ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Return game looks iffy early.
2019 RG QF: Federer vs Wawrinka
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Deon Sanders
Legend
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
You are being kind. Retarted at best and stubborn at worst.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
Has Mirka whistled yet?
is mirka even there? I demand she be there and where a crybaby t-shirt
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BrokenGears
Guest
Choking on important points on his service games + serving second serves going like 10 miles an hour, at any rate it wasn't 2015 level serving
That's not how it works lmao. You can't measure how much it was balanced in any way, and 2011 Fed on clay was already playing extremely well, in part due to the sped up balls
Doesn't matter, it's an RG SF match that Fed lost against Djokovic proving that it was a fluke especially with non-sped up balls. There's no way that any reasonable person would use RG 2011 as the singular reason as to why peak Fed > peak Novak on clay or anywhere else since it was literally one match and that proves literally nothing.
Raining hopes
Hall of Fame
Gotta say I am impressed with depth of Fraid shots and the pace off of his FH.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Fed sadly seems content to exchange baseline rallies with Stan, hasn't come to net once.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
i'm getting tilted by the fact that Fedor didn't break in the first game
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G.O.A.T.
This argument feels excessively weak. The two have a tied H2H on clay IIRC, and though one would obviously expect Djokovic to win at this stage, and though the 2012 win was far more emphatic, neither match alone necessarily tells us much. What tells us more is that they appear quite evenly matched on a H2H basis on clay, and so one would expect them to trade wins at their best on the surface.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed groundies looks sharp. Playing much better than expected on clay
Had a shot against Nadal in the SF.
Had a shot against Nadal in the SF.
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BrokenGears
Guest
Yes, I've watched the match. It had great rallies and was overall a fun match to watch
And Djokovic was sucking ass in 2016 AO before he played Fed, your point?
I simply have a problem with people claiming that the RG 2011 match somehow proved anything other than that Fed was still very capable of playing peak tennis against his opponents and how it showcases the closeness in the Fedovic rivalry
Sambuccashake
Hall of Fame
Well as long as Fed is not moving Stan around, this is no problem at all for the latter.
Stan(d) and deliver tennis is not what will give Fed the W here.
Stan(d) and deliver tennis is not what will give Fed the W here.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
its so sad, its like you saw mp fly by with that one game and now its like ****. i'm being dramatic i know
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
He's a proper serve machine. Of course that's the only thing he has left. His ground game has become laughable.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I think Fed is very calm and composed. Pete was (in)famous for that "hangdog" expression.
RaulRamirez
Legend
Exaggeration, no?
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
No.
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BrokenGears
Guest
I don't know what you're trying to say? I personally believe peak Djokovic vs peak Fed on clay with normal RG balls is a 50-50 match
Thanks mate will have a look now.
King_ Zeglan12
Professional
Stan's shots are quite booming..
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Fed already 0/2 on BP's.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
No chance against Novak.
Novak will break him at least twice each set. Djokovic ROS is far far better than Nadal's.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Barely. Especially on clay.
Same! So annoying watching the live scores on google, waiting for the refresh to see who on the point
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
i have EuroSport so im laughing
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Stan absolutely crushing the ball and showing no signs of fatigue or nerves. This is not going to be easy for Federer at all.
Feather
Legend
Not as laughable as your posts like this
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
i can never tell how fed is playing based on comments here, does he looks nervous, is it just hanging on to his service game and not doing much with stan's.
Also i rme at anyone who says fed is only serve, it is the basis of his game now that he is much holder and he does need to be serving well for the rest of his game to wkr, but some people here acting like he is karlovic.
Also i rme at anyone who says fed is only serve, it is the basis of his game now that he is much holder and he does need to be serving well for the rest of his game to wkr, but some people here acting like he is karlovic.
abmk
Bionic Poster
he saved 21/25 BPs. got in 21/25 first serves on BPs.
how the f*** is that choking on important points on service games. On the contrary, he was very clutch on important points.
Djokovic won 60+% of 2nd serve points.
that is some absolute cr*p posting from you. Get back in the realm of reality.
you can't say the balls were a bigger factor than what I said either. So mention both or don't mention either. However both are non-negligible factors.
no, it cannot be used as a singular reason. But match was the closest you got prime to prime b/w them on RG.
It is 1 important data point in comparing their peak levels at RG.
another important data point is : Fed being able to hold off a zoning delpo in RG 2009, while djoko was not able to do the same vs a zoning Stan in RG 15.
one adv. for Novak is being able to take Nadal to 5 sets in 2013.
But overall, it could be argued on the basis of above that Fed's peak level at RG is better than Novak's.
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G.O.A.T.
That it wasn't a fluke. That even if I would marginally favour Djokovic even H2H, that Federer would win often enough to show that it's a tight match-up where wins aren't flukes. Fed wasn't a mug who needed all the stars to align to beat Djokovic.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
understatement
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