2019 RG QF: Federer vs Wawrinka

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Sysyphus

Sysyphus

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Fourth chance coming up.


If Fed's idea is to occasionally mess with Stan's rhythm, I'm all for it. Be unpredictable.


Denied again. Stan brought the goods there, can't deny it.
 
Raining hopes

Raining hopes

Hall of Fame
BrokenGears said:
Yes, I've watched the match. It had great rallies and was overall a fun match to watch

And Djokovic was sucking ass in 2016 AO before he played Fed, your point?

I simply have a problem with people claiming that the RG 2011 match somehow proved anything other than that Fed was still very capable of playing peak tennis against his opponents and how it showcases the closeness in the Fedovic rivalry
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Peak Fedovic will trade wins.
I will give Djokovic a slight edge.

But if you cannot see Novak played extremely well in 1st set and well enough in 3 and 4. You are blind.
2015 and 2016 were slightly worse than 2011 version of Novak.My opinion not a fact.

See Fred wasn't 2011 Nadal whose FH cross Djokovic could pounce on.Fraud used his BH slice and all court game to perfection. Some points here and there and Djokovic would have won.

No need to be this caught up.
 
veroniquem

veroniquem

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TennisFan3 said:
I wouldn't say Z. He's playing sub-par.
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I disagree. If Z gets a bit of confidence, he will be more dangerous than Thiem. Z is the only next gen capable of defeating the big 4 in a big event at the latest stages (despite all his recent struggles). He's beaten Djoko in Rome and WTF, he can do it again and handle Thiem. People talk about him like he will never make a slam final but I have no doubt he will and RG has been his best slam. (For the record, I am a fan of both Djoko and Z, will cheer for Djoko but know Z can pull the upset).
 
jimjam

jimjam

Professional
I'll hapilly take the 0/4 in BP conversion, in exchange for Fed playing this well for the entire match.

His game is on.
 
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BrokenGears

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abmk said:
he saved 21/25 BPs. got in 21/25 first serves on BPs.
how the f*** is that choking on important points on service games. On the contrary, he was very clutch on important points.
Djokovic won 60+% of 2nd serve points.

that is some absolute cr*p posting from you. Get back in the realm of reality.



you can't say the balls were a bigger factor than what I said either. So mention both or don't mention either. However both are non-negligible factors.



no, it cannot be used as a singular reason. But match was the closest you got prime to prime b/w them on RG.
It is 1 important data point in comparing their peak levels at RG.

another important data point is : Fed being able to hold off a zoning delpo in RG 2009, while djoko was not able to do the same vs a zoning Stan in RG 15.

one adv. for Novak is being able to take Nadal to 5 sets in 2013.

But overall, it could be argued on the basis of above that Fed's peak level at RG is better than Novak's.
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Literally lost breaks in first and last sets, with the last one being especially important, if that isn't choking I don't know what is. Overall yes, your right, but like how Fed could have hit a bigger serve or something else in USO 2011, Nole could have done something better as well

The balls were literally an assumable reason as to why Federer was able to go toe to toe with Novak. Even if it didn't matter, it's plenty telling what happened in RG 2012 with normal balls even if you say Fed was playing ass, and yes, the latter was a more important reason, but that doesn't eliminate the former

It's arguable sure 100%, but using the RG 2011 SF as the singular determiner is what's wrong, not the actual peak vs peak debate on RG
 
NoleFam

NoleFam

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I wish I could watch this. Ugh. Roger hasn't broken yet but still has the superior serve. How long can Wawrinka serve his way out of trouble?
 
mike danny

mike danny

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BrokenGears said:
Literally lost breaks in first and last sets, with the last one being especially important, if that isn't choking I don't know what is. Overall yes, your right, but like how Fed could have hit a bigger serve or something else in USO 2011, Nole could have done something better as well

The balls were literally an assumable reason as to why Federer was able to go toe to toe with Novak. Even if it didn't matter, it's plenty telling what happened in RG 2012 with normal balls even if you say Fed was playing ass, and yes, the latter was a more important reason, but that doesn't eliminate the former

It's arguable sure, but using the RG 2011 SF as the singular determiner is what's wrong, not the actual peak vs peak debate on RG
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Using 2012 RG is even more wrong since neither player was in form in that tournament.
 
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