2019 ATP Final RR: [2] Novak Djokovic vs [3] Roger Federer

[HetTheGreaterer]

He won 4 events at age 37/38. No other male in the Open era has done that. Far from cruddy.

Just 2 more points and he would have won 2 more titles

(Inb4 someone asks the other, break points against thiem in IW F at 1-1 2nd set, 4-3 3rd set)

 

[Krish0608]

I think I need to adopt StrongRule's technique of predicting brutal losses. This actually seems to be working.

 

[EddieChang]

We'll done Rogi, great serving and cluch play.

OTOH, shocking performance by Nole, so many DF and UE
Didn't deserve a chance for YE No1...

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Still positive on winner ue ratio though

 

[Mike Sams]

i realize fed hasn't beaten novak since 2015 but i forget that there was a good chunk of time they just didnt meet either because fed was away from injury or vice versa. i really kept wishing they would meet in 2017 cuz i think fed could have turned some of that around

Djokovic several times lost in the round prior to meeting Federer (Chung in AO2018, Berdych in Wimbledon2017). Based on their respective form, Federer would've had a good chance to win those.

 

[PeteD]

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Lewisian statistics

 

[jklos]

well, at least he's salvaged something from this cruddy year

Nowhere near cruddy.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Congrats to Rafa - and a beautiful symmetry.

NextGen #1 next year?!?

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God knows what next year will bring!
But this Federer Novak Rafa thing will not go on forever.
I have my hopes and thats Tsitsipas. So maybe Tsitsipas should win tomorrow

 

[BeatlesFan]

Oh dear. WHat is wrong with Djoker's elbow?

A whole lotta nothin', as Cahill, Gilbert, Courier and P-Mac correctly said: "gamesmanship."

 

[rUDin 21]

One of the rare matches where something was on the line for each of Big 3.Their interconnected paths are what is so special about this trivalry.Roger was flying tonight he was unstoppable.Now I wish for Rafa to go to SF and have a showdown with Fed.
Fun fact:2019 H2H
Fed/Nole 1-1
Nole/Rafa 1-1
Fed/Rafa 1-1

 

[Pheasant]

5% is way too small, make it 25% to be more realistic. Someone like Ryan Harrison has a 5% chance of beating Djokovic, Fed is considerably more accomplished, to put it mildly.

Federer has been serving excruciatingly badly here this week. His first serve speed is oftentimes 110 MPH, which is a sitting duck for anyone, especially Djokovic. Annacone was puzzled why the serve has been so slow and predictable this event.

Nice call, amigo! I'm really glad that you were right and I was wrong!

 

[Djokovic2011]

Deserved win for Roger who was on superb form tonight. But Novak looked a little subdued and was holding his elbow a lot. Maybe the old problem has flared up again?

His serve didn't look as potent in his last two matches as it usually is but whether or not that was down to any injury issues, who knows? At least he has the entire off season now to recuperate and get ready for 2020.

 

[EllieK]

Couldn't watch live and just found out the score. Wow. I am a happy camper.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Novak was not winning this anyway. His elbow wasn't an issue.

Rafa is the winner today

 

[icedevil0289]

I’m not even sad or angry. That Thiem match just seemed to take it out of Novak. He’s been awful in Bo3 all year. At least now YE#1 is done.

i mean hey i'd gladly trade as a fed fan with novak given the year he had

 

[The Fedfather]

No it was a terrible atmosphere. The only good thing about it was Djokovic shutting them down. USO 2015 was even worse.

The tennis is great but the crowds are not.

Well, maybe calling it 'atmosphere' is wrong. I'm specifically talking about what happens on the court. The mindset players have, their intensity and extreme desire not to lose to each other. This rivalry is always a hard battle both competitively and mentally (what goes beyond competitive mentality, a more personal level). I don't get that with other Big 3 matchups.
The crowds can be awful for Novak, unfortunately, not arguing that.

 

[BeatlesFan]

If Roger wins this match I will not post 40-15 again to demonstrate my appreciation.

@weakera

I bet this lasts about 12 hours.

 

[NoleFam]

Well, maybe calling it 'atmosphere' is wrong. I'm specifically talking about what happens on the court. The mindset players have, their intensity and extreme desire not to lose to each other. This rivalry is always a hard battle both competitively and mentally (what goes beyond competitive mentality, a more personal level). I don't get that with other Big 3 matchups.
The crowds can be awful for Novak, unfortunately, not arguing that.

What the two display on the court is amazing. It's just too bad the crowd cannot appreciate both great competitors and be respectful.

 

[Mark-Touch]

Couldn't watch live and just found out the score. Wow. I am a happy camper.

Somehow, somewhere you MUST watch this match!
It was unbeleebable!

 

[Raul_SJ]

A whole lotta nothin', as Cahill, Gilbert, Courier and P-Mac correctly said: "gamesmanship."

How is that gonna work against a seasoned Fed? Fed would never fall for it.
If anything it would tick Fed off even more.

 

[weakera]

@weakera

I bet this lasts about 12 hours.

I would never disrespect the great swiss maestro

 

[James P]

Didn't see that coming. Very cool, Roger.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Fed always comes up huge in big matches against elite competition. Lol!!

Brilliant analysis.

 

[Mark-Touch]

What the two display on the court is amazing. It's just too bad the crowd cannot appreciate both great competitors and be respectful.

I could count 1000's of matches where the crowd favors one player over another.
Sour grapes!

 

[NoleFam]

I could count 1000's of matches where the crowd favors one player over another.
Sour grapes!

I can too but the crowds Federer draws are a different breed.

 

[RaulRamirez]

I think I need to adopt StrongRule's technique of predicting brutal losses. This actually seems to be working.

NO. One of him is more than enough - especially in live match threads!

 

[Mark-Touch]

I can too but the crowds Federer draws are a different breed.

And rightly so!

 

[Mike Sams]

Big thanks to Nadal for saving Federer's "weeks at #1 record" and big thanks to Federer for securing Nadal's #1 ranking. Now Fedal fans can come together and rejoice...if only for a day!

 

[EllieK]

Somehow, somewhere you MUST watch this match!
It was unbeleebable!

I have tennisTV. Replay time

 

[BeatlesFan]

Don't even want to watch this massacre.

Best post in the thread.

 

[3fees]

Congrats to Federer blnt Djokovic 64 63,, Djokovic is eliminated.

Cheers
3Fees

 

[Raul_SJ]

One of the rare matches where something was on the line for each of Big 3.Their interconnected paths are what is so special about this trivalry.Roger was flying tonight he was unstoppable.Now I wish for Rafa to go to SF and have a showdown with Fed.
Fun fact:2019 H2H
Fed/Nole 1-1
Nole/Rafa 1-1
Fed/Rafa 1-1

Serves can absolutely get better with age and experience. I have no doubt Fed is capable, on any given day, of serving as well at 38 than he ever has.
Shot selection and strategy can also improve. A step slower? Yes, but it doesn't matter much when your GOAT serving.

 

[icedevil0289]

so who is fed's potential semifinal opponent, is it either nadal or sascha or do I have that wrong?

 

[Mike Sams]

Serves can absolutely get better with age and experience. I have no doubt Fed is capable, on any given day, of serving as well at 38 than he ever has.
Shot selection and strategy can also improve. A step slower? Yes, but it doesn't matter much when your GOAT serving.

In boxing, the last thing to go for an ageing boxer is his punch. I'd imagine the last thing to go on a tennis player is his serve?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Fed played amazing. Try to enjoy the win with some class.

No can do until all anti-Fed thought is eliminated, sorry.

 

[gn]

so who is fed's potential semifinal opponent, is it either nadal or sascha or do I have that wrong?

Winner of the other group! Likely Tsitsipas or Rafa!

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

No it's not an enjoyable atmosphere. Federer's fans in the crowd are extremely annoying. Djokodal always have a great atmosphere.

Literally always at any point in time, huh.

 

[federrero]

wow - aggressive tennis wins by a big margin, finally!


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Won points summary

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Points won by rally length

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[gn]

@icedevil0289

https://www.nittoatpfinals.com/-/media/images/news/2019/11/13/22/34/semiscenario-tsi2_1920x1080.jpg

 

[Antonio Puente]

Brilliant analysis.

Sure, unlike me, you had faith in Fed the whole time.

From three pages ago:

You can imagine some of us Fed fans aren't confident Fed can close this out.

Lol

 

[Nadal15thslam]

Are you watching? Elbow.

It was not an injury, just an awkward twist of his hand. It was just that one time in the match and it wasn't an injury. Didn't affect his game at all.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

@Pheasant should give Federer a 5 percent chance more often.

The new @StrongRule ?!!

 

[icedevil0289]

Winner of the other group! Likely Tsitsipas or Rafa!

ahh idk why i thought it was runner up against runner up. so thiem would face either sascha or medvedev or is medvedev completely out

 

[icedevil0289]

@icedevil0289

https://www.nittoatpfinals.com/-/media/images/news/2019/11/13/22/34/semiscenario-tsi2_1920x1080.jpg

oh this is nice thanks

 

[Mainad]

Who would have thought Djokovic would be out of the tournament just 3 days after crushing Berrettini and looking in superb form to take the title and Y/E #1? Not me.

This is the first WTF he has participated in since 2011 (didn't play 2017) that he has failed to qualify from the Round Robin group.

 

[StrongRule]

@Pheasant should give Federer a 5 percent chance more often.

The new @StrongRule ?!!

No, I'm unique.

 

[gn]

ahh idk why i thought it was runner up against runner up. so thiem would face either sascha or medvedev or is medvedev completely out

If Meds wins in 2 and Rafa loses, Med will face Thiem, Fed will face Tsits!

 

[BeatlesFan]

Edberg always welcome in Federer's box I love that.

@davced1

Did you see Mirka hugging and kissing Stefan after the win? Cute to see.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Djokovic’s forehand is bullying Fed. It’s crazy but at this point of their careers you can argue Djokovic probably has the better forehand. I can’t believe I’m actually saying that.

You were saying?

 

[RaulRamirez]

ahh idk why i thought it was runner up against runner up. so thiem would face either sascha or medvedev or is medvedev completely out

Rafa is in - and would win his group - if he and Med win. If Tsit wins, he wins the group and plays Fed. No scenario has Rafa second in his group.