence to that.

Berdych has been a long time also ran, fantastic player of course but his achievements hardly place him in a position of no reproach when compared to other top achieving slam-less players. He's been consistent, props for that but he's been mostly consistent at going deep and losing meekly the last couple of years.
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If you feel superior by calling me names for no reason, knock yourself out. Further, I haven't taken offense to anything. But you clearly discounted weeks in the top 10 and careers wins in your post #15 of this very thread.

If Nalbandian and others who have good results for a shorter period of time impress you, so be it.
 
tennisaddict

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After seeing the likes of Nishikori, Thiem, Kyrgios, Tomic, Dmitrov, Vesely flame out repeatedly , I think we have to go easy on Berdych and Ferrer.

The fight shown by Berdych was so impressive and he wanted to win. Contrast that with Kyrgios who did not want to be there the moment he lost set 1. I don't think Berdych or Ferrer EVER threw in the towel.
 
skip1969

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i respect anyone who earns a healthy living hitting a ball over a net.

berd looks brilliant when he's on . . . but when he's off . . . yikes. nevertheless, his strokes are good, i think his backhand is sweeeet. and he's got great legs. i've always had berdych leg envy.

he's never really gotten over the hurdle of fed, nadal, and djokovic . . . but not many have. there's no shame in that. the tour has been dominated by superworldy talent for the last decade. and tw has spent the last decade crapping on anyone and everyone outside the big three. so in that sense, he's in good company.
 
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skip1969 said:
i respect anyone who earns a healthy living hitting a ball over a net.

berd looks brilliant when he's on . . . but when he's off . . . yikes. nevertheless, his strokes are good, i think his backhand is sweeeet. and he's got great legs. i've always had berdych leg envy.

he's never really gotten over the hurdle of fed, nadal, and djokovic . . . but not many have. there's no shame in that. the tour has been dominated by superworldy talent for the last decade. and tw has spent the last decade crapping on anyone and everyone outside the big three. so in that sense, he's in good company.
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Mainad

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NatF said:
Please don't insult Nalbandian. Nalbandian achieved more than Berdych with about 50% of the dedication ;)
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It's interesting that each of their only Slam finals took place at Wimbledon where both of them lost in straight sets but Berdych at least won twice as many games as did Nalbandian, so he comes out slightly ahead there. He also currently holds 1 more title (12 v 11) but of course 3 of Nalbandian's include a WTF and 2 Masters vs 1 Masters for Berdych.
 
Soul_Evisceration

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The day that he stops acting like a cheerleader and bows down to their masters when he faces Top Players and wins something noteworthy then we can reconsider our status for the guy.

Until then, he will always remain as one of the biggest losers in recent times.
 
NatF

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prostaff1 said:
If you feel superior by calling me names for no reason, knock yourself out. Further, I haven't taken offense to anything. But you clearly discounted weeks in the top 10 and careers wins in your post #15 of this very thread.

If Nalbandian and others who have good results for a shorter period of time impress you, so be it.
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You questioned my powers of evaluation first buddy so get off that high horse.

I questioned the weight of those metrics in relation to the more big titles Nalbandian has won. Again Berdych only has one extra year inside the top 10 anyway so far - though his total weeks are probably a lot higher.
 
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tennisaddict said:
After seeing the likes of Nishikori, Thiem, Kyrgios, Tomic, Dmitrov, Vesely flame out repeatedly , I think we have to go easy on Berdych and Ferrer.

The fight shown by Berdych was so impressive and he wanted to win. Contrast that with Kyrgios who did not want to be there the moment he lost set 1. I don't think Berdych or Ferrer EVER threw in the towel.
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With the exception of the strange and still unexplained double bagel at this year's Rome Masters, Berdych is generally a grafter and hard worker who has maintained his top 10 ranking for more than half a decade. He consistently goes deep into tournaments including the Slams but has little to show for it in the way of titles. Nonetheless, he is still streets ahead of the so-called Young Guns who would do well if they could learn to become half as consistent as he has been for most of his career. For his talents and game potential he has almost certainly been an under-achiever and I wonder why he has never found the right coach to help toughen him up mentally when he gets to semis and finals. Perhaps he is just too stubborn and set in his ways to accept good advice?
 
tennisaddict

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Mainad said:
With the exception of the strange and still unexplained double bagel at this year's Rome Masters, Berdych is generally a grafter and hard worker who has maintained his top 10 ranking for more than half a decade. He consistently goes deep into tournaments including the Slams but has little to show for it in the way of titles. Nonetheless, he is still streets ahead of the so-called Young Guns who would do well if they could learn to become half as consistent as he has been for most of his career. For his talents and game potential he has almost certainly been an under-achiever and I wonder why he has never found the right coach to help toughen him up mentally when he gets to semis and finals. Perhaps he is just too stubborn and set in his ways to accept good advice?
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Like Roddick, I think Berdych also has had wrong coaches.

Both would have benefited from a coach with a more attacking mindset. Instead they settled for a consistent top 10 which is sad.
 
prostaff1

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It's pretty ironic you think I questioned your powers of evaluation first when your first response to my post was the following:

"If your criteria for evaluating a players career is years in the top 10 and career wins I would like to see your GOAT list ;)"

It's clear are not self-aware or perceptive, so wasting my time with a feeble competitor is boring. You have been wrong at every turn and anyone who reads this thread cannot dispute this. You have lost this time thoroughly, but don't worry, there will be other opportunities. Just not against me ;)

And I absolutely would include years in the top 10 and career wins as major factor in determining how successful a player's career was.

You are dismissed.
 
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ibbi said:
Wow, when did Berdych hang out with Safin, Djokovic, and Sampras? These are all multi grand slam champions. Big company.
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Maybe he is always hoping that some of their magic will finally rub off on him? ;)
 
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I don't like him. He has always played his best against Federer but when Nadal has shown up, he has generally played like crap.
 
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He's the Christopher Walken of tennis. Only prescription is more cowbell.
 
Mr.Lob

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Don't know why anyone would want to make fun of Berdy. He goes as far as his talent allows. He's the modern day Lendl playing amongst 3 goats and a semi-goat.
 
NatF

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prostaff1 said:
It's pretty ironic you think I questioned your powers of evaluation first when your first response to my post was the following:

"If your criteria for evaluating a players career is years in the top 10 and career wins I would like to see your GOAT list ;)"

It's clear are not self-aware or perceptive, so wasting my time with a feeble competitor is boring. You have been wrong at every turn and anyone who reads this thread cannot dispute this. You have lost this time thoroughly, but don't worry, there will be other opportunities. Just not against me ;)

And I absolutely would include years in the top 10 and career wins as major factor in determining how successful a player's career was.

You are dismissed.
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You're full of it :D. And evidently can't take a bit of banter. But suite yourself. Feel free to bow out. Essentially all I've said was Nalbandian had a better career, you evidently prefer Berdych's. I have doubts that there would be a strong majority on this forum favouring Berdych - in the wider tennis world it's harder to call. Certainly saying anyone who reads this thread could not dispute how wrong I am is tosh.

Years in the top 10 is a good statistic but overall career wins is not particularly revealing without context - and both are clearly secondary to big titles I would say.
 
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