Australian Open 2022 Final: Rafael Nadal vs Daniil Medvedev

Nadal or Med?

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PDJ

PDJ

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ewiewp said:
15 must be longest ever, no?
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Not 15, but Chris Evert won at least one major for 13 years straight. A record unlikely to be beaten.
This during a period where for some years the top (non Australian) women rarely played the AO and, to a lesser degree, the French.
 
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D.Nalby12 said:
Medvedev in four sets. He will gift one set with poor play as always. But honestly he is playing good enough to straight set the Bull.
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RF-18 said:
I was pretty convinced before that Med will win this whole thing, and with that performance in SF, especially last two sets, I'm convinced more than ever.
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Checkmate said:
Medvedev in 3. This final will be a total flop.
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Imperator said:
Meddy in 4. It’s a good thing he didn’t have a long SF, can’t wait to see Nadal fans pi**ing themselves during the final.

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Jonas78 said:
Moscow mule in straights.
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wang07 said:
Med in 4. Wouldn't be shocked if it's in straights and a massive reality check for Nadal, just like 3 years ago. For a somewhat well playing Nadal this should've been a free pass to the final and yet he barely made it. He just doesn't have it on HC anymore to take it to the best of the best, and it will show on Sunday. Medvedev to be crowned as a fully deserved #1.
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Emily said:
Honestly, it's not Rafa's to lose, it's Medvedev's. No one from day one predicted Rafa to win and he is still not the favorite. Call me what you want but Medvedev winning will be the most natural thing for me as a Rafan. Rafa winning would be the closest thing to a miracle and I don't believe in miracles.

Medvedev in 3.
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abmk said:
Med in 4 sets. Nadal takes one of the first 2 sets.
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TennisFan3 said:
There really is no path to a Nadal victory here. Even if he plays the tennis of his life and comes out firing, Med can still outlast him physically.
However the more usual matchup between them will just exhaust Nadal and he will lose steam. If Med plays the way he did against Titsp in set 3 and set 4 - it might even be easy.
Med in 3 or 4 is the most likely pick.

Nadal will have to wait for RG to maybe get his #21. AO continues to be cursed for the Spanish star. Nearing 36, he doesn't have the intensity or the endurance to match a 11 years younger opponent.
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Russeljones said:
Med to denadalize in straight sets.
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RF-18 said:
I think Rafa fans are in for a rude awakening. I get that you want to be optimistic but I feel Med will really expose him. His level on this surface is off the charts and has every aspect to counter Nadal. Medvedev right now is on a different level than the rest.
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FlamingCheeto said:
Med in 3, super easy barely an inconvenience
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RF-18 said:
I don't want to hear later about Nadals age, "this was inevitable etc". I'm calling right now Nadal will get exposed on Sunday, Ive been saying it all week if it came to this match. Nadal has no chance. Medvedev ain't playing no games with this form he is in and he is on a different level than anyone rafa played this tournament who was Dying already in the quarters after 3 and a half sets.
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Hold Me Back said:
Medvedev will win the final.
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gjm127 said:
Medvedev in 3. I feel like it will be exactly like USO 2021 F. Why wouldn't it be?
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Ray Mercer said:
I think Medvedev will win. Nadal barely squeaked out a win 3 years ago at the US Open and his level is not nearly as good as it was then. Medvedev on the other hand is at the absolute peak of his career. The rallies in the Aliassime match were at another level than anything Nadal has produced this tournament.
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Day_Tripper said:
Medvedev will win this in four sets possible three. His defence is too good. He only needs to take this past 2 and a half hours and Nadal will start to tire. Once that happens its game over. Nadal has done well to get this far but this won't be a fairytale ending.
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Jonesy said:
Med in 3 by superior grindset.
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onefineday said:
My paw wringing has begun early.
Medvedev in straights.
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celito said:
Medvedev took Nadal to 5 in 2019 final . He is better now and Nadal not as much. Logic says Medvedev.
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Liam Fitzpatrick said:
Medvedev 6-4 6-2 6-3. A dominant win that stuns many but shouldn’t be too surprising. This is by far Rafa’s biggest test so far and he hasn’t been really pushed physically (he struggled going 5 against Shapovalov in a weak five setter). Medvedev is almost unplayable on a hard court and this won’t be close. A statement victory that cements Medvedev as the best post Big 3 player.
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LeastExhaustingPlayer said:
Tonight Med will stop Nadal from getting to 21, as he stopped Djoko at USO to keep the count at 20/20/20.

Med will stop Nadal at FO, Fed at W and Djoko at USO repeatedly for the next few years, and all 4 players will finish their careers at 20/20/20/20.
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abmk said:
Med in 4 sets. They split the first 2 sets and Med takes the next 2.
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After the third round I changed my prediction to Rafa defeating Medvedev in the final. (I was waiting to see if Carlos could get past Matteo in the third round). I had Rafa winning in 4 or 5, predicted 4 on here but wasn't certain it wouldn't take five sets.

So in Rafa's 8 losses in Grand Slam finals 7 have been to the other two in the Big 3, and only one loss to Wawrinka outside of the Big 3. He has now won 8 Grand Slams not on clay. He has a higher percentage of Slam wins than both Djokovic and Federer, who both remain at 20-11. He has won Grand Slams over a 17 year period.

A year ago we had a thread on here with our wishes for Rafa and now one of my two big wishes for him has happened: to win another Australian Open! My other wish might not ever happen but it is for him to win one ATP final.

I remember in 2004 when I first saw Rafa play I knew he was something special and that he was going to be an all-time great. I don't think he even won that match - last year I had the same experience for only the second time since I have been watching tennis - with Carlos.
 
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romeo8880 said:
Health and not dropping dead in 5 years from a poisonous “vaccine” is more important than playing tennis, no?
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Lol!! So you think Nadal sacrificed himself to die to have chances to break the slam count?

Maybe you should realize you believe a load of lies. There's no real evidence it's poison. All the legit evidence by now is that it is very safe. You'll see everybody will be alright.
 
Rickenbacker4003

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To me, when I sum up Nadal's comeback and how it worked for him there's a number of things that had to go right for him and Med on the other side had a big part in it. What I saw from Nadal in the first 2 sets was a guy who respected Med too much. He began playing too tactical. He was overslicing, also forcing his first serve as well. He looked tense and uncomfortable. He was thinking too much. When he lost the second set you could see how deflated he was after blowing the lead. He looked almost resigned. He lost intensity and seemingly just went through the motions. He was there for the taking, here's where Fed and Joker would've pounced and take aggressive action. Med made the crucial mistake of staying passive and just letting Rafa "self-destruct" so to speak. He waited for Nadal to simply hand it over. But when he luckily held serve to 3-3, the crowd got very vocal and were firmly behind Rafa. That may have been the moment Med truly let the crowd get inside his head. Med lacked the ability to step on Rafa's throat on those break points and once he held serve Rafa never looked back.

Another crucial part to the comeback was once the second set ended Nadal stopped playing tactical tennis and went to Rafa tennis. He started swinging freely and played aggressively. It was "I don't care anymore" tennis. Flattening the backhand up the line and crosscourt. The forehand once again had it's sting and he was moving Med around the court instead of picking on a weaker side or changing speeds. Now it was Rafa unleashed and now he looked in his comfort zone. Med, passive as he is didn't counter this and was content to keep chasing balls down. The only diffuser was his aces. Otherwise he was putting zero pressure on Nadal from sets 3 to 5. Nadal knew he wasn't going to come to net unless it was an absolute cannon. This is where the next gen can't compete with the big three, transition game and ability to smell blood. Nadal is a veteran and a champion. He's been around the block a couple of times. His desire to win and will to fight defies his fitness or fatigue.
 
AM75

AM75

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It was a bad match. Nadal's fan club is happy, but in terms of quality it wasn't better than the USO 20. The champion* couldn't serve the 1st serve and made like 70 UE. He was just lucky that Meddy was even worse startig from the 4th set and completely crumbled with the help of the crowd.
 
Fintft

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Rickenbacker4003 said:
To me, when I sum up Nadal's comeback and how it worked for him there's a number of things that had to go right for him and Med on the other side had a big part in it. What I saw from Nadal in the first 2 sets was a guy who respected Med too much. He began playing too tactical. He was overslicing, also forcing his first serve as well. He looked tense and uncomfortable. He was thinking too much. When he lost the second set you could see how deflated he was after blowing the lead. He looked almost resigned. He lost intensity and seemingly just went through the motions. He was there for the taking, here's where Fed and Joker would've pounced and take aggressive action. Med made the crucial mistake of staying passive and just letting Rafa "self-destruct" so to speak. He waited for Nadal to simply hand it over. But when he luckily held serve to 3-3, the crowd got very vocal and were firmly behind Rafa. That may have been the moment Med truly let the crowd get inside his head. Med lacked the ability to step on Rafa's throat on those break points and once he held serve Rafa never looked back.

Another crucial part to the comeback was once the second set ended Nadal stopped playing tactical tennis and went to Rafa tennis. He started swinging freely and played aggressively. It was "I don't care anymore" tennis. Flattening the backhand up the line and crosscourt. The forehand once again had it's sting and he was moving Med around the court instead of picking on a weaker side or changing speeds. Now it was Rafa unleashed and now he looked in his comfort zone. Med, passive as he is didn't counter this and was content to keep chasing balls down. The only diffuser was his aces. Otherwise he was putting zero pressure on Nadal from sets 3 to 5. Nadal knew he wasn't going to come to net unless it was an absolute cannon. This is where the next gen can't compete with the big three, transition game and ability to smell blood. Nadal is a veteran and a champion. He's been around the block a couple of times. His desire to win and will to fight defies his fitness or fatigue.
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Danil did try to S&V( only worked like the first time), drop shots etc.
He was also tired/hobbled.

While Rafa "miracously" ran more and stopped the suspicious sweat...

Kudos to Rafa for going DTL, flattening his shots, variety aka drop shots and strong second serve.
 
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Russeljones said:
There is always someone like you. Very proud because you figured out how a pencil sharpener works. Good on you.
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Oh Come on Russell ! This place is always the same.

Typical TTW Coments :

"Player X" has about much chance of winning as a snow balls chance in hell, they are a "useless bum" with "zero talent" that I ( insert TTW contributors name : something like AbsoluteTotalDickovic42 )
could beat anytime"

"Bum" precedes to strait set opponent
- It happens ALL THE TIME and is why I rarely, if ever make predictions.

Then "AbsoluteTotalDickovic42" will try to mitigate their idiocy with comments like:

Player Xs "Opponent was injured" - A favorite.
Player X cheated; MTO, gamesmanship, toilet breaks, fake injury, etc. etc. etc.
Player X; " Had a cake walk draw " - A particular favorite.
Player Xs; opponent deliberately tanked.
The tennis scoring system is not fair ( Amazed how often this one is used ).
And the perennial favourite - It's just not fair !

So I think pointing out "AbsoluteTotalDickovic42s" idiocy is completely justified.
And shows an inability of contributors to fes and say - I WAS WRONG !
In the face of overwhelming evidence.

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Above - AbsoluteTotalDickovic42 in his mothers basement "enjoying" a game.
With fellow TTW contributors.
"I'veNoBraiNadal2011",
"70sStupidPraterer",
and the newby "NuclearDickheadForgiveMeAsspaceSinner2022".
 
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Rickenbacker4003 said:
To me, when I sum up Nadal's comeback and how it worked for him there's a number of things that had to go right for him and Med on the other side had a big part in it. What I saw from Nadal in the first 2 sets was a guy who respected Med too much. He began playing too tactical. He was overslicing, also forcing his first serve as well. He looked tense and uncomfortable. He was thinking too much. When he lost the second set you could see how deflated he was after blowing the lead. He looked almost resigned. He lost intensity and seemingly just went through the motions. He was there for the taking, here's where Fed and Joker would've pounced and take aggressive action. Med made the crucial mistake of staying passive and just letting Rafa "self-destruct" so to speak. He waited for Nadal to simply hand it over. But when he luckily held serve to 3-3, the crowd got very vocal and were firmly behind Rafa. That may have been the moment Med truly let the crowd get inside his head. Med lacked the ability to step on Rafa's throat on those break points and once he held serve Rafa never looked back.

Another crucial part to the comeback was once the second set ended Nadal stopped playing tactical tennis and went to Rafa tennis. He started swinging freely and played aggressively. It was "I don't care anymore" tennis. Flattening the backhand up the line and crosscourt. The forehand once again had it's sting and he was moving Med around the court instead of picking on a weaker side or changing speeds. Now it was Rafa unleashed and now he looked in his comfort zone. Med, passive as he is didn't counter this and was content to keep chasing balls down. The only diffuser was his aces. Otherwise he was putting zero pressure on Nadal from sets 3 to 5. Nadal knew he wasn't going to come to net unless it was an absolute cannon. This is where the next gen can't compete with the big three, transition game and ability to smell blood. Nadal is a veteran and a champion. He's been around the block a couple of times. His desire to win and will to fight defies his fitness or fatigue.
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I disagree that Med was passive, infact Med played lit more aggressively in 3rd and got 3 breakpoints with a jumping backhand crosscourt winner to emphasize it and I think one of 3 bps, where he hit a backhand long. After Rafa started bossing groundies Med tried different patterns and he was always there, he had couple of opportunities before broke him and he broker Rafa while serving as well.
Credit to Rafa and to Med as for a great match
 
Russeljones

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Picmun said:
Oh Come on Russell ! This place is always the same.

Typical TTW Coments :

"Player X" has about much chance of winning as a snow balls chance in hell, they are a "useless bum" with "zero talent" that I ( insert TTW contributors name : something like AbsoluteTotalDickovic42 )
could beat anytime"

"Bum" precedes to strait set opponent
- It happens ALL THE TIME and is why I rarely, if ever make predictions.

Then "AbsoluteTotalDickovic42" will try to mitigate their idiocy with comments like:

Player Xs "Opponent was injured" - A favorite.
Player X cheated; MTO, gamesmanship, toilet breaks, fake injury, etc. etc. etc.
Player X; " Had a cake walk draw " - A particular favorite.
Player Xs; opponent deliberately tanked.
The tennis scoring system is not fair ( Amazed how often this one is used ).
And the perennial favourite - It's just not fair !

So I think pointing out "AbsoluteTotalDickovic42s" idiocy is completely justified.
And shows an inability of contributors to fes and say - I WAS WRONG !
In the face of overwhelming evidence.

cbac2d23454580f993ba762df514f06c.gif

Above - AbsoluteTotalDickovic42 in his mothers basement "enjoying" a game.
With fellow TTW contributors.
"I'veNoBraiNadal2011",
"70sStupidPraterer",
and the newby "NuclearDickheadForgiveMeAsspaceSinner2022".
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The result is the rebuttal.
 
Picmun

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Russeljones said:
The result is the rebuttal.
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Indeed ! And how may times have the TTW "Book it" brigade suffered...
But cocky as ever they return with their sh1t posted "predictions" of certainty.
It's one of the attractions of this place - the hilarity of predictions !

Everyone was certain of Nadals demise. When Med was 2 sets up people were posting the usual;
"I've stopped watching now."
And
"Nadal is Finnish" BS.
And
"Nadal is done" - "He's no fight left !"
And
"Nadal is too old"

ROTFLMAO !
 
Russeljones

Russeljones

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Picmun said:
Indeed ! And how may times have the TTW "Book it" brigade suffered...
But cocky as ever they return with their sh1t posted "predictions" of certainty.
It's one of the attractions of this place - the hilarity of predictions !

Everyone was certain of Nadals demise. When Med was 2 sets up people were posting the usual;
"I've stopped watching now."
And
"Nadal is Finnish" BS.
And
"Nadal is done" - "He's no fight left !"
And
"Nadal is too old"

ROTFLMAO !
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If you mean the posts during the match, I am with you. I really detest those.
 
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Rafa
close to retirement
1) took around 6 months off in late 2012 to early 2013 and won everything
2)Took around 6 months off in 2017 almost won everything
3) Took around 6 months off in 2021 outlast the russian at AO

Roger
close to retirement
1) took around 6 months off won everything in 2017
2) took 2 months of in 19 made grampa semis in RG outplayed- outfit Novak the marathon runner but chocked in Swiss 2019
Has taken more than 6 months off (swiss 2022)?

Novak
close to retirement
took around 6 months off in 2017 made semis in Au2018
In the next 6 months played very few matches from January to the French did well then won everything.
Took 2 months off now?

Tsitsi Med and Thiem lose 20 finals in a row from exaustion and sometimes get injured.
They didn't take 6 months off
 
Rickenbacker4003

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movies99 said:
I disagree that Med was passive, infact Med played lit more aggressively in 3rd and got 3 breakpoints with a jumping backhand crosscourt winner to emphasize it and I think one of 3 bps, where he hit a backhand long. After Rafa started bossing groundies Med tried different patterns and he was always there, he had couple of opportunities before broke him and he broker Rafa while serving as well.
Credit to Rafa and to Med as for a great match
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I'm sorry, but when you're parked behind the 'Melbourne' sign on the ground you're passive. And that's fine, he can run balls down. But for 3 straight sets of Nadal unleashed it's hard, even for him.
 
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Rickenbacker4003 said:
To me, when I sum up Nadal's comeback and how it worked for him there's a number of things that had to go right for him and Med on the other side had a big part in it. What I saw from Nadal in the first 2 sets was a guy who respected Med too much. He began playing too tactical. He was overslicing, also forcing his first serve as well. He looked tense and uncomfortable. He was thinking too much. When he lost the second set you could see how deflated he was after blowing the lead. He looked almost resigned. He lost intensity and seemingly just went through the motions. He was there for the taking, here's where Fed and Joker would've pounced and take aggressive action. Med made the crucial mistake of staying passive and just letting Rafa "self-destruct" so to speak. He waited for Nadal to simply hand it over. But when he luckily held serve to 3-3, the crowd got very vocal and were firmly behind Rafa. That may have been the moment Med truly let the crowd get inside his head. Med lacked the ability to step on Rafa's throat on those break points and once he held serve Rafa never looked back.

Another crucial part to the comeback was once the second set ended Nadal stopped playing tactical tennis and went to Rafa tennis. He started swinging freely and played aggressively. It was "I don't care anymore" tennis. Flattening the backhand up the line and crosscourt. The forehand once again had it's sting and he was moving Med around the court instead of picking on a weaker side or changing speeds. Now it was Rafa unleashed and now he looked in his comfort zone. Med, passive as he is didn't counter this and was content to keep chasing balls down. The only diffuser was his aces. Otherwise he was putting zero pressure on Nadal from sets 3 to 5. Nadal knew he wasn't going to come to net unless it was an absolute cannon. This is where the next gen can't compete with the big three, transition game and ability to smell blood. Nadal is a veteran and a champion. He's been around the block a couple of times. His desire to win and will to fight defies his fitness or fatigue.
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Agree on the second point but the crowd was equally behind Rafa for the whole match, I don't think that had anything to do with it. After the first set Medved's 1st serve % dropped and he made more unforced errors, he barely missed anything in the first couple sets, whereas Rafa was hitting UE left, right and centre. Rafa began playing more aggressive from the 2nd set, reduced the errors, served better, returned serve like a madman, he began to win the long exchanges and that's what won him the match.
 
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Rickenbacker4003 said:
I'm sorry, but when you're parked behind the 'Melbourne' sign on the ground you're passive. And that's fine, he can run balls down. But for 3 straight sets of Nadal unleashed it's hard, even for him.
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That his gameplay, he starts from behind Melbourne sign but he is generally quick to come on the baseline and sometimes inside it, his problem was that he couldn't handle Rafas power and variety and his own plans B,C,D didn't work against Rafas B,C, D
 
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Emily said:
Honestly, it's not Rafa's to lose, it's Medvedev's. No one from day one predicted Rafa to win and he is still not the favorite. Call me what you want but Medvedev winning will be the most natural thing for me as a Rafan. Rafa winning would be the closest thing to a miracle and I don't believe in miracles.

Medvedev in 3.
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robin7

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Vamos Rafa Nadal said:
After the third round I changed my prediction to Rafa defeating Medvedev in the final. (I was waiting to see if Carlos could get past Matteo in the third round). I had Rafa winning in 4 or 5, predicted 4 on here but wasn't certain it wouldn't take five sets.
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I'm afraid that Rafa won't win the ATP finals unless it is moved to the January.

I have a crazy thought to have Rafa winning the Paris Olympic 2024 and that would make it Double Golden GS. But Novak might achieve a Triple Career GS first.
 
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