Tsitsipas is the most overrated player i have ever come across.

[Djokovicfan]

He is about as fast on the court as he is on the toilet and his vertical, acceleration, top speed, and hitting power is simply not there compared to someone like medvedev.
medvedev has a 6-2 record against him for a reason. Med is an enormous athlete. Tsitsipas just is not. I cannot believe how overblown and overrated he is. If he actually had the superstar potential so many people claim him to have he would have a much better record than he does.
end rant.

 

[MichaelNadal]

You spelled Dimitrov wrong

 

[JackSockIsTheBest]

Personally I very much agree as of now, he really isn't a machine like med or maybe even hard working thiem. He has all the shots & the "flair" but he really isn't built for winning matches like djoker

 

[Booger]

The people love one handers. Shapo and Tsitsipas were the biggest crowd favorites at IW, by far. Dimitrov right behind. Everyone is HOPING these guys will carry the torch for aesthetic, entertaining tennis. We want guys with creativity and flair, not just a gameplan that consists of waiting for the other guy to miss.

You think normies get excited about watching Medved or Zverev arm every ball back for 3 hours at a time?

 

[Jokervich]

He is poor outside clay and even on clay he's not that great. I'm amazed how often his matches are a huge rollercoaster, even against average opposition. He will go down a set and a break, or tiebreaks will go to 15-13 with multiple set/match points squandered.

 

[optic yellow]

Seems like someone who has the pieces but is still lacking something necessary to put them together.

 

[Visionary]

I think there are a few more overrated players than Tsitsi. Give him a break, toilet break, or whatever as the Greek's more exciting than many others to watch. Just my two cents here.

 

[Max G.]

How highly do you think he should be rated?

He's currently #3 in the world and a grand slam finalist this year. It seems like expecting him to win a Grand Slam isn't unreasonable, considering how close he's already come. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like anybody's really expecting him to become an ATG or dominate, people are expecting him to get a bit better, contend for Slams, and win one or maybe more than one eventually.

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

 

[Arak]

Judging from the abuse he and the other next gen players get on this forum, I would say he’s underrated since everyone thinks he’s a below par mug.

 

[socallefty]

He has long strokes and therefore is effective only on slow surfaces. He needs to make his strokes more compact like Thiem did two years ago. His BH DTL is error-prone and so, he can’t change angles very easily. His BH return is poor particularly because he has an abominable slice for a player ranked as high as he is. He falls away to the left when he completes his serve motion and is a step late on the serve+1 shot even when he hits a good serve.

When he finds a coach who helps him overcome these technique flaws, maybe he will become a Slam winner outside of clay. He is already good enough to win the French Open if Nadal and Djokovic falter. Mental toughness is easier when your technique is air-tight. That was something that the Big 3 possessed and the NextGen doesn’t.

I wouldn’t say he is over-rated as he is already good enough to be a top 5 player in spite of these weaknesses helped by his strong FH.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Yet he’s still regularly predicted to win tournaments in the results section.
Hmmmm.

 

[Fedinkum]

He is underrated for being the most obnoxious player on the tour.

 

[junior74]

A soul full of oxygen is hard to keep grounded

 

[Deleted member 770948]

Tsitsipas will suffer more than any other player in the world, because he'll be hyped continuously for the next 5 years, until people realize he's just another Gasquet.
In the meantime he'll have huge expectations and fall short every time, and I've noticed he's very hard on himself and is devastated by failure.

 

[Aysuh]

he made a slam semi and then a slam final this year, cut him some slack.
If it wasn't for the whole toilet contreversy no one would be talking **** about him.
When did a slam semi and a slam final and a world number 3 become an overrated performance

 

[Born_to_slice]

Kneejerk threads like this will be the laughing stock for years to come.

 

[NAS]

Tsitsipas will suffer more than any other player in the world, because he'll be hyped continuously for the next 5 years, until people realize he's just another Gasquet.
In the meantime he'll have huge expectations and fall short every time, and I've noticed he's very hard on himself and is devastated by failure.

He can't be another Gasquet as he already won MC and yec alongside making a slam final

 

[NAS]

A soul full of oxygen is hard to keep grounded

But more liquid in his urinary tract do keep him grounded

 

[tex123]

He is about as fast on the court as he is on the toilet and his vertical, acceleration, top speed, and hitting power is simply not there compared to someone like medvedev.
medvedev has a 6-2 record against him for a reason. Med is an enormous athlete. Tsitsipas just is not. I cannot believe how overblown and overrated he is. If he actually had the superstar potential so many people claim him to have he would have a much better record than he does.
end rant.

Medvedev is one dimensional player with awkward looking strokes. He knows only one way and the surface has to complement his way of playing. He has no slice or drop shots or finesse or net play. As a result he'll only be a contender in Australia or New York.

Tsitsipas has a big forehand. His backhand is up there with the best. His serve looks a bit awkward but he regularly belts 120+mph. Being a single handed player, he can develop his slice and improve net play i.e. he has the potential to win on all surfaces provided he works on his deficiencies.

Tsitsipas is one of heaviest ball strikers in the tennis world.

 

[junior74]

But more liquid in his urinary tract do keep him grounded

A slight burning sensation may occur while getting rid of that liquid oxygen, and this is why he needs just a little more time

 

[Kralingen]

5 threads in and every single one has been on this level of stupidity or worse.

 

[RaulRamirez]

But more liquid in his urinary tract do keep him grounded

Thanks for the word picture.

 

[Start da Game]

he was a set away from winning roland garros.......watching him since 2018 it is clearly evident that he excels on clay and slow hardcourts like in australia or the dead slow wtf.......he is a player who relies on point construction, his game is not based on offensive exploits or huge serving.......so obviously he is prone to get blown off by a big hitter on fast surfaces.......

i remember commenting before the aus open final earlier this year that he would have made the final more competitive than medvedev, he could even have won that final with some luck who knows.......medvedev on the other hand needs help from the surface to be effective........both are of course very good players, not overrated at all.......

 

[nolefam_2024]

Tsitsipas is among top 5 in the world for next few years. Rafa may drop his level on return making him top 4 level wise. He regularly dominated weaker opponents on slow clay courts and is just not yet ready for faster courts. Still he had a YEC,. 2 AO semis and Rogers cup/Dubai finals so he is not unproven on hard courts at all.

Most overlooked thing in tennis is power. Those who lack it like Dimitrov rarely succeed. Tsitsipas has heavy forehand. He will be grand slam champion

 

[Poisoned Slice]

A soul full of oxygen is hard to keep grounded

 

[Bambooman]

When did a slam semi and a slam final and a world number 3 become an overrated performance

Around the time Rios approached number one according to experts on here.

 

[MurraysMetalHip]

He needs a haircut.

 

[ttwreader]

He could be invincible if he could incorporate his dad into his sole body so that he doesn't need to wait for coaching after each point.

 

[BeatlesFan]

He is poor outside clay and even on clay he's not that great.

He's a French Open finalist and beat Rafa 6-3, 6-4 in Rome a couple years ago. He's obviously a great clay court player based on that alone. It's not his game that sucks, it's him as a human being and his pathetically weak mentality. Anyone losing a slam final while two sets up has mental issues which he obviously hasn't bothered addressing. Probably because he's a self-proclaimed "Greek God" (barf) and thinks he walks on water.

When Mac lost the '84 FO Final to Ivan after squandering a 2-0 sets lead, he was shattered and still drones on about how awful it was. ********** just accepted the loss and continue on his merry way.

 

[Jokervich]

He's a French Open finalist and beat Rafa 6-3, 6-4 in Rome a couple years ago. He's obviously a great clay court player based on that alone. It's not his game that sucks, it's him as a human being and his pathetically weak mentality. Anyone losing a slam final while two sets up has mental issues which he obviously hasn't bothered addressing. Probably because he's a self-proclaimed "Greek God" (barf) and thinks he walks on water.

When Mac lost the '84 FO Final to Ivan after squandering a 2-0 sets lead, he was shattered and still drones on about how awful it was. ********** just accepted the loss and continue on his merry way.

Interesting how you responded to this but not my post about Nadal in the other thread.

 

[tudwell]

Here's already more accomplished on clay than Thiem lol.

 

[junior74]

Evolutioooon!

 

[JustBob]

Medvedev is 2 1/2 years older than Tsitsipas, and at 25-26 should be hitting his peak. So Tsitsipas still has a couple years of development left to reach that stage.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Hes got the game. Mentally he is a mess though

 

[BenC]

Medvedev is one dimensional player with awkward looking strokes. He knows only one way and the surface has to complement his way of playing. He has no slice or drop shots or finesse or net play. As a result he'll only be a contender in Australia or New York.

Tsitsipas has a big forehand. His backhand is up there with the best. His serve looks a bit awkward but he regularly belts 120+mph. Being a single handed player, he can develop his slice and improve net play i.e. he has the potential to win on all surfaces provided he works on his deficiencies.

Tsitsipas is one of heaviest ball strikers in the tennis world.

Is shot speed or topspin rate strongly correlated to performance at that level? I would've thought that if that were the case, the blue dots (51-100) would be grouped more toward the lower left, then the yellow, green, and red dots toward the upper right but they all look fairly spread out. I'd posit that Tsitsipas's strengths/deficiences go far beyond what raw power/spin numbers can show (also see: Shapovalov).

Agreed that Medvedev's performance is comically situation and surface dependent. And he knows it, too.

 

[Sunny014]

If being overrated has a GOAT race then Murray is the GOAT

Stefanos is an ATG in that regard but a long way to go till he comes anywhere near Murray.

 

[davced1]

Have you watched him live in person? He has great touch that not always comes across on tv. I was sceptical too before I watched him live it was like I watched another player.

 

[Fabresque]

The people love one handers. Shapo and Tsitsipas were the biggest crowd favorites at IW, by far. Dimitrov right behind. Everyone is HOPING these guys will carry the torch for aesthetic, entertaining tennis. We want guys with creativity and flair, not just a gameplan that consists of waiting for the other guy to miss.

You think normies get excited about watching Medved or Zverev arm every ball back for 3 hours at a time?

Haha this is so accurate it hurts. Nobody wants these two handers, it’s boring. Every Tom Dick and Harry hits with a two handed backhand, people want a one hander, a shot that’s associated with tennis history, it’s seen as classy, elegant, etc. Tsitsipas has so many flaws about him but still ends up being a crowd favorite (especially in the US) because he has a one hander and all the casuals associate him as the next Federer.

 

[MeatTornado]

He is about as fast on the court as he is on the toilet and his vertical, acceleration, top speed, and hitting power is simply not there compared to someone like medvedev.
medvedev has a 6-2 record against him for a reason. Med is an enormous athlete. Tsitsipas just is not. I cannot believe how overblown and overrated he is. If he actually had the superstar potential so many people claim him to have he would have a much better record than he does.
end rant.

I'm sorry, his hitting power isn't comparable to Medvedev? Medvedev?

 

[King No1e]

Seems like someone who has the pieces but is still lacking something necessary to put them together.

True, but there's also a good bit lacking in his natural game. Meanwhile you got a guy like Shapovalov, who really has the whole shotmaking package, but just can't seem to put it together consistently.

Stef's BH is a liability. Shapo's is a weapon.
Stef's return is a massive weakness. Shapo doesn't have an amazing return but it's solid enough.
Stef's serve sometimes looks off balance. Shapo is rock solid in that department.

I've said it before, but I'll say it gain. Shapovalov has what it takes to be #1 in this generation. He's a big fish in a small pond talent-wise, if only he can learn how to use it consistently. Or he could go the way of Dimitrov, Tsonga, Nalbandian, etc.

 

[vex]

He is about as fast on the court as he is on the toilet and his vertical, acceleration, top speed, and hitting power is simply not there compared to someone like medvedev.
medvedev has a 6-2 record against him for a reason. Med is an enormous athlete. Tsitsipas just is not. I cannot believe how overblown and overrated he is. If he actually had the superstar potential so many people claim him to have he would have a much better record than he does.
end rant.

Tsits is a lot of things but bad athlete is not one of them, especially considering his height.

 

[Djokovicfan]

The people love one handers. Shapo and Tsitsipas were the biggest crowd favorites at IW, by far. Dimitrov right behind. Everyone is HOPING these guys will carry the torch for aesthetic, entertaining tennis. We want guys with creativity and flair, not just a gameplan that consists of waiting for the other guy to miss.

You think normies get excited about watching Medved or Zverev arm every ball back for 3 hours at a time?

Yeah. Its too bad wawrinka seems to have his best days behind him. His ohbh was pretty awesome.

 

[Djokovicfan]

Seems like someone who has the pieces but is still lacking something necessary to put them together.

Talent?

 

[Kralingen]

True, but there's also a good bit lacking in his natural game. Meanwhile you got a guy like Shapovalov, who really has the whole shotmaking package, but just can't seem to put it together consistently.

Stef's BH is a liability. Shapo's is a weapon liability
Stef's return is a massive weakness. Shapo is just as bad with the BH return
Stef's serve sometimes looks off balance. Shapo has like 25 foul throws every match and constantly messes up on big points

I've said it before, but I'll say it gain. Shapovalov has what it takes to be #1 in this generation. He's a big fish in a small pond talent-wise, if only he can learn how to use it consistently. Or he could go the way of Dimitrov, Tsonga, Nalbandian, etc.

Funny enough I still think Shapo could be #1 and that he will make us all eat crow. That Wimbledon run was honestly impressive in ways that no other NextGen have shown me in terms of a power game. He has such a live arm.

Had to fix some errors for you though because all of the criticisms of Stef apply to Shapo just as much, especially the BH return.

 

[Djokovicfan]

Medvedev is one dimensional player with awkward looking strokes. He knows only one way and the surface has to complement his way of playing. He has no slice or drop shots or finesse or net play. As a result he'll only be a contender in Australia or New York.

Tsitsipas has a big forehand. His backhand is up there with the best. His serve looks a bit awkward but he regularly belts 120+mph. Being a single handed player, he can develop his slice and improve net play i.e. he has the potential to win on all surfaces provided he works on his deficiencies.

Tsitsipas is one of heaviest ball strikers in the tennis world.

Interesting graphs but look at medvedev and tell me how much topspin rpm matters lol. Also tsitsipas velocity is nothing special.

 

[tex123]

Interesting graphs but look at medvedev and tell me how much topspin rpm matters lol. Also tsitsipas velocity is nothing special.

Med's one dimensional game is out of this world but it will work only when the court and conditions suit him. USO and FO.
He can't go anywhere with that game at the FO and Wimbledon. Tsitsipas has the potential to win them all. All depends on how he manages his coming months and years.

 

[Djokovicfan]

Medvedev is 2 1/2 years older than Tsitsipas, and at 25-26 should be hitting his peak. So Tsitsipas still has a couple years of development left to reach that stage.

excuses.

 

[tex123]

True, but there's also a good bit lacking in his natural game. Meanwhile you got a guy like Shapovalov, who really has the whole shotmaking package, but just can't seem to put it together consistently.

Stef's BH is a liability. Shapo's is a weapon.
Stef's return is a massive weakness. Shapo doesn't have an amazing return but it's solid enough.
Stef's serve sometimes looks off balance. Shapo is rock solid in that department.

I've said it before, but I'll say it gain. Shapovalov has what it takes to be #1 in this generation. He's a big fish in a small pond talent-wise, if only he can learn how to use it consistently. Or he could go the way of Dimitrov, Tsonga, Nalbandian, etc.

Shapo won't go anywhere with that super aggressive game. He does not understand controlled aggression. Who is his coach? His doubles partner, his mum and Youzhny. Nuff said!

 

[Djokovicfan]

Here's already more accomplished on clay than Thiem lol.

Oh cool. How many slamcoins is being more accomplished on a surface than someone who has never won a grand slam on that surface worth?

 

[Djokovicfan]

Is shot speed or topspin rate strongly correlated to performance at that level? I would've thought that if that were the case, the blue dots (51-100) would be grouped more toward the lower left, then the yellow, green, and red dots toward the upper right but they all look fairly spread out. I'd posit that Tsitsipas's strengths/deficiences go far beyond what raw power/spin numbers can show (also see: Shapovalov).

Agreed that Medvedev's performance is comically situation and surface dependent. And he knows it, too.

Clay is a part of tennis but if you had to choose the essence of tennis it would be grass or hardcourt.
If nadal never won a grand slam besides the french open then he wouldnt hold a candle to djokovic or fed.
i cant stand watching the french open on tv. The red background is so unpleasant to look out i simply cannot watch it. The visibility of the ball onred clay also seems worse than grass o hardcourt.

if med never wins a clay tournament it wouldnt matter. If you cant do it on hard like nadal and med have then nobody should have to pay attn to you.