[1] Roger Federer VS [3] Rafael Nadal Parera - BASEL FINAL

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

Odds says 1.38 Federer vs 3.15 Nadal, seems fair
I really thought Cilic would beat Nadal, here against Federer I always like Nadal's chances but it will really tough, but sure Nadal has a shot, maybe in 3.
I hope he's not too tired, he played a lot of sets this week and played many matches since Beijing

 

[tlm]

I am For Rafa all the way but I am just happy to see him playing better than what he has most of the year. I think fed is to tough indoors and will probably take it.

 

[Aesthetics_above_all_else]

But Rafa isn't playing great like he did. Both of them playing on another level than before, and this year Federer been way better than Rafa. So I would still give the edge to Federer indoors.

Problem is this is the strongest by far Nadal has been this year and one of Federer's weakest times. I'm seeing more and more glimpses of the real Nadal and I'm not confident at all in Federer winning at his current level. Hope he proves me wrong!

He already struggles enough on big points even when he's playing his A game let alone with his B game. That should be the difference.

 

[Aesthetics_above_all_else]

Odds says 1.38 Federer vs 3.15 Nadal, seems fair
I really thought Cilic would beat Nadal, here against Federer I always like Nadal's chances but it will really tough, but sure Nadal has a shot, maybe in 3.
I hope he's not too tired, he played a lot of sets this week and played many matches since Beijing

The line on Nadal taking a set is ridiculously generous imo. I don't see how he wouldn't take a set.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Too bad he didn't one-up himself in 2003 and 2010, or he'd be at nine seasons

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May I ask whom you will be pulling for, @Djokovic2011, and what your prediction is?

I'm hoping Federer will win but I'm not too convinced he will!

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

The line on Nadal taking a set is ridiculously generous imo. I don't see how he wouldn't take a set.

Nadal to win a set at 1.85. Only thing that worries me is the fatigue, even yesterday he played only 2 sets but over 2 hours.

 

[3fees]

Federer to go down in 2, that way maybe he'll win.


Cheers
3fees

 

[The Green Mile]

Home crowd, suited surface, less time on court, all signs point to Roger. 23-11 after this match! Suck it haters!

 

[jm1980]

Fed BP conversion ratio 1/40.

Nadal BP conversion ratio: 2/2

If the stats are like this then Fed will probably end up winning

 

[Noleberic123]

Going for Nadal in 3. Mainly because of the match up.

 

[Noleberic123]

Also if anyone wants to know I'm rooting for Nadal in this match

 

[KHSOLO]

And more than 25 unforced erros?

Most definatelly, F v N is a done deal, low % in bp for F and huge number of ue´s, if it goes to 3 sets ill be impressed

 

[FedTheMan]

If the stats are like this then Fed will probably end up winning

No, those kind of bp stats lead me to believe that it will be like USO15 final.

OT: I have Fed for the win but Nadal has a great chance to win as usual. Come on Roger!

 

[coloskier]

At least this time Fed will be used to the heavy topspin after playing Sock in his last match. It doesn't look like the ball is bouncing very high on this surface, so I say Fed in straights.

 

[maruzo]

If Fed loses the first set, match is over for him.

If Rafa loses the first set, Fed has a 50 % chance of winning the match.

That said my money is on Fed in 2 sets. 6-4 6-3.

 

[Engelworks]

Could this be the most hyped ATP-500 final of all time?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Could this be the most hyped ATP-500 final of all time?

I think it's because we haven't seen a Fed-Nadal match in almost two years, and the last time Roger beat him was in the IW semis in 2012. The Fed-Djoker rivalry produces far better tennis and more interesting matches between the two.

 

[Shangri La]

Nadal will beat Fed no matter what, AND Nadal is playing well. Not even Fed himself believes he can will.

 

[ForumMember]

One thing is certain though, Nadal is not winning in two. Nowadays a 1000 ranked would play him and even that match likely to go to third set.

 

[oneness]

Odds says 1.38 Federer vs 3.15 Nadal, seems fair
I really thought Cilic would beat Nadal, here against Federer I always like Nadal's chances but it will really tough, but sure Nadal has a shot, maybe in 3.
I hope he's not too tired, he played a lot of sets this week and played many matches since Beijing

He has had a day off after each of the first two matches, so I would think he should be ok.
If fed serves well, its going to be really tough with the slow starts rafa has had in each set.

 

[The_Order]

Problem is this is the strongest by far Nadal has been this year and one of Federer's weakest times. I'm seeing more and more glimpses of the real Nadal and I'm not confident at all in Federer winning at his current level. Hope he proves me wrong!

He already struggles enough on big points even when he's playing his A game let alone with his B game. That should be the difference.

And here it is folks. The excuses already happening before the match even starts...

 

[oneness]

And here it is folks. The excuses already happening before the match even starts...

Seriously man believe it or not , for some people in this forum this is just a match and it has no further bearing on their life. So everything doesn't have to be an excuse, some of it can be just their observation.

 

[sbengte]

Everything is tailor-made for Roger: his home tournament and a faster indoor court which is also low bouncing.

It won't matter. Nadal will beat him 5-7, 6-4, 6-2, something like that. It doesn't matter that Rafa has been in poor form all year and is low on confidence. He always plays splendidly against Roger and Fed nearly always chokes. I would be shocked if Roger takes this. Watch him squander endless BP's and continually return Rafa's weak second serve into the bottom of the net. Sadly, been there, done that, for the past decade.

Indoors or not I don't trust Federer
Nadal in 2 sets something like 7-5 6-4

Poor Fed. It won't be fun to get schooled by his arch-rival in front of his home crowd

anyone calling this rivalry exciting or in any way intriguing is being somewhat dishonest

it's better to admit that Fed hasn't been able to play against his main rival effectively and also admit that you probably have a soft spot (or even a fan) for Hafa than calling this lopsided matchup "fun to watch" or saying things like "I wonder who's gonna take this"

it's not intrigue if most matches have almost the same outcome for one player

This is such an easy match to predict. It never has mattered how good our bad either player has been, it will play out the same. Rafa forehand constantly to Roger backhand. UE will start to pile up on the Roger backhand, GAME OVER. I am a Roger fan, but I cannot see the same thing over again. To easy to predict. It does not matter how good Roger is serving is or how good his forehand is, Rafa will break down the backhand as usual.

The only honest posts in this thread amidst the Nadal fan base which has gone full-Clarky and Fed fan base that has gone full-bullzie.

 

[oneness]

The only honest posts in this thread amidst the Nadal fan base which has gone full-Clarky and Fed fan base that has gone full-bullzie.

What is the success rate of your predictions so far, you seem to love predicting. Unless it is more than 80, you shouldn't be calling out other folks.
We get it, you don't want to be disappointed. You want to be prepared for the worst and be pleasantly surprised if the result turns out to be different.

 

[The_Order]

Seriously man believe it or not , for some people in this forum this is just a match and it has no further bearing on their life. So everything doesn't have to be an excuse, some of it can be just their observation.

Explain how this is one of Federer's weakest times when it quite clearly isn't.

It is an excuse.

 

[Sentinel]

Also if anyone wants to know I'm rooting for Nadal in this match

Much obliged.

Not even Fed himself believes he can will.

You are clearly a great mind reader/psychic, but your spelling are a bit off

 

[oneness]

Explain how this is one of Federer's weakest times when it quite clearly isn't.

It is an excuse.

I think the poster just meant he is not playing as well as he did pre USO , so weakest he has been this year. I didn't read it as an excuse and I will be very happy if rafa wins tomorrow playing his best regardless of fed's form. I don't care if excuses are made plus I don't read everything as an excuse.

 

[Meles]

Not enough posts in this thread at all for such a great, great match. Everyone seems a bit scared and timid (in the last page). Bold predictions please.

I've watched both play this week (less so Fed because easy matches), and Federer while showing flashes of brilliance is not in top form. Fed has an unimpressive record in ATP1000 because he doesn't focus his schedule on these events and is totally consumed with majors. Fed will be exceptionally motivated for Nadal, but the quick bounce in Shanghai and this weeks easy matches are not enough.

Nadal on the other hand has been playing a rigorous and challenging schedule in three significant tournaments since the US Open. He is ready to further increase his level of play, and only a fool would think that he won't up his level for this match. In the Fed vs Sock match today when Sock had his act together and was hitting heavy spin (as opposed to feeble shots, or nuking the ball), Federer was not handling these heavy shots well and in the first set was only holding maybe 40% of the time against a Sock in the headlights. This number will go down against Rafa and though capable ov serving over 75% on first serves, even that may not be enough. The only way Fed wins is by applying enough pressure and attack to Nadal so that Nadal cannot hit heavy. Expecting to see some heavy balls tomorrow and a solid victory by Nadal.

 

[ultradr]

Odds says 1.38 Federer vs 3.15 Nadal, seems fair
I really thought Cilic would beat Nadal, here against Federer I always like Nadal's chances but it will really tough, but sure Nadal has a shot, maybe in 3.
I hope he's not too tired, he played a lot of sets this week and played many matches since Beijing

1.38 or 3.15 ?
which one is good?

 

[ArcspacE]

1.38 or 3.15 ?
which one is good?

LOL - what?

 

[ForumMember]

All betting sites are hugely favoring Federer. I know Federer would win, but didn't expect that level of confidence.

 

[Krish872007]

Can't see the match unfortunately - hope it's a good one and hoping for Federer to come away with a much needed win. Amazed that he's such a strong favourite with the bookies.
Both guys seem excited to play each other again

 

[WarriorRafa]

1.38 or 3.15 ?
which one is good?

The lower the number the better it is, I believe. So 1.38 is better than 3.15. Bookies think Fed has this in the bag and I tend to agree.

 

[zep]

1.38 or 3.15 ?
which one is good?

For $1 on Federer you get $1.38 and on Nadal you get $3.15. Federer is a heavy favorite.

 

[irishnadalfan1983]

Nadal to win a set at 1.85. Only thing that worries me is the fatigue, even yesterday he played only 2 sets but over 2 hours.

Only an indoor harcourt match with only 2 sets could last 2 hours when Rafa is involved

 

[Bukmeikara]

This is Federer's 10th straight Basel final. I believe it is a record breaker, Nadalito had 9 in Monte Carlo if not mistaken.

 

[Levi_Ackerman]

Nadal to win a set at 1.85. Only thing that worries me is the fatigue, even yesterday he played only 2 sets but over 2 hours.

About 1/4 of the 2 hours played was time taken by Rafa between points, so it's probably fair to say he played for circa 90 minutes.

 

[clayqueen]

I think its because they are the to greatest and have 2 very different contrasting styles, they are the 2 biggest icons ever as well and their fan bases are always at war lol

In a nutshell.

 

[veroniquem]

Explain how this is one of Federer's weakest times .

Losing to Ramos-Vinolas in Shanghai

 

[veroniquem]

Odds says 1.38 Federer vs 3.15 Nadal, seems fair
I really thought Cilic would beat Nadal, here against Federer I always like Nadal's chances but it will really tough, but sure Nadal has a shot, maybe in 3.
I hope he's not too tired, he played a lot of sets this week and played many matches since Beijing

Rafa played the 1st semi though. That should favor him a bit.

 

[irishnadalfan1983]

I think we are all united in our dislike of Nole - lets just enjoy watching the 2 greatest tennis players ever and 2 of the greatest sportsman ever There will be a warm embrace at the end and I am going to enjoy today no matter what happens!

 

[LazyNinja19]

I think people are being too optimistic regarding Nadal's chances in the final. Most seem to have forgotten that their H2H looks completely different on the Indoor Hard courts, where Nadal has only beaten Federer once, and that too was in one of Nadal's best HC form and Fed's worst.
The high bouncing attack on the BH doesn't work on these courts anywhere near as much as on the Outdoor courts. Federer will most likely serve bot and break the weak Rafa serve easily at least once per set.

80% chance the scoreline will be something like 6-3 6-4 in Fed's favour in around 80 minutes. Regardless, I'm happy that Rafa is improving and beating decent opponents and fighting from tough situations. It bodes well for next year.

Hope it's a good match with vintage shots for the highlights reel. It could be the last FEDAL encounter for all we know.

 

[The Green Mile]

This is Federer's 10th straight Basel final. I believe it is a record breaker, Nadalito had 9 in Monte Carlo if not mistaken.

Yes, I think you're right. His 12 finals here is also a record too.

 

[Chicharito]

Fed has been poor this week, if he was in his summer form I would definitely pick him to win, comfortably.
Although if it is only a motivation issue (mentally) maybe he can get himself up for this. No surprise after his summer that he is a little flat mentally for lesser tournaments

If it is a physical thing, less practice etc. Then he can't turn it on like a switch and is doomed.

Nadal in 3 is my prediction.

Hope it's a good match with vintage shots for the highlights reel. It could be the last FEDAL encounter for all we know.

Wow, you could be right. 18 months since the last one. Although there is a 50% chance they will get drawn in the same group at the WTF.

. And one thing's for certain - one of them is gonna be sitting on a record breaking 17th ATP 500 title tomorrow.

They are going to be so nervous with that on the line.

 

[Noleberic123]

don't know if I can end up watching this match, starts at 12am here where I am and I have work tomorrow morning

 

[Red Rick]

I think it will be close, Federer hasn't been playing stellar this week, and I give the mental edge to Nadal

 

[veroniquem]

I think we are all united in our dislike of Nole -

Er... speak for yourself

 

[ForumMember]

I think people are being too optimistic regarding Nadal's chances in the final. Most seem to have forgotten that their H2H looks completely different on the Indoor Hard courts, where Nadal has only beaten Federer once, and that too was in one of Nadal's best HC form and Fed's worst.
The high bouncing attack on the BH doesn't work on these courts anywhere near as much as on the Outdoor courts. Federer will most likely serve bot and break the weak Rafa serve easily at least once per set.

80% chance the scoreline will be something like 6-3 6-4 in Fed's favour in around 80 minutes. Regardless, I'm happy that Rafa is improving and beating decent opponents and fighting from tough situations. It bodes well for next year.

Hope it's a good match with vintage shots for the highlights reel. It could be the last FEDAL encounter for all we know.

In nutshell..

 

[Noleberic123]

Odds says 1.38 Federer vs 3.15 Nadal, seems fair
I really thought Cilic would beat Nadal, here against Federer I always like Nadal's chances but it will really tough, but sure Nadal has a shot, maybe in 3.
I hope he's not too tired, he played a lot of sets this week and played many matches since Beijing

How is that fair?

 

[Sysyphus]

All betting sites are hugely favoring Federer. I know Federer would win, but didn't expect that level of confidence.

It should be said that the odds are mostly affected by the people who bet, and they have short memories
Besides, 3.15 on the underdog still indicates a match with big upset potential.