2019 Australian Open 4R - [4] Alexander Zverev vs. [16] Milos Raonic

Who will win this match?


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Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
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Z not gonna stop smashing that racquet whether a ballboy is in the way of not. He will not be denied!!
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Forget those giants of the game,he has yet to show he can be a bigger threat in a slam than guys like Carreno Busta or RBA,just forget about him as a slam winner until he shows he can beat even mid-tier guys in a slam...

I know. Like he can't even get past the lower to mid tier to even make it to the top tier guys. He made 3 Masters finals last year and the WTF final but when it comes to Slams, he is stuck. He hasn't shown he has the mental toughness and stamina to push through at a Slam in BO5.
 
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Vamos Rafa Nadal

Guest
I would love to see the Zverev press conference and for someone to ask him why he keeps on imploding during Grand Slams!
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
Hats off to the board. I bet Zed was the pre-match favorite but the board had Muglos at a solid 63 -37 percent.
 

Freddy Cat

Professional
L0L imagine getting broken by Raonic 6 times in one match. Sorry, I don't think anyone's stopping the freight train that is the Milos.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
in tiebreak Nadal could've hit fth in open court on set poin but he played cross court out of fear. may be you should start watching natches carefully. he even had set point on bis own serve in TB. go watch it again.

Djokovic is up 5-3, Nadal in a long rally comes up with an excellent fh drop shot. (2:41:04)

Watch the point at 2:42:49: 5 all. Nadal crushes a BH from defensive position and then hits a dropshot winner.
then at 6 all, Nadal is one winning the point by hitting I/O FH winner.

that's all fear ? no, just your utterly ridiculous fantasy delusions. :)

Nadal came up with a frigging drop shot to save MP in the 5th set . that's a guy who's afraid ? :rolleyes:

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Coming to the SP that Nadal had (at 7-6), djokovic first hit a BH DTL to put him on the defensive, then I/O FH, nadal was way back on the baseline in the ad corner and hit CC FH as a % shot, not because he was afraid.

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Deleted member 3771

Guest
Saw the 2nd half of the 3rd set and Zed was just too passive in the rallies. He needed to force the issue and tee off some more. Too much pushing.
 

Noletheking

Hall of Fame
Well
Djokovic is up 5-3, Nadal in a long rally comes up with an excellent fh drop shot. (2:41:04)

Watch the point at 2:42:49: 5 all. Nadal crushes a BH from defensive position and then hits a dropshot winner.
then at 6 all, Nadal is one winning the point by hitting I/O FH winner.

that's all fear ? no, just your utterly ridiculous fantasy delusions. :)

Nadal came up with a frigging drop shot to save MP in the 5th set . that's a guy who's afraid ? :rolleyes:

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Coming to the SP that Nadal had (at 7-6), djokovic first hit a BH DTL to put him on the defensive, then I/O FH, nadal was way back on the baseline in the ad corner and hit CC FH as a % shot, not because he was afraid.

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Well how smartly you ignored points when Nadal choked on set points?you only proved my case that Nadal lose to Djokovic even if he plays better. Look at 2 set points that Nadal choked, noone argued that Nadal played great to earn set points .
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Saw the 2nd half of the 3rd set and Zed was just too passive in the rallies. He needed to force the issue and tee off some more. Too much pushing.
I liked McEnroes comment on Raonic’s match point at 5-4. “Looked like we had gone back to 12 and under tennis there”.
 

Tennease

Legend
Why no on court interview with Raonic?
Raonic said he played extremely well. He and Ivanisevic speaks the same language and they like to keep things simple (in coaching) especially after his injury.

He also said he wanted to make Zverev uncomfortable as much as possible by keeping the points short. He doesn't want to give Zverev long rallies with rhythm because that's what Zverev likes.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Lmao against Any other player Nadal would've not wasted 5 bps to win one break.

Muller serve was outlier here and Nadal returning from stand didn't do him any favour. Nadal wasted 6 bps on Djokovic serve in 5th and many came on 2nd serve so no excuse here.he returned bad it wasn't just Djokovic good serving when you return so bad on 2nd serve. also go watch 5th set tb when Nadal had open court on set point twice.

how is Mueller serve outlier ? I just gave you the example of Federer saving 4/4 BPs in 5th set of Wim 07 final.
Federer also saved quite a few BPs before finally being broken in Wim 08 final 5th set.

@ bold part : so making up stuff now, are you ?
From 5 BPs to 6 BPs ?
It was 0/5.

@ underlined part : 5th set TB ?
so now you're talking about non-existent stuff and think people will just let it go by ?

Lets also carve apart your utter non-sense about Nadal wasting BPs on Djokovic serve in the 5th on 2nd serves. You really you think you can get away with made up BS when people can easily check and prove you wrong?

1. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 4‑4 15‑40 1st serve wide, ace.
2. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 4‑4 30‑40 1st serve wide; forehand return down the middle, forced error.

3. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 7‑7 15‑40 1st serve down the T; forehand return down the middle (shallow); backhand approach shot inside-out; backhand lob down the line, forced error.
4. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 7‑7 30‑40 1st serve down the T, ace.
5. Novak Djokovic 2‑27‑740‑AD 1st serve to body; forehand return down the middle (very deep); forehand inside-out; forehand crosscourt; forehand inside-out; forehand crosscourt; backhand down the line; backhand slice down the middle; forehand crosscourt; backhand crosscourt; forehand crosscourt; backhand approach shot crosscourt; forehand crosscourt, winner. (13-shot rally)

Djokovic got his 1st serve on ALL of the BPs. So where are those mysterious 2nd serve returns that Nadal missed on BPs in the 5th set ? :rolleyes:

http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/20180713-M-Wimbledon-SF-Rafael_Nadal-Novak_Djokovic.html

Go to point by point description.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Z goes into panic mode at slams. It’s so painful to watch. IMO, he should not deny it but see a sports psychologist, a therapist, whatever it takes, just tackle the problem head-on as it is clear this is not just a matter of physical/athletic preparation.
As much as “slam underachiever” lurks at the back of Sascha’s mind when he steps onto the court, it’s also very much in the mind of his future opponents in the locker room. That’s what makes it even more damaging. I say: don’t ignore the block, acknowledge it and fight it. Z has the game, it’s all mental and as we all know “whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”. Confront your demons Sascha, that’s the only way.
That being said, Raonic’s serve is damn intimidating when it’s on (and when he’s fit which has not been that often in his career!)
 

Noletheking

Hall of Fame
how is Mueller serve outlier ? I just gave you the example of Federer saving 4/4 BPs in 5th set of Wim 07 final.
Federer also saved quite a few BPs before finally being broken in Wim 08 final 5th set.

@ bold part : so making up stuff now, are you ?
From 5 BPs to 6 BPs ?
It was 0/5.

@ underlined part : 5th set TB ?
so now you're talking about non-existent stuff and think people will just let it go by ?

Lets also carve apart your utter non-sense about Nadal wasting BPs on Djokovic serve in the 5th on 2nd serves. You really you think you can get away with made up BS when people can easily check and prove you wrong?

1. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 4‑4 15‑40 1st serve wide, ace.
2. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 4‑4 30‑40 1st serve wide; forehand return down the middle, forced error.

3. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 7‑7 15‑40 1st serve down the T; forehand return down the middle (shallow); backhand approach shot inside-out; backhand lob down the line, forced error.
4. Novak Djokovic 2‑2 7‑7 30‑40 1st serve down the T, ace.
5. Novak Djokovic 2‑27‑740‑AD 1st serve to body; forehand return down the middle (very deep); forehand inside-out; forehand crosscourt; forehand inside-out; forehand crosscourt; backhand down the line; backhand slice down the middle; forehand crosscourt; backhand crosscourt; forehand crosscourt; backhand approach shot crosscourt; forehand crosscourt, winner. (13-shot rally)

Djokovic got his 1st serve on ALL of the BPs. So where are those mysterious 2nd serve returns that Nadal missed on BPs in the 5th set ? :rolleyes:

http://www.tennisabstract.com/charting/20180713-M-Wimbledon-SF-Rafael_Nadal-Novak_Djokovic.html

Go to point by point description.

Okay i take that but how about tiebreak where he choked on 2 set points ? asfar as 2007 is concerned Nadal was not confident . After 2008 Nadal bp conversion in non clay slam has been good but it dropped after 2013.
 
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