Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Only Federer in god mode can stop Nole and he hasn't been seen in awhile. I just don't see Federer being consistent enough to keep with Nole. He donates to many free points from errors these days.
Novak Djokovic [1] vs Andy Murray [8]: USO quarterfinals
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Carsomyr
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And are extremely charming, witty, professional, sensitive patrons of the arts. :lol:
No, but seriously, you guys are great.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal has won their last 4 matches in majors, and 9-3 overall in major meetings. 2 of those wins over Djokovic were at the US Open, too.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
This, Murray's collapse didn't look mental or even technical in the slightest in my eyes, it looked completely physical. The guy just collapsed out there, it looked like he couldn't even jog to balls anymore or serve with any force. Very strange, I thought the back surgery was supposed to FIX his backIt's also been about a year since he had it..
He's not anywhere near his pre-surgery levels of fitness, that's for sure. He only seems to be good for 2 sets and then his level immediately starts to drop. It's happened in every single one of his matches this last 9 days with the sole exception of the 2nd round v Bachinger (I think). His erratic serving must be linked into this. I just can't rationalise it otherwise.
I'm beginning to wonder if he will ever get back to being as fit as he was before the surgery. I desperately hope I'm wrong but I have to be realistic about it as well, no matter how hard it is!
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
2004-06 Fed not needed. 2008-09 Fed can beat Novak. Old Fed can take a set max.
SpicyCurry1990
Hall of Fame
Good win for Novak, the level of play was very good in the 2nd and 3rd sets with Murray striking his FH better than I have ever seen. Nole held tough to fight off all of those break points in the 3rd set and cash in the double break. Too bad Murray faded physically in the 4th producing some lower quality, looked to be the effects of how much energy he had to use to fight and win the 2nd.
Definitely not going to overlook Kei after what he pulled off today recovering to beat stan and KO me from SDL, but I would not read too much into that match.
Novak was fading by that point in the year, retiring vs Del Po right before and pulling out of Paris + losing 3 and 1 to Ferrer at the WTF right after. He was pretty much fried physically and mentally and needed the off season to come back for AO 2012.
Kei at the FO 2010 was also baby Kei and on a different surface so not much to read into that one either, this should be the first real indicative match between the two.
Definitely not going to overlook Kei after what he pulled off today recovering to beat stan and KO me from SDL
, but I would not read too much into that match. Novak was fading by that point in the year, retiring vs Del Po right before and pulling out of Paris + losing 3 and 1 to Ferrer at the WTF right after. He was pretty much fried physically and mentally and needed the off season to come back for AO 2012.
Kei at the FO 2010 was also baby Kei and on a different surface so not much to read into that one either, this should be the first real indicative match between the two.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
You conveniently ignore 4 wins in a row in majors for Nadal, at the French Open and US Open. That's all that's really relevant at this stage of Nadal's career. Djokovic is 0-6 against Nadal at the French Open, and 1-2 at the US Open.
All this "scared of Nole" stuff is nonsensical talk.
tennisbuck
Hall of Fame
2014 Fed can beat Novak. He did so at one of the clay court tournaments this year...I think monte carlo
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Murray was hitting his forehand big which was great to see for a change. Djokovic is just a machine in terms of consistentcy.
Tenez101
Banned
Any time you lose 7 times in a row to the same guy when you're somebody of Nadal's caliber, there's almost certainly something mental involved.
President
Legend
He's not anywhere near his pre-surgery levels of fitness, that's for sure. He only seems to be good for 2 sets and then his level immediately starts to drop. It's happened in every single one of his matches this last 9 days with the sole exception of the 2nd round v Bachinger (I think). His erratic serving must be linked into this. I just can't rationalise it otherwise.
I'm beginning to wonder if he will ever get back to being as fit as he was before the surgery. I desperately hope I'm wrong but I have to be realistic about it as well, no matter how hard it is!
Based on what you know, do you think Murray having back surgery was a mistake, on his part?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
He's not anywhere near his pre-surgery levels of fitness, that's for sure. He only seems to be good for 2 sets and then his level immediately starts to drop. It's happened in every single one of his matches this last 9 days with the sole exception of the 2nd round v Bachinger (I think). His erratic serving must be linked into this. I just can't rationalise it otherwise.
I'm beginning to wonder if he will ever get back to being as fit as he was before the surgery. I desperately hope I'm wrong but I have to be realistic about it as well, no matter how hard it is!
What causes me concern is that he is able to beat Tsonga and we can see he has the game now to navigate past most of top 10.
I dont believe he can win a major match against Fed, Novak or Rafa with this level.
He should poach some good fitness trainer first.
winstonplum
Hall of Fame
Absolutely hilarious that Nole fans bring up Nadal. They should be thanking their lucky stars that Rafa is hurt or Nole would be losing his fifth US Open on Monday. Rafa scared. Hilarious. Nole gets shakier and shakier in every slam encounter they have. Nole and his fans can have the Miamis and Romes. Rafa'll take the RG and US Opens.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Yes, a lack of confidence and a bad matchup, not fear of the opponent. Djokovic's improvement in 2011 took Nadal by surprise.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
He can beat him at Wimbledon or masters.
It is almost impossible to beat Novak on hard because his FH is long gone
Tenez101
Banned
We're talking about the guy who was actually crying on court in the 2012 RG final after Djokovic started coming back and won 9 games in a row? Novak was in his head even then.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
I agree with this. His forehand has become way too spinny and is not a kill shot anymore. He just can't pull the trigger anymore and keep it in the court.
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
As a little boy, I sometimes felt intimidated by the neighbor’s husky on my way to the dacha. That poor old thing was old and toothless, but put on quite a barking show at times. I am not sure if it was fear or pity that motivated me, but I would often toss some edible cervelat wraps his way, but never a slice of real cervelat~!~:lol:
Mainad
Bionic Poster
He is without doubt the best player in the world right now. His number #1 ranking is no lie. He is fitter, healthier and more consistent than anybody else out there. IMO there isn't a single player who can stand up to him right now, not at the Slams anyway. He will outlast, outhit and outgrind just about everybody.
Nishikori, after 2 consecutive 5 setters, is unlikely to have much left in the tank for the semi-final. His own fitness is notoriously unreliable and he's about to come up against the fittest player in the world. I see Djokovic cruising through in straights or possibly 4. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
marc45
G.O.A.T.
fine, but he still had two or more sets to play if he had won the first set...I'm assuming he ends up in the same place, losing and hurt...I feel bad for the guy...McEnroe said it's hard to see
President
Legend
He actually hits with (by far) the least spin on average of the big 4, which is probably why he can't keep it in the court on a consistent basis from match to match when he goes for it. This is a problem he has had for his whole career though, not just a recent thing. Murray's form on the forehand today was actually extraordinary, I don't remember him really hitting such a prolonged purple patch on that stroke like he did today.
SoBad
G.O.A.T.
I hope Nishikori is fresh after back-to-back five setters.
One things is for certain, though; Maria or no Maria, birds or no birds, he'll be up to the challenge. :lol:
Had the draw been remotely balanced and Djokovic had to face either Tsonga or Wawrinka before the semis, he’d be sitting in Belgrade watching USO on TV already.
Djokovic cake to QF against post-op Murray, Nishikori comes through back-to-back five-setters against in-form top-5 playing lights out, and yet!:lol:
Chico
Banned
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
I was talking about Federer, not Murray. Roger can't rip forehands on a consistent basis anymore. His forehand has become passive. In order for roger to have any chance against Novak his forehand would have to be on fire. I enjoyed Murray going for his forehand tonight.
Maximagq
Banned
Same here as well. The big 4 of this forum
Have no fear friends! Djokovic will win his 8th major and we can enjoy our summers and wait till Australia, where he makes his push for number 9!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Personally, I groaned out loud when he announced to everyone that he was having the surgery not long after he won Wimbledon. I knew he had been having back problems but I immediately thought: " You've just won Wimbledon and got to number #2 in the world with a chance to make a run for #1 and now you're going under the knife! What the fcek are you thinking? Surely there must be some other way of managing the back problem? Federer seems to be able to manage his without resorting to anything as drastic as surgery!"
I was shocked and full of misgivings about it. But then I had to admit that none of us were in a position to second-guess his motives for doing it. Maybe he was advised it was the best way to correct his particular problem. What do I or any of us know? But I worried like hell that it would set him back and it looks as if my worst fears have come true. It's been almost exactly a year since he had the surgery and we can all see how he constantly struggles to get through matches physically. He just doesn't seem to be able to get through long and difficult matches anymore without the greatest difficulty.
In short: I really wish he hadn't done it. But it's his back and he must have thought it was the only way to deal with it. But I can't help wondering if he himself now thinks it was worth it because he's definitely not been the same player since!
uliks
Banned
LOL. Please Tenez leave Mustard to live in his Nadal la la land, where prime Rafa never lost a match when prepared, healthy and not injured...
Carsomyr
Legend
Maximagq
Banned
I don't get the caveman reference?!?!
SpicyCurry1990
Hall of Fame
While the 9-3 total and 2010 US Open win certainly matter in the scope of careers, I find both to be not very indicative of the rivalry at present considering Novak only became a continuous slam winner and #1 ranking contender starting with 2011.
2011+ once Novak started winning majors again:
over-all h2h: 12-7 Novak
tournament finals h2h: 12-5 Novak
hard court h2h: 7-2 Novak
grass court h2h: 1-0 Novak
clay court h2h: 5-4 Nadal (Nadal 3-0 RG, Novak 4-2 elsewhere)
slam h2h: 4-3 Nadal (Nadal 3-0 RG, Noval 3-1 elsewhere)
It's really ONLY been Roland Garros that Nadal owns Novak on, even on all of the other CLAY venues Novak holds the edge along with hards, grass, finals, slams outside of RG, and over-all. Nadal certainly realizes the massive challenge Novak brings and your attempts to dismiss him are pretty ridiculous.
Damn bro, cold.
:lol:
remotely balanced? Yes a 1 seed's draw should be balanced to look the same as a 10 seed's draw :lol: please tell me that is a joke. Nole's draw was balanced compared to Wawrinka's...the other top seed in that half so naturally they wouldn't have to meet.
And this supposed Tsonga that would have sent Nole to Belgrade lost to that post op Murray you allude to in straights. :lol:
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Maximagq
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Damnit how did I forget to mention SpicyCurry1990! You're definitely in my top 5 favorite posters!
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
I'd drop a days wage to see Federer pull a French open 2011 on Novak in the final.
-snake-
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Technology Ruined Tennis
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SoBad
G.O.A.T.
When Federer was assigned a private suite in the slam quadriplegic ward for 5 years in 2003 – 2007, the official story was because he was #1 seed he gets to skate into the second weekend every time. Then he lost his #1, getting mauled by mugs all over the place, including straight sets claycourt journeyman Delbonis right in the German backyard in front.
And now we are supposed to believe that no-overhead Pascal-hammocking Djokovic would have magically found a way around the Wawrinka/Tsonga to delay the return to watch leaves fall as the autumn settles into the streets of Belgrade.:lol:
Chico
Banned
Damnit how did I forget to mention SpicyCurry1990! You're definitely in my top 5 favorite posters!
Agree! Sorry SpicyCurry! Big 5
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Keep making excuses like a spoiled little kid, it's actually hilarious. Murray played a good match anyways, this was a legit victory. I think he's gonna qualify for WTF.
SpicyCurry1990
Hall of Fame
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Murray didn't play too well, and that is what we expected after back surgery. he won't ever play like he did few years ago, that is too bad but what can you do
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Congratulations Djokovic on winning your 2nd USO title
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Stop trying this jinx stuff. It doesn't work.
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Well one thing is for sure is that he's a sure bet for the SFs, with a couple of good runs in the Master's tournaments/winning them and winning the WTF, he will end the year at #1 again.
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Sad to see Murray lost, couldnt watch it due to work commitments today but im glad he at least got a set. Sounds like it was competative for 2 sets before Novak's superior fitness took over. Hopefully we see Andy train much harder for the AO and be able to compete with the big boys.
Chico
Banned
LOL. Unbelievable how much Fedal fanboys underrate Djokovic in every sentence they write.
Didn't even watch the match and still conclude that it is not Djokovic superior tennis skills that helped him win the match but only his "fitness". :roll:
I can't believe what am I reading.
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LOL. Unbelievable how much Fedal fanboys underrate Djokovic in every sentence they write.
Didn't even watch the match and still conclude that it is not Djokovic superior tennis skills that helped him win the match but only his "fitness". :roll:
I can't believe what am I reading.
Very astute of you, and I agree.
"Superior fitness" is a code phrase for "not as good at tennis" or "not as talented".
Djokovic won tonight because he is better than Murray, period.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is just ridiculous. And to think that about 2 weeks ago when he had lost horribly in Canada/Cincy and claimed tennis was his 2nd priority many here were predicting his downfall.lulz
I don't think anyone on Federer's side of the draw, including Federer, can get more than a set on Djokovic.
I don't think anyone on Federer's side of the draw, including Federer, can get more than a set on Djokovic.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Come on be honest. Who can stop him now? Nobody
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