After having watched a 1/3rd of the video, considering 2/3rds of it was the same point slow motion twice (worst video production ever made)
He can't even hit a winner past another kid while being inside the service line, how is he suppose to hit one against an adult?
Not to mention these are a selection of shots, so they are his best points he played. Anyone can have highlight reels spread over a couple of matches
1) A 500 a major tournament? Next you're going to tell me Tokyo is a major tournament and we all know how many Japanese are in the top 100, Kei Nishikori where are you?
2) Federer flies in his training partners, it's not like he's training with anyone who is actually from UAE
He plays tournaments and he doesn't win.
I really don't know why you think your friend would beat this kid!
Everyone is looking at this as 9 year old vs Adult and not thinking objectively.
You're thinking "I don't know, 9 year olds are pretty small and weak, any adult would beat them!"
Just watch his tournament play as if he were any other player. If you think that a 3.5 is going to beat him or even be competitive against him, you're delusional.
Just for the record, I'm not trying to make this a heated argument. Some of my posts sound a little confrontational, but I'm just trying to make my points. All in good fun!
Yeah, because a tournament where Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Andy Murray/Any other top 10 player has played is the same as Tokyo
I think he'd be a top 4.0 or low 4.5.
Just read this description for a 4.5
Starting to master the use of power and spins and beginning to handle pace, has sound footwork, can control depth of shots and is beginning to vary game plan according to opponents. Can hit first serves with power and accuracy and place the second serve. Tends to overhit on difficult shots. Aggressive net play is common in doubles.
You guys can say all you want, but you are not and haven't been 4.5 or 4.0 players....yet.
Once you achieve that moderate goal, you'll find you have played plenty of child prodigies, have the ways and the means to defeat LITTLE KIDS, and you won't think he's so great.
Can you imagine Kiteboard or Yaz, or Jolly fearing this little kid? NO CHANCE. They'd place the ball just out of reach, drop angle and shot, lob this shorty, and then hit a normal rally groundie for a winner when the kid realizes he's been TOYED with, not played against.
How can you, as 3.5's say he can beat a 4.0 or 4.5?
I've already mentioned some juniors I played who THE FOLLOWING year, were easy 5.5 MENS level. And I played them even....them being my regular practice partners.
This little kid doesn't hit hard enough to ever bother a top level 3.5.
just to get a feel for the NTRP system as we do not use it here, approximately what would this kid's ntrp rating be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GgBDIOv5gs&feature=related
cheers
Alright. I've had it.
If you think anyone under 4.5 could beat this kid, you're wrong. Plain and simple. Accept it.
Everyone that is arguing the kid would win provides real tangible arguments.
All arguments against are essentially: "OH C'MON, HE'S 9!!!"
This little kid doesn't hit hard enough to ever bother a top level 3.5.
i'm pretty sure i gave more physical reasons....
and remember your own words
"Just for the record, I'm not trying to make this a heated argument. Some of my posts sound a little confrontational, but I'm just trying to make my points. All in good fun!"
again. if anybody has videos of him handedly beating a solid 4.0 player with the playstyle and physical attributes of my friend i will gladly eat my words and admit i am wrong. just don't post some baseliner because that's the direct opposite of what i said could beat this kid.
Qatar should be a major tournament too since Federer, Nadal, and Davydenko went to it this year right? No to mention Murray, Nadal, Roddick, and Federer last year
Tournaments are rated on history, prestige, and points. Then maybe judged on what players attend
Haha it'd be a pretty tough/specific assignment for me to come up with a video of him beating a 4.0 serve and volleyer.
To Draks, assuming you really are a 4.5-5.0.
Have you ever lost to anyone younger than 14? Don't think so.
No matter how great a 9 year old strokes are, you can take them out of their game by playing with their heads. They are little kids!
I've already mentioned some juniors I used to practice with. Those were 17 year olds who WON pro tourneys, or made top level college the following year.
Little kids cannot compete with full grown adults unless the adult ALLOWS it and pampers the kid.
Heck, you can take this kid out of his game by just knocking him down on changovers.... :twisted::twisted: His mom would come running, cause a big scene, and that might qualify as coaching during the match....:twisted:
HE"S NINE!
To Draks, assuming you really are a 4.5-5.0.
Have you ever lost to anyone younger than 14? Don't think so.
No matter how great a 9 year old strokes are, you can take them out of their game by playing with their heads. They are little kids!
I've already mentioned some juniors I used to practice with. Those were 17 year olds who WON pro tourneys, or made top level college the following year.
Little kids cannot compete with full grown adults unless the adult ALLOWS it and pampers the kid.
Heck, you can take this kid out of his game by just knocking him down on changovers.... :twisted::twisted: His mom would come running, cause a big scene, and that might qualify as coaching during the match....:twisted:
HE"S NINE!
Yeah, because a tournament where Federer/Nadal/Djokovic/Andy Murray/Any other top 10 player has played is the same as Tokyo
Oh for sure this kid, if he doesn't get bored or injured, is the stuff of 5.5 in a few years.
But adults can intimidate little kids, even 3.5 adults. I know some 3.5 mens who hit forehands as hard as most pros, hit first serves only to see it flatten against the back fence, are 6'4" tall and 240 lbs of muscle, and would scare this kid to death during changeovers!
Tennis is not all strokes. Even at good 4.5 levels, gamesmanship, intimidation, timely bad calls, foul acting behavior, all are just as important as consistency, depth, and placement.
What would you say about a kid whose 11 years old and top 30 nationally?
This kid will bagel all of us here.
just to get a feel for the NTRP system as we do not use it here, approximately what would this kid's ntrp rating be?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GgBDIOv5gs&feature=related
cheers
I think it really unfair to say this kid cannot take out good 3.5s. And while we are at it, why are some here trying to point out the difference between experienced 3.5s and normal 3.5s. To me this reads sand bagging 3.5s vs honest 3.5s.
Just by virtue of him being able to rally in front of a crowd and hit well with a legend says something of his experience and confidence.
This kid would kill 3.5s. He moves well and hits the ball really well at chest level and above, which is difficult and advanced.
If and adult male has this kids skill sets he would be way above a 3.5.
Completely agree. He does move exceedingly well, hits smart shots with good placement, depth and spin (even if he does lack pace). My feeling is the primary reason why this kid would easily handle 3.5 level players is his consistency. I've never seen any 3.5 player this consistently. In fact, this kid is more consistent than most 4.0 players I've ever seen.
I agree with you. However, if it's the rare 3.5-4.0 player with a great serve... the kid would probably be toast.
Any true 4.5 or higher adult male would take the kid out in straight sets.
Be really interesting to see his progress 10 years from now if he's still playing.
There is a kid at the club where I live (about 9-10 years old) who beats 3.5 players. Not out of the ordinary for him. However, when he comes up against 4.0 or higher, especially with a decent serve, he has trouble. Still, he competes with them, and the kid in this video is way better than the kid at my club.
You guys are a laugh and need to give your ego's a rest. I was coaching at John Newcombe Tennis Ranch while the Harrison brothers were still there. Christian was around 9 or 10 years old at the time. A 3.5/4.0 would have a tough time beating him, I'd put my money on the 10 year old.....
Hey TB- I went to Newks a few years back with my son and saw Christian play along with some of the other promising juniors there as well. These kids would destroy every 3.5 player in my area and would also straight-set the vast majority of 4.0 level players in my region.
Watching a video and actually watching these kids play is entirely different. The video does NOT give you a great sense of spin, pace, placement, difficulty of shot, etc. Furthermore, it sure as hell does NOT give you a good indication as to how you would fare in a match against them. I've seen many juniors over the years easily dismantle respectably ranked club players. My son's HS team has a 17-year old junior that can destroy most club pros in my area, and half the varsity team at one of the local Ivy D1 schools.
Ahh see thats too bad because apparently according to TW if you lived in Southern California, or Florida or any of the other supposed hot spots this would NEVER happen...its impossible because those 4.0 players can compete with pros!! /sarcasm