2021 Miami Open Final: Ashleigh Barty vs Bianca Andreescu

Who will win 2021 Miami Open?


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SeeingDusk

Hall of Fame
Bianca retires from ankle injury. Maybe a smart choice. Not worth playing a few more games to risk further injury, especially being down a set and 0-4.

She just can’t catch a break. Finally came back from all the injuries and now injured again. Maybe playing so many tough 3 setters led to that. Hoping this injury isn’t too bad though and that she will recover and come back stronger and better.

With all that said, congrats to Barty for her 2nd Miami title. She’s played way too good this week and definitely deserves the title.
 

FakeEmpire

Professional
Me, a Del Potro fan, watching Andreescu's career unfolding...
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Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
Andreescu is a fantastic talent, literally one of the only women I've ever seen who has everything: power, variations, touch, net game. She's even kind of a natural athlete. But she just doesn't look like she takes care of her fitness like a pro. This isn't about body shaming and I mean no disrespect - I'll even refrain from using the F-word - but she's just not in professional shape. She needs to change her nutrition and training regimen stat, or she'll never live up to her full potential.
 

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Andreescu is a fantastic talent, literally one of the only women I've ever seen who has everything: power, variations, touch, net game. She's even kind of a natural athlete. But she just doesn't look like she takes care of her fitness like a pro. This isn't about body shaming and I mean no disrespect - I'll even refrain from using the F-word - but she's just not in professional shape. She needs to change her nutrition and training regimen stat, or she'll never live up to her full potential.

Her body is incredible so idk what you’re looking at. She’s in MUCH better shape than 2019
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Andreescu is a fantastic talent, literally one of the only women I've ever seen who has everything: power, variations, touch, net game. She's even kind of a natural athlete. But she just doesn't look like she takes care of her fitness like a pro. This isn't about body shaming and I mean no disrespect - I'll even refrain from using the F-word - but she's just not in professional shape. She needs to change her nutrition and training regimen stat, or she'll never live up to her full potential.
That's part of it, and that's why these guys need to beg Hingis to coach her.

You don't move like this when you're prone to injury.


Ridiculous. Three slam champions, and they're all moving like they've never never won a slam in their life. And I'm tired of hearing Barty scrape her racket on the ground with that fake Novotna slice.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
TBH she was already out of sorts before the fall, I'm thinking Barty would have won this either way.
It certainly looked that way.

Andreescu was a bit flat. It's possible that she would have done the Andreescu thing and suddenly turned it up to 11 and taken the second set but as she has before, but we'll never know. It would have been difficult, but you can't ever rule anything out.

Barty was her steady, solid self, credit to her. Part of the reason Andreescu was flat was how solid Barty was playing. Disappointing end to a pretty good tournament.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
Is Bianca the female Nishikori?
Not sure what you mean by that.

Nishikori's a very good mover, hits with a bit of variety, good returner.

I would say, relative to their respective tours - Bianca also hits with a lot more variety than most of her peers, is a solid returner - though there are many on the WTA, and is a solid mover - though there are better on the WTA.

She's also had more success in her much shorter career.

Nishikori is 0-1 in slam finals, 0-4 in Masters finals. Bianca is 1-0 in slam finals, now 2-1 in WTA 1000 finals.
 

romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Not sure what you mean by that.

Nishikori's a very good mover, hits with a bit of variety, good returner.

I would say, relative to their respective tours - Bianca also hits with a lot more variety than most of her peers, is a solid returner - though there are many on the WTA, and is a solid mover - though there are better on the WTA.

She's also had more success in her much shorter career.

Nishikori is 0-1 in slam finals, 0-4 in Masters finals. Bianca is 1-0 in slam finals, now 2-1 in WTA 1000 finals.

Pretty sure he was referring to the always injured aspect
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
Her body is incredible
Look I won't get into aesthetic preferences (though it seems we don't really see eye-2-eye there either), but she's carrying around several percentage points of extra body fat. I'd say compare with a Halep, Giorgi, Sakkari or Linette to see what a top-level athlete looks like. But I'll grant you those are different body types. So look at a Brady, a Bertens or a Kerber, who also tended to get bigger early on, and look at the amazing strides they made after dropping the pounds. On the other hand, look at a Townsend, another once-in-a-generation kind of talent who never made the effort, and now is content playing ITFs and club doubles.
 
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romeo8880

G.O.A.T.
Look I won't get into aesthetic preferences (though it seems we don't really see eye-2-eye there either), but she's carrying around several percentage points of extra body fat. I'd say compare with a Halep, Giorgi, Sakkari or Linette to see what a top-level athlete looks like. But I'll grant you those are different body types. So look at a Brady, a Bertens or a Kerber, who also tended to get bigger early on, and look at the amazing strides they made after dropping the pounds. On the other hand, look at a Townsend, another once-in-a-generation kind of talent who never made the effort, and now is content playing ITFs and club doubles.

Strongly disagree. She used to be but now she looks incredible.
 

ScentOfDefeat

G.O.A.T.
Wimbledon 2021: a meteorite wipes out everyone specifically at the All-England Club except Barty, who had gone out to buy some socks.
She is crowned Wimbledon champion and remains world number 1 for at least 5 more years, until the rest of the tour catches up. <3
 

aussie

Professional
Amazing how so much is written on these boards about how incredible Andreescu is and very little credit given to Barty.

It's obvious what a wonderful talent Andreescu is with the power and variety she has and the wonderful future she has. Yes she has had some injuries and whether that is because of fitness, anatomical deficiencies of just bad luck, time will tell. The women's tour needs her and the game she possesses so we all wish her well.

But it just seems like Barty is dismissed as a not so talented player who gets lucky when the draw opens up during tournament runs or Covid intervenes and once again she is deemed "lucky" to still be number 1 in the rankings and so on.

I think that because she is not the most powerful player with the heaviest strokes on the tour, or the quickest mover, or has the most variety, or so on, she is discounted. Fact is, she does most things very well and with a minimum of fuss.

She doesn't obviously blast opponents off the court but dismantles their games. She slices and dices, she probes and manipulates, changes the tempo and her ability to think on the run, to work it out, to come up with a plan B during a match is well known. Those tactical adjustments throughout a match are not as obvious as suddenly blasting groundstroke winners but they are just as effective as her results have shown.

And her power is underrated. Barty took most of 2020 off because of the pandemic and only got into serious training around October. This coincided with the decision to ditch the full poly setup and implement a gut/poly hybrid, ostensibly to get more power into her game.

I think it's quite apparent that her lack of play in 2020 and the shift to a different string set up contributed to her somewhat indifferent performances through the Australian summer and even now is not completely resolved.

It is noticeable that her serves and groundstroke game have more power than previously but at a cost of slightly more inconsistency. It will be interesting to watch her game moving forward and whether her evolving game can keep her at the top of the rankings.

I really look forward to seeing her at Wimbledon where her game will make her a big threat, although her winning the French two years ago showed she is no slouch on the clay.

Anyway, kudos to Ash, well done, well deserved - and isn't it great to see a top level player barely make a sound on the court! No grunts, no shrieks, no histrionics, no disrespect, no excuses. Well done.
 

nounforcederrors

Hall of Fame
Amazing how so much is written on these boards about how incredible Andreescu is and very little credit given to Barty.

It's obvious what a wonderful talent Andreescu is with the power and variety she has and the wonderful future she has. Yes she has had some injuries and whether that is because of fitness, anatomical deficiencies of just bad luck, time will tell. The women's tour needs her and the game she possesses so we all wish her well.

But it just seems like Barty is dismissed as a not so talented player who gets lucky when the draw opens up during tournament runs or Covid intervenes and once again she is deemed "lucky" to still be number 1 in the rankings and so on.

I think that because she is not the most powerful player with the heaviest strokes on the tour, or the quickest mover, or has the most variety, or so on, she is discounted. Fact is, she does most things very well and with a minimum of fuss.

She doesn't obviously blast opponents off the court but dismantles their games. She slices and dices, she probes and manipulates, changes the tempo and her ability to think on the run, to work it out, to come up with a plan B during a match is well known. Those tactical adjustments throughout a match are not as obvious as suddenly blasting groundstroke winners but they are just as effective as her results have shown.

And her power is underrated. Barty took most of 2020 off because of the pandemic and only got into serious training around October. This coincided with the decision to ditch the full poly setup and implement a gut/poly hybrid, ostensibly to get more power into her game.

I think it's quite apparent that her lack of play in 2020 and the shift to a different string set up contributed to her somewhat indifferent performances through the Australian summer and even now is not completely resolved.

It is noticeable that her serves and groundstroke game have more power than previously but at a cost of slightly more inconsistency. It will be interesting to watch her game moving forward and whether her evolving game can keep her at the top of the rankings.

I really look forward to seeing her at Wimbledon where her game will make her a big threat, although her winning the French two years ago showed she is no slouch on the clay.

Anyway, kudos to Ash, well done, well deserved - and isn't it great to see a top level player barely make a sound on the court! No grunts, no shrieks, no histrionics, no disrespect, no excuses. Well done.
Agree with every point you made. Yes, talented and refreshing - no BS, just professional performance. Remains calm because even when she loses a match, "the sun will still come up the next day," as she has stated. Puts victories and defeats in perspective. That's maturity.
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
Amazing how so much is written on these boards about how incredible Andreescu is and very little credit given to Barty.

It's obvious what a wonderful talent Andreescu is with the power and variety she has and the wonderful future she has. Yes she has had some injuries and whether that is because of fitness, anatomical deficiencies of just bad luck, time will tell. The women's tour needs her and the game she possesses so we all wish her well.

But it just seems like Barty is dismissed as a not so talented player who gets lucky when the draw opens up during tournament runs or Covid intervenes and once again she is deemed "lucky" to still be number 1 in the rankings and so on.
It's an interesting contrast and it's sad that it didn't get to play out more today.

I think it's more than Andreescu has a bigger personality and combine that with a interesting game. Also, her matches tend to be more interesting - often some drama, comebacks, etc. She's fun to watch and some of her matches are pretty epic - especially if you go back to Indian Wells 2019. It always feels there's the possibility of getting a real show with an Andreescu match.

Barty is a little bit the opposite. Obviously, she's pretty low key, minimal drama, no yelling. There's not much personality to latch on to. Also, she's efficient, rather than flashy - which generally works in her favor, result-wise. She's not as fun to watch.

However, she is an excellent player - exactly for those reasons. She's got as much variety as Andreescu, pretty much, but isn't flashy about it and uses it far more sparingly. Frankly, just casually watching her, it's hard to figure out how she's winning. She plays smart, efficient tennis.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Amazing how so much is written on these boards about how incredible Andreescu is and very little credit given to Barty.

It's obvious what a wonderful talent Andreescu is with the power and variety she has and the wonderful future she has. Yes she has had some injuries and whether that is because of fitness, anatomical deficiencies of just bad luck, time will tell. The women's tour needs her and the game she possesses so we all wish her well.

But it just seems like Barty is dismissed as a not so talented player who gets lucky when the draw opens up during tournament runs or Covid intervenes and once again she is deemed "lucky" to still be number 1 in the rankings and so on.

I think that because she is not the most powerful player with the heaviest strokes on the tour, or the quickest mover, or has the most variety, or so on, she is discounted. Fact is, she does most things very well and with a minimum of fuss.

She doesn't obviously blast opponents off the court but dismantles their games. She slices and dices, she probes and manipulates, changes the tempo and her ability to think on the run, to work it out, to come up with a plan B during a match is well known. Those tactical adjustments throughout a match are not as obvious as suddenly blasting groundstroke winners but they are just as effective as her results have shown.

And her power is underrated. Barty took most of 2020 off because of the pandemic and only got into serious training around October. This coincided with the decision to ditch the full poly setup and implement a gut/poly hybrid, ostensibly to get more power into her game.

I think it's quite apparent that her lack of play in 2020 and the shift to a different string set up contributed to her somewhat indifferent performances through the Australian summer and even now is not completely resolved.

It is noticeable that her serves and groundstroke game have more power than previously but at a cost of slightly more inconsistency. It will be interesting to watch her game moving forward and whether her evolving game can keep her at the top of the rankings.

I really look forward to seeing her at Wimbledon where her game will make her a big threat, although her winning the French two years ago showed she is no slouch on the clay.

Anyway, kudos to Ash, well done, well deserved - and isn't it great to see a top level player barely make a sound on the court! No grunts, no shrieks, no histrionics, no disrespect, no excuses. Well done.

Right on (y)

I've been wondering when a generation of decent all-court players will come along and send the baseline zombies of the WTA back to the drawing board. I was always a fan of Aggie Radwanska - she was beyond clever and creative out there, but she could have used just an extra smidgeon of power in her game to help her with neutralizing stronger opponents.

Ash isn't quite the wingnut with a racquet compared with Aggie, but she has decent power and a complete skill set that let her make trouble from everywhere on the court. Watching her thrive like this has been much fun and she had to stick with it over the long haul to become a great player. A class act, too. Love that lady!!

I can also say that some of my family and I were truly inspired by the match that Ash played in Miami with Victoria Azarenka. The quality of that tennis was something that I haven't seen in a WTA match in a LONG time. Hoping for a trend... hoping...
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Amazing how so much is written on these boards about how incredible Andreescu is and very little credit given to Barty.

It's obvious what a wonderful talent Andreescu is with the power and variety she has and the wonderful future she has. Yes she has had some injuries and whether that is because of fitness, anatomical deficiencies of just bad luck, time will tell. The women's tour needs her and the game she possesses so we all wish her well.

But it just seems like Barty is dismissed as a not so talented player who gets lucky when the draw opens up during tournament runs or Covid intervenes and once again she is deemed "lucky" to still be number 1 in the rankings and so on.

I think that because she is not the most powerful player with the heaviest strokes on the tour, or the quickest mover, or has the most variety, or so on, she is discounted. Fact is, she does most things very well and with a minimum of fuss.

She doesn't obviously blast opponents off the court but dismantles their games. She slices and dices, she probes and manipulates, changes the tempo and her ability to think on the run, to work it out, to come up with a plan B during a match is well known. Those tactical adjustments throughout a match are not as obvious as suddenly blasting groundstroke winners but they are just as effective as her results have shown.

And her power is underrated. Barty took most of 2020 off because of the pandemic and only got into serious training around October. This coincided with the decision to ditch the full poly setup and implement a gut/poly hybrid, ostensibly to get more power into her game.

I think it's quite apparent that her lack of play in 2020 and the shift to a different string set up contributed to her somewhat indifferent performances through the Australian summer and even now is not completely resolved.

It is noticeable that her serves and groundstroke game have more power than previously but at a cost of slightly more inconsistency. It will be interesting to watch her game moving forward and whether her evolving game can keep her at the top of the rankings.

I really look forward to seeing her at Wimbledon where her game will make her a big threat, although her winning the French two years ago showed she is no slouch on the clay.

Anyway, kudos to Ash, well done, well deserved - and isn't it great to see a top level player barely make a sound on the court! No grunts, no shrieks, no histrionics, no disrespect, no excuses. Well done.


I picked Barty to win the tournament at the beginning of it. I briefly considered picking Andreescu in the final, but decided to stick with Barty all the way through.
 

drkvader

New User
And does not take 10 minute bathroom breaks or fake injury any time she is losing
Didn't know you were a doctor and good diagnosis someone's injury from watching a TV. If bathroom breaks are allowed then what seems to be the problem? You sound like a very nasty person to be around and seeing that you're American I can understand why.
 

Gizo

Hall of Fame
It was a shame how the tournament ended, and was frustrating to see that Andreescu has suffered even more injury problems. I hope her time on the sidelines is as short as possible. Well done to Barty for defending her title.

There were plenty of enjoyable matches during the tournament such as Muguruza-Kalinskaya in R3, Sakkari-Pegula in R4, several of Andreescu's matches etc.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
When Andreescu is not injured which now is quite in frequent and then has not a two week layoff but many months of healing and recovery till her next tournament; she does well after getting back and go deep into a tournament draw like this tournament. If the rankings continue as they are for being injured, I can see her being #2, #3 in time, and maybe even #1!
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
You sound like a very nasty person to be around and seeing that you're American I can understand why.
Good ol', vintage xenophobia. The human race keeps on progressing.

When Andreescu is not injured which now is quite in frequent and then has not a two week layoff but many months of healing and recovery till her next tournament; she does well after getting back and go deep into a tournament draw like this tournament. If the rankings continue as they are for being injured, I can see her being #2, #3 in time, and maybe even #1!
Again, Hingis had worse ankle injuries (double surgeries) and played through 80% of her inflicted years, not even mentioning all her other injuries. Even made a couple slam finals while her surgeried ankles were failing her. I like this wishful thinking, but it's not getting Andreescu anywhere near an ATG debate.

While she's falling on the ground over her poor form, she needs to remember why she chose to do this job. It's not fun when you're losing, and it wasn't fun for Hingis when she was losing, but there's a clear difference in willpower here.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
It was a shame how the tournament ended, and was frustrating to see that Andreescu has suffered even more injury problems. I hope her time on the sidelines is as short as possible. Well done to Barty for defending her title.

There were plenty of enjoyable matches during the tournament such as Muguruza-Kalinskaya in R3, Sakkari-Pegula in R4, several of Andreescu's matches etc.
While in my opinion Barty had a cake draw, with the exception of Sabalenka (For example Svitolina was injured and couldn't hit the ball hard etc)
 

diggler

Hall of Fame
I must admit I am surprised by how this panned out. Barty was meant to be the fake number 1 as Osaka would rightfully take her crown. Barty is down match point against a nobody yet at the end of the week Barty gets the chocolates. How bizarre.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
I must admit I am surprised by how this panned out. Barty was meant to be the fake number 1 as Osaka would rightfully take her crown. Barty is down match point against a nobody yet at the end of the week Barty gets the chocolates. How bizarre.
She still is a fake #1. She's not even grinding at tons of lesser tourneys like you-know-who. This is literally a carryover from 2019.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
No I don't know who.

She turned up. Osaka lost and Barty won.
Hingis, though let me not involve proven ATGs in this junior players discussion. Why would I care about Osaka when she can't beat a 16 year old? Why would I care about anyone?

On to more-current matters. It's one tournament. Barty has a year of auspiciously frozen results to make up for. We'll see how #1 she is, come next January.
 

diggler

Hall of Fame
Hingis, though let me not involve proven ATGs in this junior players discussion. Why would I care about Osaka when she can't beat a 16 year old? Why would I care about anyone?

On to more-current matters. It's one tournament. Barty has a year of auspiciously frozen results to make up for. We'll see how #1 she is, come next January.
I totally expected Osaka to claim her rightful place at number 1.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
I totally expected Osaka to claim her rightful place at number 1.
Osaka can't win any majors like Miami if her draw is halfway-decently strong, and she's recently lucked out in slams with weak draws. If you made this a thread, it'd be removed. But I'll tell you the truth they don't want anyone to hear. Osaka would've been ejected had she run into Serena a round or two before she did in Melbourne. Serena's age caught up to her after back-to-back, hard-fought matches against opponents who played better than Osaka when Osaka played Serena. Put Osaka against the Serena who beat Potapova, and tell me she'd win the Australian. Not happening.
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
Osaka can't win any majors like Miami if her draw is halfway-decently strong, and she's recently lucked out in slams with weak draws. If you made this a thread, it'd be removed. But I'll tell you the truth they don't want anyone to hear. Osaka would've been ejected had she run into Serena a round or two before she did in Melbourne. Serena's age caught up to her after back-to-back, hard-fought matches against opponents who played better than Osaka when Osaka played Serena. Put Osaka against the Serena who beat Potapova, and tell me she'd win the Australian. Not happening.

The Osaka who beat Serena at the Australian would have beaten Serena at any round of the Australian. After the first 3 games, Osaka trounced her.
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
I explained why that happened.

And you're wrong. Neither Sabalenka nor Halep played better than Osaka. And Osaka can't win "if her draw is half-way decently strong"? Osaka beat a dangerous Jabeur, a prime Muguruza, Hsieh Su-Wei, whom no one ever wants to face, Serena Williams, and a peaking Jennifer Brady. That right there is a half-way decently strong draw.
 

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Most of the WTA top players are not consistent player with the exception of Barty! Many loose to unseeded player and players ranked in the 100-150 ranking all the time now! LOL!
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
I never said that.

Yes you did. Your exact words: "Serena's age caught up to her after back-to-back, hard-fought matches against opponents who played better than Osaka when Osaka played Serena".

And how do you know Brady's peaking? I won't even bring up the others.

How is Brady not peaking? When has she ever reached a slam final before? At the same time, she reached her highest ranking ever.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Yes you did. Your exact words: "Serena's age caught up to her after back-to-back, hard-fought matches against opponents who played better than Osaka when Osaka played Serena".



How is Brady not peaking? When has she ever reached a slam final before? At the same time, she reached her highest ranking ever.
I never mentioned those two players.

You can't tell when a player's peaking until they're evidently slumping afterwards.
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
I never mentioned those two players.

Then which two players at the Australian gave Serena hard-fought back-to-back matches AND were better than Osaka and were not Sabalenka and Halep?

You can't tell when a player's peaking until they're evidently slumping afterwards.

If Brady has never played better than she did then, she was peaking.
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
Then which two players at the Australian gave Serena hard-fought back-to-back matches AND were better than Osaka and were not Sabalenka and Halep?



If Brady has never played better than she did then, she was peaking.
Wait, I thought Potapova was third to last? I don't remember, man...these players suck!

No, and you shouldn't take one tournament as a sign of anything. We'll see if we hear from her in--something past 'Round of 64'.
 
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