How did Rafael Nadal beat Novak Djokovic in the 2013 US Open Final?

[swordtennis]

Title really should be:
How did Stanimal and Rafael Nadal beat Novak Djokovic in the 2013 US Open Final?

 

[Noelan]

Title really should be:
How did Stanimal and Rafael Nadal beat Novak Djokovic in the 2013 US Open Final?

That was really tough match for Djokovic, and ugly one..

 

[Tennisanity]

actually federer started off ok in that cincy match winning the first set. He only played cr*p from near the ending stages of set 2.

djoko played more than decent tennis in montreal 13 -- clearly better than dodig in canada and fish in cincy in 11.
Isner was playing well in cincy 13 as well, having taken out djoko in the QF.

djoko was no doubt better in 2011 USO. 13 was a match of 2 halves for him, he played well in one half ( sets 2 and 3 ) and cr*p in the other half. nadal did well to dig himself out of the 3rd set. But nadal was better in 2013 USO.

del potro in IW ? it wasn't choking. He was worn out by the 3 setters vs djoko and murray in the rounds before. which is why I said its debatable - even though he won IW in 13 and "only" reached the final in 11.

My initial post was about USO11 vs. USO13. Nadal only won USO 13 because Djoko played horribly in that match. That Nadal was even getting sets of Djoko in 2011 showed that Nadal was better at USO in 2011 than 2013. Heck I would go so far as to say Nadal was not impressive in the USO13 final at all - leading up to that in previous HC events he was.

 

[swordtennis]

That was really tough match for Djokovic, and ugly one..

He was completely fried after that final.

 

[Noelan]

He was completely fried after that final.

Yeah I know , was cooked after that semi, couldn't finished Waw. Remember that 23min game that he won
Still Nadal played great, that is.

 

[swordtennis]

Yeah I know , was cooked after that semi, couldn't finished Waw. Remember that 23min game that he won
Still Nadal played great, that is.

Only way Djokovic was beating Nadal was if he showed up 2011 US Open style.

 

[Noelan]

Only way Djokovic was beating Nadal was if he showed up 2011 US Open style.

Well , that's (USO13) what bloody RG13 done to Novak.Horrible play and mentaly wrecked

 

[swordtennis]

Well , that's (USO13) what bloody RG13 done to Novak.Horrible play and mentaly wrecked

2013 and first half of 2014 almost ruined his career at the majors.
His momentum of the 2011 run ended in that 4th set of the AO 2012.
The first 2 sets were 2011 beast mode Djokovic.
Then you could see it he just hit the wall it was over just like that he basically just gutted out that win due to his mental edge over Nadal he had at the time.
Then he got solved by the big guns then started choking in the majors and basically was a train wreck after that FO 2014.
That Wimbledon 2014 win saved his career in the majors. I give Becker credit for that.
If Djokovic did not have Becker Federer wins that match in 4 sets.

 

[Noelan]

2013 and first half of 2014 almost ruined his career at the majors.
His momentum of the 2011 run ended in that 4th set of the AO 2012.
The first 2 sets were 2011 beast mode Djokovic.
Then you could see it he just hit the wall it was over just like that he basically just gutted out that win due to his mental edge over Nadal he had at the time.
Then he got solved by the big guns then started choking in the majors and basically was a train wreck after that FO 2014.
That Wimbledon 2014 win saved his career in the majors. I give Becker credit for that.
If Djokovic did not have Becker Federer wins that match in 4 sets.

Thats why Wimbledon 2014 was such significant victory in Djoks career. Could you imagine what would happened if he lost that day

 

[swordtennis]

Thats why Wimbledon 2014 was such significant victory in Djoks career. Could you imagine what would happened if he lost that day

He was done at the majors and prob would be retired by now.

 

[cc0509]

lol, utter delusions... nadal barely escaped 3rd set. djoko was in control.
easy thrashing ? LOL !

post 182 in this thread ? ok, one post from 3.5 years later - with revisionism , as compared to posts at the actual time, stats of those sets and all clearly proving what I said ...ok guess which one wins.

again, you fail to address the actual point : how on earth does djokovic having more UEs mean nadal seemed more aggressive ? I mean, are you like using some common sense out here ?

djokovic was the aggressor and the superior player in sets 2 and 3. nadal just about escaped in set 3..that's the reality.
the 4th set was easy only because djokovic collapsed after losing set 3.


your so called opinion is like me saying :"federer is control in RG 08 final, I don't give a sh*t that about the stats, that he won only 4 games, nadal got lucky ...federer was in control , that's what I saw" ..

if you accept this above, then I'll leave you to your "opinion"

I don't accept any of it. So Novak won one set, big deal. The final scoreline tells the story, i.e.that it was basically a Nadal thrashing of Novak on Novak's beloved hc. I don't know how anybody could watch that match and not conclude that.

Seriously, can we stop this now please. We don't agree. More posts are pointless.

 

[Noelan]

He was done at the majors and prob would be retired by now.

Who knows, even he talked about how he was on verge to give up in mid 2010, then USO and DC came.... So he should be thankful to Jelena (2010) and Federer 2014

 

[abmk]

My initial post was about USO11 vs. USO13. Nadal only won USO 13 because Djoko played horribly in that match. That Nadal was even getting sets of Djoko in 2011 showed that Nadal was better at USO in 2011 than 2013. Heck I would go so far as to say Nadal was not impressive in the USO13 final at all - leading up to that in previous HC events he was.

nadal got 1 set off djoko in USO 11 final and he had to make a monumental effort to get it, he got 3 in 13 final ..so how does that show nadal was better at USO in 11 than in 13 ? he wasn't ..he was better in USO 13 final.

yes, djoko played horribly for half of the match in USO 13 , but not the whole match.

 

[abmk]

I don't accept any of it. So Novak won one set, big deal. The final scoreline tells the story, i.e.that it was basically a Nadal thrashing of Novak on Novak's beloved hc. I don't know how anybody could watch that match and not conclude that.

Seriously, can we stop this now please. We don't agree. More posts are pointless.

again, like I said - you are in absolute denial and delusional. can't even respond to the points made. Instead keep parroting the same thing ....

anyways I'm done here, you are frankly stubborn and delusional in this regard. Atleast others don't pretend to be "objective" ....
you keep calling out people saying they have to stick to the facts when asked for "opinions" as to who is better/greater , yet cannot accept the stats when pointed out to you clearly.

 

[Tennisanity]

nadal got 1 set off djoko in USO 11 final and he had to make a monumental effort to get it, he got 3 in 13 final ..so how does that show nadal was better at USO in 11 than in 13 ? he wasn't ..he was better in USO 13 final.

yes, djoko played horribly for half of the match in USO 13 , but not the whole match.

Because in 2013, Novak was playing level 6 while in 2011 he was playing level 9. Nadal was better in 2011. Even the road to the final Nadal played better competition in 2011 and trounced all.

 

[abmk]

Because in 2013, Novak was playing level 6 while in 2011 he was playing level 9. Nadal was better in 2011. Even the road to the final Nadal played better competition in 2011 and trounced all.

roddick was tired from his match vs ferrer and was out of top 10 at that time, played a mediocre match. nalby didn't play all that well ...the only tougher competition was Murray in 11 - and he beat him in 4 sets , not a trouncing.

nadal had an easier draw in 2013 and used that, was more dominant on the road to the final - was broken only once before the final.

so again, how does djokovic playing clearly less well and losing 3 sets indicate nadal was worse in 13 ? here's a clue : it doesn't.

 

[cc0509]

again, like I said - you are in absolute denial and delusional. can't even respond to the points made. Instead keep parroting the same thing ....

anyways I'm done here, you are frankly stubborn and delusional in this regard. Atleast others don't pretend to be "objective" ....
you keep calling out people saying they have to stick to the facts when asked for "opinions" as to who is better/greater , yet cannot accept the stats when pointed out to you clearly.

This is a funny post coming from you of all people on this forum. I`m stubborn and delusional? I don't lick the boot straps of any player the way you do with Federer.

As for the Djokovic-Nadal 2013 USO final, the only thing that's relevant is that Nadal basically embarrassed Djokovic on Djokovic's best surface on that day. The match wasn't close and the scoreline backs that up.

 

[abmk]

This is a funny post coming from you of all people on this forum. I`m stubborn and delusional? I don't lick the boot straps of any player the way you do with Federer.

As for the Djokovic-Nadal 2013 USO final, the only thing that's relevant is that Nadal basically embarrassed Djokovic on Djokovic's best surface on that day. The match wasn't close and the scoreline backs that up.

no, you just "pretend" to be objective, which is far worse.

Federer is my favorite, but I don't lick his boot straps and don't hide my favoritism unlike you who is attention ***** for your so called objectivity. and keeps shouting about it from rooftops , even though you are nowhere near it.

this thread is about how nadal beat djokovic in that final -- learn to read. Hence the scoreline is not the only relevant thing here.

the one big thing that is relevant is you got embarrassed and completely owned in the conversation, but refused to accept the facts. Sorta like the current president of the US.

oh and if that was embarrassing loss and wasn't close, Djokovic has humiliated your boy Nadal countless times and far worse ...
It was a convincing win for nadal, that's it. But he could easily have lost the 3rd set, something which you are utter denial of ( to a delusional level )

keep using words like the bolded and you'll get served far worse.

 

[DerekNoleFam1]

Not on hc. Nadal's 2013 level on hc was much higher.

Seriously, I was thoroughly entertained by that USO 2013 final. Djokovic was poor in parts but played very well in other parts. Nadal just took it from Djokovic on that day with superior and more aggressive play. It's all good as Djokovic has had the upper hand in their rivalry since that 2013 USO.

Except for the other one that counted, the 2014 RG final. (even if he was sick in the semi and final).
In any event, Nadal did come into that USO match in much better form and higher on confidence.
Realistically I did not think Djoker would win without some luck or Nadal dropping his level at some point, even as a fan, but his capitulation in the last set (after not capitalizing on 3 break points in the 3rd), was not a good ending.

 

[DerekNoleFam1]

2013 and first half of 2014 almost ruined his career at the majors.
His momentum of the 2011 run ended in that 4th set of the AO 2012.
The first 2 sets were 2011 beast mode Djokovic.
Then you could see it he just hit the wall it was over just like that he basically just gutted out that win due to his mental edge over Nadal he had at the time.
Then he got solved by the big guns then started choking in the majors and basically was a train wreck after that FO 2014.
That Wimbledon 2014 win saved his career in the majors. I give Becker credit for that.
If Djokovic did not have Becker Federer wins that match in 4 sets.

Nadal had solved the Djoker riddle at AO 2012, you are correct on that, and his first period of dominance was over.
2014 Wimby saved his career is certainly true, at that point he was 6-7 at Major finals going into it, he simply had to win it.

 

[DerekNoleFam1]

That was really tough match for Djokovic, and ugly one..

Title really should be:
How did Stanimal and Rafael Nadal beat Novak Djokovic in the 2013 US Open Final?

Djoker really only has himself to blame for not finishing that semi quicker, just like the 2013 Wimby semi against Delpo.
Nadal meanwhile promptly destroyed his pigeon Gasquet in the other semi.
Not sure if he was going to stop Nadal that year anyway, who had barely lost a service game in that whole USO summer series.

 

[Noelan]

Djoker really only has himself to blame for not finishing that semi quicker, just like the 2013 Wimby semi against Delpo.
Nadal meanwhile promptly destroyed his pigeon Gasquet in the other semi.
Not sure if he was going to stop Nadal that year anyway, who had barely lost a service game in that whole USO summer series.

Ofc , who else
I'm also sure he would destroy Gasquet as he actually did in Wim semi 2015

 

[mike danny]

Ofc , who else
I'm also sure he would destroy Gasquet as he actually did in Wim semi 2015

For once, Djokovic finally got the easier semi in 2015 Wimb after he had got harder ones in 2012, 2013 and 2014.

 

[OddJack]

Novak was mentally weak

 

[Noelan]

For once, Djokovic finally got the easier semi in 2015 Wimb after he had got harder ones in 2012, 2013 and 2014.

On paper yes , as we all know Stanimal is not good on grass as he became on hard and clay (which was expected from him long before 2015).2 late career QFs at Wimbledon speak about it. If I'm not mistaken Gasquet made 2007 semi

 

[mike danny]

On paper yes , as we all know Stanimal is not good on grass as he became on hard and clay (which was expected from him long before 2015).2 late career QFs at Wimbledon speak about it. If I'm not mistaken Gasquet made 2007 semi

Yes, Gasquet made 2007 semi, but he is an easy opponent for any Big 4 opponent. Especially every time he reached GS semis as had had to battle tough 5 set QF before those respective semis.

 

[Noelan]

Yes, Gasquet made 2007 semi, but he is an easy opponent for any Big 4 opponent. Especially every time he reached GS semis as had had to battle tough 5 set QF before those respective semis.

Yeah poor Riri

 

[Mr Feeny]

Novak was mentally weak

I think that's harsh because there were plenty of other matches where he showed mental strength and made huge comebacks. This was a case where he mentally collapsed but that's not always the case.

 

[Tennisanity]

roddick was tired from his match vs ferrer and was out of top 10 at that time, played a mediocre match. nalby didn't play all that well ...the only tougher competition was Murray in 11 - and he beat him in 4 sets , not a trouncing.

nadal had an easier draw in 2013 and used that, was more dominant on the road to the final - was broken only once before the final.

so again, how does djokovic playing clearly less well and losing 3 sets indicate nadal was worse in 13 ? here's a clue : it doesn't.

In 2011 Nadal lost only 1 set before the final - to Murray, a future all time great who had already been to multiple slam finals and was on the precipice of winning the USO in 2012.

In 2013 Nadal also lost only 1 set before the final - Kohlshrieber, basically a nobody who didn't really do anything special that day.

Sorry, but to me that shows Nadal was playing a much higher level at 2011 USO and would beat Nadal of of USO 2013.

Djokovic playing at his all time peak in 2011 and losing a set to Nadal shows Nadal was playing at a very high level to accomplish that. Nadal winning 3 sets of Djoker in 2013 against a much lower level Djoker shows Nadal was good enough to win against a much poorer version of Djoker. So the clue is this - it DOES show it.

 

[abmk]

In 2011 Nadal lost only 1 set before the final - to Murray, a future all time great who had already been to multiple slam finals and was on the precipice of winning the USO in 2012.

In 2013 Nadal also lost only 1 set before the final - Kohlshrieber, basically a nobody who didn't really do anything special that day.

Sorry, but to me that shows Nadal was playing a much higher level at 2011 USO and would beat Nadal of of USO 2013.

Djokovic playing at his all time peak in 2011 and losing a set to Nadal shows Nadal was playing at a very high level to accomplish that. Nadal winning 3 sets of Djoker in 2013 against a much lower level Djoker shows Nadal was good enough to win against a much poorer version of Djoker. So the clue is this - it DOES show it.

A) murray, a future all time great ?Lol, no.
Funny how murray's form doesn't come into the picture here. It wasn't prime level stuff from him.

B) completely ignoring that nadal was broken only once before the final. Sign of someone being dense.
Kohlscreiber played well to take that set from nadal. He almost always has taken a set from nadal in their HC matches

C) re : the 2011 vs 2013 finals, your logic meter is completely broken or you are delusional or deliberately being dense over here.

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[Tennisanity]

A) murray, a future all time great ?Lol, no.
Funny how murray's form doesn't come into the picture here. It wasn't prime level stuff from him.

B) completely ignoring that nadal was broken only once before the final. Sign of someone being dense.
Kohlscreiber played well to take that set from nadal. He almost always has taken a set from nadal in their HC matches

C) re : the 2011 vs 2013 finals, your logic meter is completely broken or you are delusional or deliberately being dense over here.

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1) Murray >>>>> Kohly. It was prime level stuff from Murray

2) He was broken only once because competition was complete crap in 2013. No one dense as you cheesehead. Kohl did not play well, nothing special. Nadal was just not as good as in 2011

3) My logic meter is fine, yours needs a refund. You are clueless.

 

[metsman]

2011 USO was prime level stuff from Murray? Cmon now people...he was a mental midget in the slams that year.

 

[KINGROGER]

Of course he has a chance, but it's not that big.What I was objecting to was that somehow according to you Nole is a bigger fav at the AO than federer at the USO. That's not backed up by their respective peak levels.

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If Fed was fully fit, that match would've been like their 08 USO SF.

In fact, peak for peak most matches at the USO would be like their 07-09 encounters there. Post prime Fed vs peak Nole more like their 2010-2011 encounters (5 set matches that shouldve both been won by Fed)

 

[Antonio Puente]

Pat Cash, Wimbledon champion and 5 time Grand Slam finalist

This is an interesting question and a difficult one to answer but I'll do my best.

However, I'm not going to talk about obvious stuff like their passion, confidence, talent or fighting ability as we all know they are both incredible at all those things.

Instead I'm going to give you some of my thoughts then I'm going to tell you what Rafael Nadal told me himself after the match.

https://www.quora.com/How-did-Rafael-Nadal-beat-Novak-Djokovic-in-the-2013-US-Open-Final

Nadal was 6-2 vs. Djoker in slams at that point. What do you mean, how did Nadal beat Djoker at the 2013 USO? It's what he did. The real Nadal beat everyone in slams, consistently, on every surface. Even in recent times with Djoker and Fed getting a few cheap ones vs. a washed Nadal, he is still a combined 25-9 vs. Djoker, Fed and Murray in slams.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Nadal was 6-2 vs. Djoker in slams at that point. What do you mean, how did Nadal beat Djoker at the 2013 USO? It's what he did. The real Nadal beat everyone in slams, consistently, on every surface. Even in recent times with Djoker and Fed getting a few cheap ones vs. a washed Nadal, he is still a combined 25-9 vs. Djoker, Fed and Murray in slams.

Slaaaaay.

 

[Charlie]

Nadal was 6-2 vs. Djoker in slams at that point. What do you mean, how did Nadal beat Djoker at the 2013 USO? It's what he did. The real Nadal beat everyone in slams, consistently, on every surface. Even in recent times with Djoker and Fed getting a few cheap ones vs. a washed Nadal, he is still a combined 25-9 vs. Djoker, Fed and Murray in slams.

At Slams, both Djoker and (older) Federer could barely have a crack against that washed Nadal in recent years because he has been too busy losing early to nobodies.

 

[KINGROGER]

Nadal was 6-2 vs. Djoker in slams at that point. What do you mean, how did Nadal beat Djoker at the 2013 USO? It's what he did. The real Nadal beat everyone in slams, consistently, on every surface. Even in recent times with Djoker and Fed getting a few cheap ones vs. a washed Nadal, he is still a combined 25-9 vs. Djoker, Fed and Murray in slams.

Where was Nadal at slams between 2014 Wimbledon - 2016 USO?

Or any HC major between 05-08?

Or any Wimbledon since 2012?

 

[Noelan]

Prior USO13 Final it was 6 3 I guess it was typo from you .. oh wait

Nadal was 6-2 vs. Djoker in slams at that point. What do you mean, how did Nadal beat Djoker at the 2013 USO? It's what he did. The real Nadal beat everyone in slams, consistently, on every surface. Even in recent times with Djoker and Fed getting a few cheap ones vs. a washed Nadal, he is still a combined 25-9 vs. Djoker, Fed and Murray in slams.

 

[Charlie]

Where was Nadal at slams between 2014 Wimbledon - 2016 USO?

Or any HC major between 05-08?

Or any Wimbledon since 2012?

Can't lose to Fed or Novak if I get beaten by guys with triple digits in their rankings. Vamos!

 

[Antonio Puente]

At Slams, both Djoker and (older) Federer could barely have a crack against that washed Nadal in recent years because he has been too busy losing early to nobodies.

Yes, such a shame they couldn't get more cracks against a washed up Nadal, a guy who, when healthy, they had no prayer against in slams.

I feel for them.

 

[Noelan]

So it's literally same garbage as with fedfans .. Let's dicredit every result , win, that fanboys don't like

 

[Antonio Puente]

So it's literally same garbage as with fedfans .. Let's dicredit every result , win, that fanboys don't like

It's a weak era. Deal with it.

 

[Noelan]

Bye fanboy

 

[Antonio Puente]

Bye fanboy

Take care.

 

[Charlie]

Yes, such a shame they couldn't get more cracks against a washed up Nadal, a guy who, when healthy, they had no prayer against in slams.

I feel for them.

So it's 18 Nadal wins over best ever Fedovic (with no RG skew of course) and 7 Fedovic wins over a washed up Nadal that are actually 7 moral wins for the Bull.

It's nice to know there is another clown in the ************* Circus.

 

[KINGROGER]

Yes, such a shame they couldn't get more cracks against a washed up Nadal, a guy who, when healthy, they had no prayer against in slams.

I feel for them.

Sounds like Nadal vs Federer since 2008.

 

[Antonio Puente]

Nadal still has a combined winning record vs. Fed and Djoker in slams outside RG while they are a combined 1-11 against him at RG. That tells you everything you need to know. He defeated them on their preferred surfaces. They, however, had no prayer in hell of defeating him on his preferred surface.

 

[Antonio Puente]

Sounds like Nadal vs Federer since 2008.

Nadal was beating Fed as a teen.

 

[abmk]

If Fed was fully fit, that match would've been like their 08 USO SF.

In fact, peak for peak most matches at the USO would be like their 07-09 encounters there. Post prime Fed vs peak Nole more like their 2010-2011 encounters (5 set matches that shouldve both been won by Fed)

I think their AO 2008 match would be like their RG 2011 SF if fed was fully fit, closer than USO 08 .

Peak to peak at USO, I see fed taking it in 4 sets, slightly easier than above, but slightly tougher than USO 08 or maybe about the same.

 

[Hitman's Gurl]

Nadal still has a combined winning record vs. Fed and Djoker in slams outside RG while they are a combined 1-11 against him at RG. That tells you everything you need to know. He defeated them on their preferred surfaces. They, however, had no prayer in hell of defeating him on his preferred surface.

Weak clay era? I think so. Rafa really had no competition on clay. He is clay GOAT. 9 easy wins with weak competition. Maybe 2013 was only time he had one tough match his whole career at RG. the one against Novak. I think he has at least one strong clay slam. The 2013 one. 8 easy wins sounds fair?