2019 US Open Women's Final - (8.) SERENA Williams vs. (15.) BIANCA Andreescu

Who wins the women's final?


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Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
in Toronto against Kasatkina she was 5-3 down in the deciding set
I watched that match. The amount of variety and shotmaking was insane. Both players can hit every shot in the book.

I'm a big Kasatkina fan but the issue she still has is she can get slightly passive with her rally ball. You can't do that with Andreescu or she will take over the point.
 

SeeingDusk

Hall of Fame
Are you guys the same ones that said that Genie had a bit of 'extra' around her waist? Genie fell for that and lost a lot of weight (and power) and then you all criticized her. (OK, Genie was never a Bianca in level of play.)

Why don't we let the good tennis players play and control irrelevant comments about their body shape?
never commented on any player's aesthetics before. only comment i made was up there, about bianca being cute.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
I think @Meles predicted the men's final participants as well.

A few weeks before USO he had a long post about Nadal and Moya retooling for more success on grass and hardcourt, and that Nadal may start winning more on those surfaces.

He also posted about US Open conditions suiting Nadal after reading info about the surface underlay.

He was quite bullish about Medvedev's chances weeks out from the start of the tournament.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
@christophclarey
·"I believe I could have just been more Serena today. I honestly don't think Serena showed up. I have to kind of figure out how to get her to show up in Grand Slam finals" - Serena Williams, 0-4 in her last four major finals
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
That would impact the money she makes from sponsorship, not her prize money Badabing888 mentioned. Everyone pays taxes according to the country hosting the tournament.
I don't see how a U.S. tournament can dictate how a foreign player pays taxes. That is likely decided by the Canadian government.
 

marc45

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@BellshawGeorge

·'All of it honestly, truly is super frustrating. I’m, like, so close, so close, so close, yet so far away.' Serena Williams didn't hide her frustration after her latest Grand Slam final defeat
 

albertobra

Hall of Fame
Why didn't Serena use catsuit in the final? In all the other matches she used it, she won.
I liked her speech, very graceful.
Bianca was amazing though, impressive focus for her age.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Why didn't Serena use catsuit in the final? In all the other matches she used it, she won.
I liked her speech, very graceful.
Bianca was amazing though, impressive focus for her age.
No, she used an outfit where all sweat were shown, more areas than just under arm sweat. See through as well.
Nike making really bad outfits these days. Biancas, the woman style of the one Dimi wore, didnt look much better. Homemade kids superhero style outfit.
 
I don't see how a U.S. tournament can dictate how a foreign player pays taxes. That is likely decided by the Canadian government.
The U.S. tournament can't. The U.S. government does. The Canadian government does it with the prize money at the Rogers Cup, just like the French government does at the French Open.

Google it for yourself if you don't believe me.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
The U.S. tournament can't. The U.S. government does. The Canadian government does it with the prize money at the Rogers Cup, just like the French government does at the French Open.

Google it for yourself if you don't believe me.
Not doubting you. Just trying to figure out how it works. Sounds like an agreement between the U.S. and Canadian governments
whereby a Canadian player's U.S. Open tournament income is taxed at the same rate as a U.S. citizen. And nothing more than that, regardless of whether or not Canada's tax rate is higher.

Is that how it works?
 

Mark-Touch

Professional
Well done Andreescu, you played a fantastic match! :cool:
Overall without a doubt!
For a set and a half she was super.
Never saw her that focused before in the past year and a half.

Then she went into 'ugly' mode, where she lost it for a few games, letting Serena back in the match.
Fortunately she pulled herself out of it to finish the match finally. :)
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Well done Bianca !
Knew that if she kept her head, she would probably win vs the current Serena ...and that's what happened.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
Overall without a doubt!
For a set and a half she was super.
Never saw her that focused before in the past year and a half.

Then she went into 'ugly' mode, where she lost it for a few games, letting Serena back in the match.
Fortunately she pulled herself out of it to finish the match finally. :)
If it had gone to a third set, it was anyone's match. Might have to give the edge to Serena, especially with that hostile crowd loudly against Bianca.
Would have dwarfed the 40-15 Wimbledon choke.
5-1 :(
 
Not doubting you. Just trying to figure out how it works. Sounds like an agreement between the U.S. and Canadian governments
whereby a Canadian player's U.S. Open tournament income is taxed at the same rate as a U.S. citizen. And nothing more than that, regardless of whether or not Canada's tax rate is higher.

Is that how it works?
I'm not sure about agreements, but I have to assume that all governments have guidelines for pro athletes winning prize money in their country, and how tournaments manage the money, pretty much like any employer would.

All players at the US Open, regardless of their nationality, have to pay taxes to the US government and the state government just like any other worker in New York would. I have always assumed that players had to get an amputated check where taxes were already taken off, because I can't imagine any of them having to fill a tax report in 20 countries or so every year, ie one tax report per country where they earn a prize money.

When it's the French Open, again, all players are subjected to the same taxes than French workers would, and not only the French player, same with Australian Open, etc. It's not a specific agreement between governments of all countries involved in a sport, but rather within a country between the tournament organizers and the government of the country the tournament is played in.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
I'm not sure about agreements, but I have to assume that all governments have guidelines for pro athletes winning prize money in their country, and how tournaments manage the money, pretty much like any employer would.

All players at the US Open, regardless of their nationality, have to pay taxes to the US government and the state government just like any other worker in New York would. I have always assumed that players had to get an amputated check where taxes were already taken off, because I can't imagine any of them having to fill a tax report in 20 countries or so every year, ie one tax report per country where they earn a prize money.
I understand that part... But when the Canadian player goes home, does he not get taxed on his U.S. tournament prize winnings by the Canadian government?
 
I understand that part... But when the Canadian player goes home, does he not get taxed on his U.S. tournament prize winnings by the Canadian government?
No, because it was not earned in Canada. The Canadian player gets to keep everything that's left after the U.S. taxes were paid for.

In other words, the money only gets taxed once, in the original country it was earned, and not in the country the player resides in.

The reason why players often switch country of residence has to do with money earned from sponsorships.
 

zvelf

Semi-Pro
what about Serena ?? she is still hungry to break the Margaret court record ... and also at French open and Wimbledon, Bianca's game doesnt' seem like it is as effective
It's going to be difficult. The WTA is finally gaining depth and Serena is not getting any younger. There are probably 5 players on tour now who can beat Serena more often than not if they are having a good day and Serena is having a good day.
 

zvelf

Semi-Pro
Serena was clearly outplayed on the baseline game,, but serena really shot herself on the foot by serving totally crappy..... Evidence being when she served well down 1-5, she won 4 games in a row. you have to wonder what would have happened if she Served like that the entire match ?????
I think Serena still would have lost if Andreescu kept at the level she had been playing before. Bianca got rattled during those 4 games, lost focus briefly, and played some loose points. Otherwise, she would have held her serve and at worst, gone into a tiebreak while overall playing the steadier and more mentally focused game.
 

celito

Rookie
Well done Andreescu !

Serena jumping over that ball that went long was cringe worthy. Ball was never going to hit her. She just likes being over dramatic.
 

zvelf

Semi-Pro
Osaka also has the crosscourt FH as a very dangerous shot. She can hit a winner from anywhere on the court with that shot in defence or offence and she is fearless with it. She can be on the full run two feet behind the baseline and peg the winner.

Another dangerous player for Serena at AO are players like Anisimova and Kenin. Both are capable of getting hot for two sets and outhitting anyone on slow-medium hardcourt. Kenin is like Andreescu in that she is already very advanced in tactics and shot selection despite her age.
Yeah, Anisimova and Kenin as both big threats. Serena doesn't move like she used to and she's also a little lazy and fails to take stutter steps to get in a better position so doesn't end up hitting as good a shot as she could. Great movers with strong ball striking gives her problems. Going forward, I see Andreescu, Osaka, and Halep beating Serena more often than not. If Anisimova and Kenin keep improving, they will soon get to that point too. Barty and Bencic are also on that cusp.
 
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gogo

Hall of Fame
Well done Andreescu !

Serena jumping over that ball that went long was cringe worthy. Ball was never going to hit her. She just likes being over dramatic.
I agree with congrats to Bianca.
I think that you are predisposed to dislike anything Serena does. If anyone else jumped over that ball, I'm guessing you wouldn't have noticed/cared. It wasn't significant. Let it go.
 

Subway Tennis

Hall of Fame
I really like Andreescu's coach :)

Does anyone know anything about her?

I've never seen her before she started coaching Andreescu. She seems pretty young. Is there a possibility she started her coaching career when Andreescu started her pro career?

She has an extremely relaxed look and seems very sanguine and calm whenever I have seen her.
 
It was so great seeing all the pretentious celebrities (like Megan Markle) show up for this match thinking it was going to be a big Serena Love Fest. I'm sure ****** bag Spike Lee was there too.

As Serena danced around the court being hailed as the greatest women's player of all time, the camera was supposed to pan around the crowd, showing all the Black celebrities gloating like they had some part in her success.

But their hero is now old and fat and shouldn't be wearing skin-tight clothing. A sweaty mess with rolls around her middle.

Some things were not meant to be.

Long Live Stefi Graf.
 
It was so great seeing all the pretentious celebrities (like Megan Markle) show up for this match thinking it was going to be a big Serena Love Fest. I'm sure ****** bag Spike Lee was there too.

As Serena danced around the court being hailed as the greatest women's player of all time, the camera was supposed to pan around the crowd, showing all the Black celebrities gloating like they had some part in her success.

But their hero is now old and fat and shouldn't be wearing skin-tight clothing. A sweaty mess with rolls around her middle.

Some things were not meant to be.

Long Live Stefi Graf.
You sound like a racist to me. White celebrities (Anna Wintour) were rooting for her too. You need to stop being you.
 
I really like Andreescu's coach :)

Does anyone know anything about her?

I've never seen her before she started coaching Andreescu. She seems pretty young. Is there a possibility she started her coaching career when Andreescu started her pro career?

She has an extremely relaxed look and seems very sanguine and calm whenever I have seen her.
I think you are confusing her fitness trainer Virginie Tremblay, who did assume coaching duties but only in Aukland since her actual coach was unable to make the trip. Edit: but since you wonder, she played tennis as a junior, though maybe not at an international level. She consulted regularly with the actual coach in Aukland.

Sylvain Bruneau is her coach and responsible for turning her from a hard hitter into the player with an intricate game she is now.
 

vernonbc

Legend
No, because it was not earned in Canada. The Canadian player gets to keep everything that's left after the U.S. taxes were paid for.

In other words, the money only gets taxed once, in the original country it was earned, and not in the country the player resides in.

The reason why players often switch country of residence has to do with money earned from sponsorships.
Boy, I sure hope you're not an accountant doing taxes for anyone. Bianca would have to fill out her tax return claiming all her income, less expenses incurred to earn that income, and pay tax on the net amount less a credit for taxes she paid in other countries with which Canada has a tax treaty. It's all very complicated but the formula is basically what I laid out.
 

FedrMatt

New User
Boy, I sure hope you're not an accountant doing taxes for anyone. Bianca would have to fill out her tax return claiming all her income, less expenses incurred to earn that income, and pay tax on the net amount less a credit for taxes she paid in other countries with which Canada has a tax treaty. It's all very complicated but the formula is basically what I laid out.
Accounting and finance sophomore here. Can confirm this is correct.

We learnt this is our first semester haha
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
Boy, I sure hope you're not an accountant doing taxes for anyone. Bianca would have to fill out her tax return claiming all her income, less expenses incurred to earn that income, and pay tax on the net amount less a credit for taxes she paid in other countries with which Canada has a tax treaty. It's all very complicated but the formula is basically what I laid out.
And because the Canadian tax rate is generally higher, she 'll likely get a credit for the entire amount paid to the IRS.
 

Beacon Hill

Hall of Fame
Canada takes a lot in taxes, she better move.
Exactly. Canada provided her and her family with citizenship and opportunities, and funded her junior tennis career. But why bother giving back now that she is able to earn a lot of money. Life is about taking all that you can, and giving as little as possible.
 
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