Phenomenal
Professional
Maybe idk. I'm saying that he has bigger problem and still young to improve his serve. Idk maybe you mean it's limited and his serve will never improve?
Monte Carlo 2024 ATP Master's 1000 Quarterfinal matchup - [2] Jannik Sinner (ITA) v/s [7] Holger Vitus Nodskov Rune (DEN)
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nolefam_2024
Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah let's see. Anything can happen.
Baseline_Bungle
Hall of Fame
Today, for a while, I saw a bit of the "old" Jannik: the numerous missed chances, the low first serve %, the predictable rally patterns, the distressed and anguished look in his eyes, getting unsettled by the clownery...
The result, however, was perfectly in line with the new inSINNERator Jannik. Tremendously important win from a psychological standpoint - and much more enjoyable than the routine beatdown it could have - and in fact, should have - been.
The leggy Dane is pretty good though. Soooo sorry to see him drop out of the Top 10...
The result, however, was perfectly in line with the new inSINNERator Jannik. Tremendously important win from a psychological standpoint - and much more enjoyable than the routine beatdown it could have - and in fact, should have - been.
The leggy Dane is pretty good though. Soooo sorry to see him drop out of the Top 10...
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TheGoldenEra1990’s
Semi-Pro
Depends on how you look at it. If there was a day to beat sinner it was today. He wasn’t quite as solid. You can’t let those opportunities go to waste if your Rune and need a serious confidence booster. Cause sometimes all it takes is that one big win to get things really clicking. Look at what the AO did for sinner
Phenomenal
Professional
Sinner can hit through anyone with his forehand. Idk why can't he be successfull on clay. True that his game suits HC more but he should be fine on clay and can win any tournament to me. Clay field is not strong either.
Sinner becoming more confident and improving every day must be fun to watch for fans.
Sinner becoming more confident and improving every day must be fun to watch for fans.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Result was NID so we decided to take a break for a while. Our boy marches on and Mama's boy was sent home crying. Sinner needs to improve though and stop choking.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Rune couldn't break Sinner even once in three sets and posters here are hyping up ? Seriously.
alexio
G.O.A.T.
he was in terminator mode on a tiebreak, not sonic.. and even his beastic sight didnt help haha, so lets give a bit of credit to holger here, our lovely daddy..
NaDjoFed
Rookie
Today, for a while, I saw a bit of the "old" Jannik: the numerous missed chances, the low first serve %, the predictable rally patterns, the distressed and anguished look in his eyes, getting unsettled by the clownery...
The result, however, was perfectly in line with the new inSINNERator Jannik. Tremendously important win from a psychological standpoint - and much more enjoyable than the routine beatdown it could have - and in fact, should have - been.
The leggy Dane is pretty good though. Soooo sorry to see him drop out of the Top 10...
true, but we can't expect Sinner to dominate all matches. He is not a robot. At the beginning of the clay seasons the expectation was "to do well", now we ask to win every Masters1000. And this was on Clay vs Rune, same court where he lost last year.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
No ,son!
alexio
G.O.A.T.
ghostofMecir
Legend
This was a very good match overall for the game. I hope Rune continues to improve so that we can have some great matches in the future,
1. Rune has shown some mental fortitude these past few months. He saved a match point vs. Fritz after being completely outplayed for two sets and then came back to win. He did the same vs. Grigor though that match was closer. He showed great resolve in that second set TB.
2. Rune showed thst he has the game and firepower to do great things potentially.
3. Sinner…nothing shakes him. He was dominant on serve; before that BP chance Rune had in the third set, Rune had won like 14 return points on 13 serve games. He saved it, as per usual this year, then took his chance to close.
4. Even in a match that’s close per AD scoring system, Sinner won the dominance ratio at 1.60 and won 56% of the points played, which is on par for the season—56% of points won over this long stretch of time is crazy.
1. Rune has shown some mental fortitude these past few months. He saved a match point vs. Fritz after being completely outplayed for two sets and then came back to win. He did the same vs. Grigor though that match was closer. He showed great resolve in that second set TB.
2. Rune showed thst he has the game and firepower to do great things potentially.
3. Sinner…nothing shakes him. He was dominant on serve; before that BP chance Rune had in the third set, Rune had won like 14 return points on 13 serve games. He saved it, as per usual this year, then took his chance to close.
4. Even in a match that’s close per AD scoring system, Sinner won the dominance ratio at 1.60 and won 56% of the points played, which is on par for the season—56% of points won over this long stretch of time is crazy.
dking68
Legend
Was caught up today, didn’t watch the match. Surprised it went this close, I guess clay is really where he thrives the most. Still think Sinner is winning this tournament irregardless
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Great match here, want to see more of that going forward. Rune's in a good place on the clay - with the right draw RG could be an opportune moment to squeeze a SF or even Final appearance
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
This match ended up being pretty good. Some where predicting a Rune beatdown given Sinner's form and Rune's preceding long match. Kudos to both. I like having Rune as challenger again; hopefully he can continue playing well for all of the clay season.
Move
Hall of Fame
Agreed. Still not fond of his shady gamesmanship tactics though ...
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Move
Hall of Fame
There are encouraging signs : not cursing at his Mother and having wild discussions with his team anymore so it seems
albertobra
Hall of Fame
What we learned:
-Brat mama needs to be watching. Defenitely good for her boy.
-Mouratoglou is curiously booed when captured on screen
-Baseline Bungle is the most jinx poster. Only posts before and after the match. Ohh and does not vote on the poll.
-Brat mama needs to be watching. Defenitely good for her boy.
-Mouratoglou is curiously booed when captured on screen
-Baseline Bungle is the most jinx poster. Only posts before and after the match. Ohh and does not vote on the poll.
Rafa4LifeEver
G.O.A.T.
True, but it is what it is.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
He never cursed at his mother. He told her to leave the stadium - big difference. Holger said to her verbatim, "if you're not helping, leave." No cursing, no profanity. People here just invent whatever they feel like because hardly anyone calls them out for mis-info.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...uts-player-s-box-asking-french-open-semifinal
Pmasterfunk
Hall of Fame
I've had most of them blocked for a long time now, I didn't get why people complained about his fans, then I clicked on "Show ignored"
Big save from Ruud on BP, some decent tennis right now.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
All happened a bit but overall it was a - yes - dominating performance. There is no way that Rune can win a match against Sinner in RG with that performance gap. Obviously he will improve but Sinner is not yet in his prime.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Agreed, he plays better under pressure. Maybe attacking helps him perform.
He moves very well and has good groundstrokes, which is excellent on clay.
Both were very aggressive with their first serves but Sinner was once again able to back it up with a stunning second serve performance.
His stats are crazy, only the absolute best seasons of the best compare.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
The Dane did better than I expected.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I expected him to take a set but lose. When you play almost 5 hours the previous day and they screw you over massively with the scheduling (second match on instead of third.... seriously!?), a win was going to be remote under the circumstances. Especially since Sinner has been dominant all year. Rune has never played Sinner where he didn't win or at least take one set and the pattern continued today.The Dane did better than I expected.
Holger stayed toe to toe with Sinner, both physically and mentally, up until the very end. The only other player who has been able to do that in 2024 is Carlos, so I'm proud of my boy hanging tough and showing fighting spirit and surprising fitness after Thursday's double scheduling. Rune also didn't pull out of the doubles and played his match with Fritz after losing to Sinner. Recall that Djokovic pulled out of mixed doubles in the Olympics, so Rune could have easily given the doubles a walkover. Slowly but surely he's rounding into a more physically fit player and hopefully, the mental part will soon follow.
We'll see how he reacts to falling out of the top 10. He has 1250 points to defend from now until the FO concludes, so he has his work cut out for him in the next 2 months.
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
It was good fun. He’ll win one of The Big clay things this year.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
What Reddit thinks about Holger today (I know... "nobody gives af"), they get it, unlike TTW.
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Based on what are you saying this?
Sinner still "suffers" Rune, as they say. Rune is bratty, resorts to every cheap tactic in the book, and particularly at MC last year was way out of line in trying to bother Sinner (and it worked that time).
Just like at the tour finals, Sinner plays tight against Rune because, I suspect, he can't stand the thought of losing to the punk. And even considering that, it still wasn't all that close for a 3 setter.
Yep, see above. I suspect Sinner really hates the thought of losing to Rune. Always seems extra tight against him.
Sinner was on a roll well before the AO. Basically since he threw up on court in Shanghai (or the other Chinese tournament that he won beating Alcaraz and Medvedev).
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
What are you so mad about? Losing to Italy in the last Euros? Marquez never being as good as Rossi? Not being able to build a decent grand prix car or motorcycle? I can go on...
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
It will never come home for them. Italy and Argentina will keep making them cry.
Baseline_Bungle
Hall of Fame
He's a member alright!
Sinner has trouble with Rune because Rune can hang with him from the baseline, from the backhand and even take the ball as early as him.
Besides that, he can disrupt rallies a lot with loopy balls, very quick approaches or smacking the ball out of nowhere.
The match could definitely have been closer if Rune did not try to to smack the ball at every return, but he clearly did not feel confident in his fitness if he were to extend rallies.
The match was very good and rallies very quick. I think Rune deals with such fast rallies atop the baseline better than Carlos at the moment, but Carlos insane forehand makes a big difference.
Meles
Bionic Poster
For me this was the best match of the year. Rune had a limited arsenal due to nearly five hours on court the day before, but he still produced an incredible level and tennis never seen on a clay court before. Jannik handled it admirably, but the match did hurt him and I believe that is why he lost the first set with Tsitsipas and ultimately the match due to injury (hopefully minor) or worse cramping. Rune's all out aggression puts a tremendous amount of mental and physical pressure on opponents. It will be interesting if he can fine tune this game plan and win with it (I doubt it, but its better than the nonstop cramping.
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Meles
Bionic Poster
Agree on the suffering and Holger not being up to it in general, but what he did in this match to cover it up was shear brilliance and I'd like to see him do it in best of five where the opponents road runnering to defend against the shots might really feel the impact during the match. Holger put in motion the derailment of the Sinner express with this match.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Nope 2024 is his big push year like Djoko 2011 or even Nadal 2010. He obviously can improve his serve game further, but this year is his big leap. Same age as Fed in 2004.
Meles
Bionic Poster
This went well as #1 and #2 destroyed by clay court specialists today.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Meles
Bionic Poster
I think you're deluding yourself saying Holger and fitness in the same sentence.
Holger never did an extended rally in this match except just a few times (like final point before sit down or just after a sit down.) Holger was a mental genius covering it up and frankly I don't think I've ever seen more effective attacking tennis on a clay court. Would have been better if he had the energy to defend hard to get some of the breaks, but he only was able to flash that for a key point or two (breaker, etc.) He has the dumbest scheduling on tour, but on court generally very, very smart.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Sinner has undeniably entered his prime in 2004 with a bang and a massive jump in both his return and serve numbers (usually it is more of a return jump around age 23-35). I've never seen ANY player who did this two years in a row. Holger and Carlos are not in their prime by this definition, but don't despair because for the time being Jannik has left them in the dust. I also seriously doubt that when the leap happens for those two that it will be nearly as impressive.
Meles
Bionic Poster
It may be possible. I'd love to have seen this match go to a fourth set. Sinner did not look too good against Tsits in the first set today. Holger unleashed hell upon Sinner and though the points were short they did require a lot of dynamic movement from Sinner that clearly took its tool. Holger would have had a big chance to win this match if not for the unfortunate scheduling. Sinner had a massive advantage for time on the court for the tournament.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Yeah.
He only cursed at Etcheverry and of course the ATP Tour on twitter today.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Nor do the umpires, but they played into his hands with the unsportmanslike call and subsequent 2 minute sit down for the tournament referee. The umpires call on the mark was a ridiculous rig job as well, but at least Holger won the TB despite a point being stolen from him. I'm pretty sure without the call and two minute sit down that Sinner takes this in two sets without a breaker. Holger was on empty at 0-30 and used his typical time violation to recover a bit more, and then the umpire interceded for golden child Jannik.
Probably cost him the tournament.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
“Nonstop cramping?”al and physical pressure on opponents. It will be interesting if he can fine tune this game plan and win with it (I doubt it, but its better than the nonstop cramping.
The last time Rune had full cramping was Acapulco in February, 2023. The last time he showed a hint of cramping was Madrid, 2023. He’s not cramped once since then.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
He didn’t curse at his mother, that was the issue which I addressed. He also didn’t curse on his Twitter today.Yeah.
Why do people here continually invent things here? Come on, Meles.
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