icedevil0289
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do I want fed to lose to tsitsipas again or nadal again?
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do I want fed to lose to tsitsipas again or nadal again?
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Yes it is.
Considering I feel he is likely playing Schwarztman and Tsitsipas back to back, it seems like a guantlet run for me at his age. Both of those guys are playing well.
King_ Zeglan12
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Djokovic finally hasn't drawn
Nishikori this time
Nishikori this time
Topspin 365
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Looks like Kei has the most challenging draw; Rafa has the easiest.
underground
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He seemed to do well against Schwarztman in practice so let's see how it translates to a real match. Schwartzman has been in terrible form until Rome, let's see if he can keep it up here.
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In b4 he loses in the first round.
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The only thing that can possibly cause him a problem is a fresh Djokovic here. I don't think Thiem goes through both Djokovic and especially Nadal in a final here, especially considering the draw they all have.
Sysyphus
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that is the odds-on scenario, goes without saying
what I laid out is, however, much funnier.
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Well so was Nadal to be honest. Diego is a battler and the fact he took a set from Nadal last year, shows he can play here. Not saying Federer cannot win, he can, but I think Diego will certainly take a lot out of Fed just with his dogged persistence.
Meles
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Just confirming for sure that the RG computer draw was as stupid as it seemed not placing one and two seeds first.
underground
G.O.A.T.
Delpo can easily go out in the 1st round against Jarry here.
NoleFam
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I'm actually not placing Thiem in the SF so fast because Del Potro can upset him. Thiem got shafted. To have to go through Del Potro. Djokovic and Nadal? Hard to imagine that. Djokovic also got shafted....again. I remember in 2015 they gave him a draw from hell then as well.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
to be fair, if someone put nadal in the 4th round against fed, idc if he flopped 1st round of every masters, i would still worry and think fed has very little chances. but i get your point about tiring him out, so even if he does get past him, he faces a super young person who knows what its like to not only face fed in a slam, but beat him and is doing well. w/e when I first found out fed was playing, I thought okay 4th round isgood enough, maybe qf.
Meles
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Speaking of which the off the radar Dzuhmur beat Stanimal in three in Geneva so looks like Stan has no plan.
Checkmate
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Think Novak would prefer KingKygs over Sascha Alexandra if it's a QF bout, especially on clay.
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The only thing I am not sure about with Del Potro is his stamina here. He played great in Rome, but that was like three matches which was BO3, I need to see how he really does up putting him through a series of 5 set matches here. Thiem does have it hard though, and Del Potro making it to the quarters could be the end of Thiem, because I doubt then he will have enough to get past Novak should they play.
TennisFan3
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If Nadal plays well (and that's a big IF), the only player capable of beating him is Djokovic. And I think Djokovic would welcome the opportunity of facing Thiem in the SF. That way he would be battle tested and ready to beat Nadal in the finals. Djokovic always plays better when his level amps up with good opposition.
Lack of rest should not be an issue because of a day's break in between.
Honestly, I think Thiem would probably not even make the SF. So Djokovic might have an easier SF. In that sense, Fed would have been more dangerous for Novak. Since Fed would actually make the SF, and would have an outside chance of even beating Novak (however small). Thiem, OTOH, will either lose before the SF and crap his pants at the sight of a top player and fall apart mentally.
The only thing I see is a titanic battle between Nadal and Djokovic for the RG final. That match might end up deciding if Djokovic becomes the GOAT.
underground
G.O.A.T.
Yep, if you look at Simon's record this year it looks more like someone ranked in the 50-100 region to me.
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I was thinking IF Federer had a better draw, he might have made the semis. But I think quarters is his limit now, and semi here would now be massive considering his path.
underground
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To be fair, the non seeded players have always been computerised. The seeds have been drawn manually today.
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I do feel Nadal has the edge now because of the draw, I expect him to cut through his draw a lot quicker than Djokovic here. Again, with Thiem, remember, he made the last three semis, he will not be easy to put away here.
The have done it manually! Only the non-seeds were randomly chosen by computer, but the seeds were drawn in by a French Olympic champion in Judo.
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icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i mean the end result looks like its going to be the way its been for the past few years, but it owuld have been nice to see fed go as far. w/e get some matches and get ready for grass, roger please.
Meles
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Thx. been waiting for another look. Might as well pick over Nadal's path:The draw:
If Pella is recharged he's actually a tough R16... If Goffin awakes well could be like a quarterfinal for R32. His QF should be very weak, so nice advantage. Really SFs did not matter and Federe in Rafa's head the last few matches, so not really mattering where Thiemerer dropped for top seeds.
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I wonder looking at that draw what Federer realistically wants here.
NoleFam
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Del Potro convinced me in Rome. He's getting ready to play ball. Poor Thiem. Well he made the SF last year and I think he's ready to go. Djokovic has his problems too starting with the 1st round. #12 looks even more likely now.
tennis_pro
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So you're just easily pleased
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icedevil0289
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federer is doing his best to downplay his chances, but you and I had discussed this, idk if part of him wants a surprise run ala AO 2017, except AO and rg are different. i think he said he would be just winning the first few rounds.
TheAssassin
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I wish it would be a repeat of the AO where Nadal's play deceived us all due to a soft road to the final, with Djokovic ending up exposing the false dawn.
But, this is the French Open. So the above will just remain my fantasy.
But, this is the French Open. So the above will just remain my fantasy.
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Correct, we did, and of course he would love to win the title. That is just good 'ol Fed's way to doing things. But this is clay, as you said yourself and his draw is not very kind IMO
icedevil0289
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come july 14th though, trophy or bust for him,
We'll see. For now, all eyes on Paris.
Djokodal Fan
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Novak's draw is full of thorns. Zverev, Thiem, Fog, Agut, Shapavalov, Coric all in his qtr/half. Hope he sails through.
clayqueen
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You could say that. I do have school girl French and colloquial German as I lived in Germany for 3 years.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
lmao its just what I want, most likely it won't be happening. one of my eyes will be on the women's side, the other longing this part of the season to be over.
Meles
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clayqueen
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It's all irrelevant. Thiem beat Rafa before RG in the last 2 years and look what happened at RGNadal avoids Thiem, Tsitsipas and Fognini, all guys who have defeated him on clay this year. Coincidence?
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Post starts good and then you forget cryic walkover in Madrid
You think Thiem beats Del Potro and then Djokovic potentially back to back here? Thiem has a tough draw in my eyes.
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Good for you, at least you have something, because I won't be. I don't watch women's tennis anymore.
tennis_pro
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What's that?
3 years living in Germany and you don't know German fluently? Come on...
I lived in Austria for 3 months and my level skyrocketed.
StrongRule
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Federer has a cakewalk until the semifinals. (unless Tsitsipas starts GOATing, but I doubt it)
The Green Mile
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That's quite a tough draw on paper IMO. A bit of a strenuous path to the title if you ask me. Novak's bounce back ability will be interesting to watch in the upcoming two weeks.
Meles
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LULZ. Thiem has the easiest draw imaginable save not getting Nishikori for QF. Much better off with Djoko for SF and well the early rounds should be an absolute joke for him. Absolutely owns Monfils who will gas himself badly by that juncture any way:
7/2018 SF Buenos Aires Clay Dominic Thiem Gael Monfils 6-2 6-1
10/2017 R16 Indian Wells Masters Hard Dominic Thiem Gael Monfils 6-3 6-2 1.91 - 1.83
45/2016 RR A ATP World Tour Finals I Hard Dominic Thiem Gael Monfils 6-3 1-6 6-4
30/2015 SF Umag Clay Dominic Thiem Gael Monfils 1-6 6-3 6-1 2.70 - 1.42
I'm not so sure Delpo gets to QF:
Jarry first round exceptionally dangerous and gaining form and could possibly win Geneva
2nd round is players with wheels
FAA in round of 32 quite likely; very dangerous player
R16 is easy for Delpo to set him up for Thiem, but doubt it matters.
Delpo emptied tank against Djoko in Rome so not so sure he'll be that resilient at RG. Zverev and Tsitsipas the more dangerous clay court players by far (and yes I know Zverev bad right now, but can't discount 2018 fully).
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