PhrygianDominant
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Stan can play so big that the opponent becomes irrelevant, and djokovic has that annoying tendency to give Stan lots of rhythm. Which will just help Stan get grooved, but that's only if Stan shows up.
2015 Roland Garros Final - [1] Novak Djokovic vs. [8] Stanislas Wawrinka
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Stan can play so big that the opponent becomes irrelevant, and djokovic has that annoying tendency to give Stan lots of rhythm. Which will just help Stan get grooved, but that's only if Stan shows up.
Mustard
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This isn't 2007-2010 anymore.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
We saw what happened in USOPEN 2012.
You simply cannot have legs to sustain back to back semis and finals in a Grandslam. Novak is no exception.
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
Australia 2012?
veroniquem
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Oh boy I hope you're right.
I couldn't believe that 5th set. Simply amazing. Murray didn't know what hit him.
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He has plenty left in the tank for the final, he won't lose due to exhaustion. Wawrinka has to outplay him, which of course he is capable of doing, but I don't feel Djokovic is going in at a disadvantage. In fact, his game looked as sharp as it has been at the end there, and mentally he found his inner calm also.
He is the favorite in my eyes. Of course, the match has to be played out.
veroniquem
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Hum what? I guess that's why he'd never reached semi at RG in 10 participations and only 1 quarter before this year.
Wawrinka benefited from a cakewalk draw at this RG. Some people haven't been paying attention.
As for Wawa being a bad matchup for Djoko, sure, but Djoko still won 16 of their last 17 encounters.
Djokodal Fan
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Difference, it was no back to back days.
Usopen 2012 - SF on Sunday (due to rain delay and he had to play 3 full sets against Ferrer) , Finals on Monday (5 sets against Murray)
Appears to be a repeat only difference is This is clay. Only +ve is he won 5th set fairly comfortably. But if it was over in 4, I would have said that it would not have impacted djokovic much. But he had to play full competitive 13 games besides mental torture of losing 4th set today.
Fed played Monfils and defeated 6-4, 6-1 (due to delay). We saw how Stan abused him the next day.
Hence my reasoning that djoker won't last the distance. But if Wawa starts unloading bombs after bombs, it pretty much over.
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
Stan was always the likely favourite in that match these days anyway. Don't think it'll be too significant, he was only on for about an hour or so, would do that much worth in practice at least anyways. Most tournaments they play every day anyway and Djokovic is one of the fittest guys on tour, the fact that he followed the 5 hour semi with a six hour final in 2012 (technically consecutive days as it was the early hours of the morning in the Murray match I think) shows that so I don't think it'll be much of an issue for him.
Anti-Fedal
Professional
True, but the last four slam meetings have gone the distance. If Stan fires, Nole could be in trouble. I still expect the Djokovic to win. But a Wawrinka victory wouldn't be a complete shock.
Djokodal Fan
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I'll be more than happy if that is not an issue. I just hate when one player gets unfair advantage because of scheduling. Novak is fit, which is good. Imagine if it is someone like dimitrov or Raonic or Monfils, Things wouldn't be balanced.
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He had to play three sets against Ferrer and then another five against Murray, without having a day off.
Today, he barely played more than one set (a practice session, basically), so it's quite a different situation.
Emiliano55
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One thing is Djokovic vs Wawrinka, which Wawa definitely is his pidegeon.
The other, is Djokovic vs Stanimal.
Tomorrow the match will be, again, in Stan's racquet. If Stanimal shows up again, he can win. If Wawrinka shows up, it will be a straights set win for Djokovic.
I have been watching every Wawrinka match, and he is on a mission here. I see the same angry face I saw in the AO 2014. Si I'm pretty sure Stanimal will show up tomorrow.
Stanimal in 4.
The other, is Djokovic vs Stanimal.
Tomorrow the match will be, again, in Stan's racquet. If Stanimal shows up again, he can win. If Wawrinka shows up, it will be a straights set win for Djokovic.
I have been watching every Wawrinka match, and he is on a mission here. I see the same angry face I saw in the AO 2014. Si I'm pretty sure Stanimal will show up tomorrow.
Stanimal in 4.
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If I had to place a bet, it would be on Shokavish in 3 or 4. His consistency and defense will draw a few too many errors from Wawrinka. However Wawrinka is always a chance, but he'd probably need to blow Shoko off the court in 3. Either way, I hope to see a very competitive match of at least 4 sets.
uscwang
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I've come to realize that the oddsmakers are quite good at what they are doing. Wawrinka has little chance in the final. He grabbed the opportunity offered by the draw, which, btw, is wide open in the lower half like you-know-what.
This is a Wawrinka who lost to Dimitrov, twice, this clay season. Counting his home court loss to Delbonis in Geneva, this is the 3rd consecutive week he has played. His service is the worst in Top 10. Clay court slows down his big hits. What chance does he have against Novak, really?
Come to think of it, this is the 5th consecutive week Stan has been playing. Madrid, Rome, Geneva, RG. Wouldn't be surprised if this schedule takes its toll in the final.
This is a Wawrinka who lost to Dimitrov, twice, this clay season. Counting his home court loss to Delbonis in Geneva, this is the 3rd consecutive week he has played. His service is the worst in Top 10. Clay court slows down his big hits. What chance does he have against Novak, really?
Come to think of it, this is the 5th consecutive week Stan has been playing. Madrid, Rome, Geneva, RG. Wouldn't be surprised if this schedule takes its toll in the final.
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veroniquem
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Yep. "Follow the money" tends to be a good motto.
The hype around Wawa is mostly due to him beating Fedal (because he hasn't done much this clay season otherwise and his RG draw has been quite soft). The problem with that is that Fedal are not in their glory years anymore, far from it. Currently, Djokoray are playing better. Were you surprised that Murray took 2 sets off Djoko while Nadal took none? Well, I wasn't, I knew based on form that Murray would be a bigger hurdle for Djoko. So people should not raise their expectations too high for Wawa in final. Or they're gonna find out the hard way that Djoko is not current Federer ( whose returning skills have become abysmal, much less Tsonga).
And it's not hard court, so you're absolutely right about Wawa's shots being less blistering. Imo, the only way Wawa pulls off the win is if a subpar Djoko shows up. If it's classic 2015 Djoko, Wawa will struggle (probably more than he would on hard)
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cc0509
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It really does depend on which version of Stan shows up. Stanimal has the ability to blow anybody off the court but I just have a sick feeling that Djokovic's consistency will win out and it is Djokovic's time.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
good one vero. I think djoko will edge him out based on current form. Clay is ot HC and penetration will be less. fed always plays first strike tennis, so Wawa just blew him. Also Fed played back to back days. he might have probably gassed out for his age.
Lmao, you obviously have never watched Wawrinka. The worst service in the top 10? You realize he can nail lines at 125+, and smoke people at 130+ at times. His second serve is also nothing to scoff at either. He has a much stronger serve than Nadal, Murray, Ferrer, and Nishikori.
And clay was his best surface prior to him being a champion at the AO. It's asinine to think that he would suck on clay. Djokovic is certainly a favorite, but by no means does he want to see Stan across the net. He'd probably much rather play Federer since Federer isn't quite the same player anymore, while Stan has a punchers chance of actually beating Djokovic.
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FEDERERNADAL13
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On the Wawa train, hoping for a great match! Novak is playing incredible tennis, and Stan will need to play AO 2014 level to have a chance.
ALLEZ Stan!
ALLEZ Stan!
Mainad
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The opposite for me! :wink:
The Green Mile
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Mmm, sorry. I counted a couple Challenger matches accidentally.
malbaker86
Hall of Fame
I picked Novak at the start of the tourney and see no reason to change it now. Novak in 4
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This is probably the best final we could have got, considering what these two deliver in slam contests. I am going with Djokovic, how he handled a fully determined and pumped up Murray today was very impressive indeed, and I don't think he will be tired. Stanimal will have his moments for sure in this fight, but Djokovic's consistency, should see him over the finish line. Should be a blistering climax to one of the most talked about RG in history.
tennisdad65
Hall of Fame
Novak in 4. Stan will get hot for a set, or Novak will have his usual 15-20 minute letdown to gift away a set.
TheMusicLover
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is the obvious favourite, and Stan will have to really show up as STANIMAL to have even any decent chance of pulling out the victory here - say, about 15-20% chance at the most.
Still, even with no 'hatred' for Djokovic, rooting for Stan, for two main reasons: 1) to shut up all the sillies who still claim his AO 2014 victory was a 'fluke', and 2) idem dito to all those claiming Djokovic is unbeatable, a GOAT, etc. - as he may be on his way, still way too early for any claims for that.
GO STAN!
Head: Djok in four. Heart: Stan in three or five.
Still, even with no 'hatred' for Djokovic, rooting for Stan, for two main reasons: 1) to shut up all the sillies who still claim his AO 2014 victory was a 'fluke', and 2) idem dito to all those claiming Djokovic is unbeatable, a GOAT, etc. - as he may be on his way, still way too early for any claims for that.
GO STAN!
Head: Djok in four. Heart: Stan in three or five.
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Poisoned Slice
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I can't wait.
I'm thinking Djokovic in 4. I'd like to see it go all the way. I hope it turn out like their Aussie Open 2013/2014 matches.
I'm thinking Djokovic in 4. I'd like to see it go all the way. I hope it turn out like their Aussie Open 2013/2014 matches.
Nostradamus
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What is weather like tomorrow and who does that favor ?
Gru
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20km/h winds, not too warm 20-ish C. The wind might trouble Wawrinka's 1 handed backhand and accuracy for those bombs.
I would say the wind favors the defensive player, plus since it is not going to be hot, don't see heat problems for Novak.
Actually, Raonic is the only guy with a better serve than Wawrinka in the top 10. He grabbed the opportunity? You make it seem like he's faced journeymen. He's beaten Nadal and Federer this year on clay, and the Nadal encounter was excellent with a great tiebreak. Murray on the other hand took full advantage of his draw - and then got stopped by the first very good player he faced.
In fact, I'd take Wawrinka's second serve over a few guys' first serve in the top 10; At times, his 2nd delivery is nuts.
Anywhere else this contest is 50/50, but on clay, a slight edge to Djokovic. Wawrinka has a track record of being able to push him all the way, and has one recent-ish win over him. He'll be tougher to play than Murray, Wawrinka can literally hurt Djokovic from the serve, FH and BH. Djokovic is less wreckless and makes fewer mistakes.
stringertom
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mike danny
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Murray did beat Ferrer though who had an undeafeated record vs the Scot on clay. So Ferrer was his first very good opponent.
And even against Djokovic he played better than Nadal himself.
Nadal is the one who took full advantage of the draw.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
So Stan the Man in 5?!
My predictions were not good in the semi finals so im too apprehensive to say,but i wouldnt be surprised if Stan comes out blasting away and not missing and we all know what that means.There's a lot of pressure on Novak.
The Green Mile
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LOL, that would be great. A 1st round exit to the Winner. He'll get a lot of ranking points too. The match shouldn't be too far away now. About an hour....
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I'm off to watch this match with a couple of friends. Catch you guys on the other side.
The Green Mile
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I'm off to watch this match with a couple of friends. Catch you guys on the other side.
What, live in person?
Nostradamus
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Wind is only 9-12 MPH. What are you talking about ??
http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/l/FRXX0076:1:FR
Berasategui94
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I'm going with Stan in 4. Djokovic is of course the favorite but not nearly as big as the odds suggest. To me Stan has a 25-30% chance to win this.
maxrenn
Legend
Novaks got this he will raise his level and play aggressive like he did in the 5th against Murray, Stan won't be able to play his game, I think a 3 set final at most 4. Novak will finally get RG after 3 years of being denied by Nadal.
I hope it is exciting for the viewers at least.
I hope it is exciting for the viewers at least.
