You go Naomi

Graf1stClass

Professional
I'll be the first to admit how wrong I was about her. I thought she was simply making excuses and turning her back on the sport that had given her so much. But seeing her crying after yesterday's victory...? I knew that she was making real strides for the past weeks trying to better her tennis results after IW, and I admired her for that, but now I just have to say...

I'm so proud of you for fighting through these personal problems. I know it's not easy trying to find your own happiness, but you're pushing through it. Even without a solid seeding or Top 30 rank...funny how little that can matter when you believe you can.

Now I have to think of it as, we have recently had a player who didn't like the tour life and was happy to retire at the same age Naomi is now. There's nothing wrong with what Barty did, even if it has hurt the tour as a whole. It's the WTA's job to find new and appealing talent, not hers.

But seeing Naomi still sticking around to try and do her best after all of this time when she easily could have left with so much in the bank, with so many deals... It just makes me proud fellows. I don't know how to explain it. She was so overjoyed after struggling back from defeat against her longtime foe Bencic. Now she gets to play Iga her new #1 best friend in a match for the ages. She knew it when she won. She was barely keeping it together after that scraping past Bencic... It just shows how much she cares...

I am so happy for her. I really am. And I'm really sad to say that I was on the 'hate train' as well, believing that she was not fine, running the reality she was trying everything she could do to find her peace just a raise we hadn't seen before. Jason was correct to state that she was playing poorly during the time he was here. I agree with those technical assessments and criticisms. But during our time when we were watching the absolute primes of these players, everything had to be kept in, everything had to be insular, reflecting how our parents told us boys to behave compared to us girls when we were growing up. Showing any mental weaknesses like she did -- you were spoiled and ungrateful..

This woman.... Keep speaking your mind. She's just now waking a lot of us -- including me -- up to the jarring reality that there are so many different kinds of champions at this highest level. That they're all just people too. I'm going to eat my humble pie and keep supporting her, whether she wins this match or loses this match and every other match for the rest of her career afterwards. Either way, Naomi's a champion we've never had. She doesn't have ## players forehand or slice or ## player's light tennis or ##'s serving and volleying or huge angles and grunts... But something tells me that over time we will all appreciate Osaka for struggling to be comfortable with herself. And for openly sharing that with all of us. And for still trying to give it her all out there for all of us, while meanwhile so many of us made fun of her 'social activism'. Unlike certain pressured players, Naomi did not turn to drugs or commit crimes. And even if she's argued with haters online, she still interacted with them.. She acknowledged their existence... She's interacting with all of us. My friend told me she is now streaming on Twitch with us. She wants companionship... I hate to say but unlike Steffi Graf. Someone appealing for other reasons but not as an awkward teenager who only wanted company.

Even after these slams and a huge name, our Naomi is still working her butt off in tennis and fighting her own mind and her detractors, and she is not giving up on any of it. My friends, I for one can relate to that. Whatever anyone else says, Miss Naomi, you have my support from here on. You have more than earned it. (y);)
 

Beulah Jesus

Hall of Fame
I'll be the first to admit how wrong I was about her. I thought she was simply making excuses and turning her back on the sport that had given her so much. But seeing her crying after yesterday's victory...? I knew that she was making real strides for the past weeks trying to better her tennis results after IW, and I admired her for that, but now I just have to say...

I'm so proud of you for fighting through these personal problems. I know it's not easy trying to find your own happiness, but you're pushing through it. Even without a solid seeding or Top 30 rank...funny how little that can matter when you believe you can.

Now I have to think of it as, we have recently had a player who didn't like the tour life and was happy to retire at the same age Naomi is now. There's nothing wrong with what Barty did, even if it has hurt the tour as a whole. It's the WTA's job to find new and appealing talent, not hers.

But seeing Naomi still sticking around to try and do her best after all of this time when she easily could have left with so much in the bank, with so many deals... It just makes me proud fellows. I don't know how to explain it. She was so overjoyed after struggling back from defeat against her longtime foe Bencic. Now she gets to play Iga her new #1 best friend in a match for the ages. She knew it when she won. She was barely keeping it together after that scraping past Bencic... It just shows how much she cares...

I am so happy for her. I really am. And I'm really sad to say that I was on the 'hate train' as well, believing that she was not fine, running the reality she was trying everything she could do to find her peace just a raise we hadn't seen before. Jason was correct to state that she was playing poorly during the time he was here. I agree with those technical assessments and criticisms. But during our time when we were watching the absolute primes of these players, everything had to be kept in, everything had to be insular, reflecting how our parents told us boys to behave compared to us girls when we were growing up. Showing any mental weaknesses like she did -- you were spoiled and ungrateful..

This woman.... Keep speaking your mind. She's just now waking a lot of us -- including me -- up to the jarring reality that there are so many different kinds of champions at this highest level. That they're all just people too. I'm going to eat my humble pie and keep supporting her, whether she wins this match or loses this match and every other match for the rest of her career afterwards. Either way, Naomi's a champion we've never had. She doesn't have ## players forehand or slice or ## player's light tennis or ##'s serving and volleying or huge angles and grunts... But something tells me that over time we will all appreciate Osaka for struggling to be comfortable with herself. And for openly sharing that with all of us. And for still trying to give it her all out there for all of us, while meanwhile so many of us made fun of her 'social activism'. Unlike certain pressured players, Naomi did not turn to drugs or commit crimes. And even if she's argued with haters online, she still interacted with them.. She acknowledged their existence... She's interacting with all of us. My friend told me she is now streaming on Twitch with us. She wants companionship... I hate to say but unlike Steffi Graf. Someone appealing for other reasons but not as an awkward teenager who only wanted company.

Even after these slams and a huge name, our Naomi is still working her butt off in tennis and fighting her own mind and her detractors, and she is not giving up on any of it. My friends, I for one can relate to that. Whatever anyone else says, Miss Naomi, you have my support from here on. You have more than earned it. (y);)
This long epistle deserves a like.
 

Chairman3

Hall of Fame
She's still a quitter when she isn't going to win, that is what I continue to dislike, among other things unrelated to her tennis ability.
I just finished watching the women's final, in-person, and she basically quit trying halfway through the second set.
I get it, we all have those days, but she does it consistently.
 

Graf1stClass

Professional
She's still a quitter when she isn't going to win, that is what I continue to dislike, among other things unrelated to her tennis ability.
I just finished watching the women's final, in-person, and she basically quit trying halfway through the second set.
I get it, we all have those days, but she does it consistently.
I did not see her quit.. I saw her continue to try , but Iga had her game figured out.. Naomi's game is somewhat 1-dimensional but she tried to play more aggressive the whole time and so made twice the errors. When Steffi was doing this to everybody, it may have looked as though many of them quit as well.

ATM Iga is just too good for anyone (but Peak Ostapenko / Rogers) ... Nobody in the WTA hits with spin like hers. Not even Serena in 2018 gave this to Naomi. Iga hit her shots with more spin and harder too. So not much for Naomi to do except servebot and hope Iga tires out... What we really need to see is what Naomi will decide to do after this.. Will she work on her weaknesses? And will Iga be able to keep this up all year? I sure hope so, for both
 

Graf1stClass

Professional

Graf1stClass

Professional
Ironic that someone evoking GOAT Steffi in avi and user name worships at the alter of such a pathetic whiner as Osaka. She's about one-one billioneth the player Steffi was. Hell, I'd still put 52 year old Steffi on court versus Osaka right now and I bet Steffi would put up a credible fight.
BeatlesFan you are mistaken. I do not worship any player or celebrity..

I left that phase about...7-8 years ago, back when you began posting :)
 

Graf1stClass

Professional
Seems she went.........again.
AFAIK this is Naomi's first time ever losing in a final.. Losing this way to Swiatek is no surprise.. Anybody else would have lost today

If the board can continue to give Emma passes after finding her stardom (this makes sense to me), then we can do the same for Naomi who has worked so hard to get this far after a devastating year
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
I love her game and up until recently, always enjoyed watching her. Then...things kinda went off the rail. The issue is her speaking her mind, because her mind is not right and she continues to confound and inflate things to excuse or validate her own personal issues. She got a bit self-righteous and self-important to me instead of focusing on being tennis player first.

I hope she can turn all that around and get back to being an inspiration.
 

Aslan T

Rookie
I love her game and up until recently, always enjoyed watching her. Then...things kinda went off the rail. The issue is her speaking her mind, because her mind is not right and she continues to confound and inflate things to excuse or validate her own personal issues. She got a bit self-righteous and self-important to me instead of focusing on being tennis player first.

I hope she can turn all that around and get back to being an inspiration.

Did you enjoy seeing her win USO '20?
 

Aslan T

Rookie
The sport of professional tennis is BO3, both for men and women.

The men choose to play 4 tournaments a year that are BO5. This is the men's choice, not sure why the women need to be doing that.

The whole argument men/women/BO3/BO5 would make sense if all men's tournaments were BO5. But that's not the case, is it...
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
The apologies need to be as loud as the disrespect for her . Won’t hear anything from TTW though of course. She has undeniably responded like a champion.
Apologies? Lol, a lot of these haters are the type to post trans suicide rate memes on 4chan. Good luck getting apologies out of them.
 

Fintft

G.O.A.T.
I xan understand not being able to move, due to being heavy, but what stopped her for hitting hard in the final?
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
You can't hate Canada.
Why to hate any country in general, anyways?
You may not like certain individuals, or political parties or the socio-economic structure of a country, but developing hatred for an entire population of millions is plain ridiculous.
 

Aslan T

Rookie
I am glad she wins when she does, or even has the losses. Not sure what USO 20 has to do with anything?

It was a simple question, looks like it doesn't have a simple answer for you?

Anyway, we can agree that we're happy to see her out there playing, wins or losses.
 

Diablo XP

Rookie
I love her game and up until recently, always enjoyed watching her. Then...things kinda went off the rail. The issue is her speaking her mind, because her mind is not right and she continues to confound and inflate things to excuse or validate her own personal issues. She got a bit self-righteous and self-important to me instead of focusing on being tennis player first.

I hope she can turn all that around and get back to being an inspiration.
It's this for me as well. I still very much love her game and playing style, though north and south movement is highly questionable.
That said, she used to be my favorite player and I would shout her merits from the rooftops to anyone that would listen. It all changed for me when she inserted the SJW crap into her routine, followed closely by the "mental health" issues. It actually turned me into a full blown hater, because I once liked her so much. Makes it harder to take.
 

bullfan

Legend
Naomi isn’t over the hill….. She has room to grow and I took the ceremony today to mean a rivalry gauntlet was mentioned….. 2 terrific players that both feel strongly about standing up for what is right in their eyes
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
It's this for me as well. I still very much love her game and playing style, though north and south movement is highly questionable.
That said, she used to be my favorite player and I would shout her merits from the rooftops to anyone that would listen. It all changed for me when she inserted the SJW crap into her routine, followed closely by the "mental health" issues. It actually turned me into a full blown hater, because I once liked her so much. Makes it harder to take.

Yeah, I am certainly not a hater, but it changed my wanting to make sure and catch her playing and check on how she is doing to tuning the drama out. When antics and such are what headlines are about for a player over their game, that usually turns things that way for me.
 

CHillTennis

Hall of Fame
I love her game and up until recently, always enjoyed watching her. Then...things kinda went off the rail. The issue is her speaking her mind, because her mind is not right and she continues to confound and inflate things to excuse or validate her own personal issues. She got a bit self-righteous and self-important to me instead of focusing on being tennis player first.

I hope she can turn all that around and get back to being an inspiration.

Well said!
 
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