[1] Federer vs [Q] Delbonis Hamburg SF
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monfed
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Too sensible for TW, are you sure you're in the right place? :lol:
zagor
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He's borderline top 100 isn't he? Regardless, when said 10 player is in a slump/going through a bad patch it isn't uncommon at all.
I mean, one loss can be written off as coincidence but two? A bit harder.
First it's Stakhovsky, then Delbonis, you gotta wonder which next challenger level player will somehow find his best tennis against Fed next.
My opinion? If Fed doesn't get his game into shape (though of course, this could be seen as an adaption period for the new racquet, any such big change is gonna take time to adapt to) he'll find more and more players playing *the best tennis of their life* against him.
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JRAJ1988
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I think you're right, one thing I've noticed about Federer is he doesn't have that aura of "I'm going to win" anymore and his opponents sense that.
6-1 6-3 6-0
Banned
Deep, trenchant insecurity.
Except federer didn't lose to no-names in early rounds of slams in his prime like nadal and pete did.
zagor
Bionic Poster
You didn't get my point.
I don't think the problem is Fed's lack of "Aura", I think the problem lies within his game right now (and this year overall).
Doesn't matter what Delbonis senses or how much he believes in victory, if Fed's on his game he'll find a way to beat that caliber of opponent, he'll weather the storm and take his chances when they come.
Another way of putting it, it's hard not to believe you can win when you're a professional athlete and your opponent is hitting powderpuff FHs, shanking like crazy and pilling UFEs when he tries to be agressive, if you don't believe in those circumstances then you're better off switching to a different profession.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Because Fed didn't start losing to no-namers until he was at the age in which your idol has already retired.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
90's Clay
Banned
Canas??????
Jeepers
Professional
Fed seems to be lacking weapons, he's looking kind of impotent out there. He was very rarely dictating play in that match, even when he hit a good forehand to open up the court, he would follow it with a average pace down the middle shot, letting Delbonis back into the point. I remember the days when if he had the slightest look at a forehand the point was as good as his
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Sampras was already long retired at this stage, like a good year or so.
In 2012 (or 2002 for Sampras) Federer was still a major force, won Wimbledon, 3 Masters, 6 titles overall and regained the no 1 spot for 20 weeks. What was Sampras doing in 2001-2002 other than fluking one US Open thanks to a joke draw and Agassi waiting in the final (who took out Sampras' nightmare in teh SF btw).
How is he "destroying it all"?
Does Federer losing now somehow remove his previous slam titles?
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Nadal lost in R1 and R2 in consecutive Wimbledons to no names, gooby please...
Canas took out Federer in some Masters, Fed would destroy him if they played in a Slam at the time.
counterloop
Professional
It's always difficult to watch a legend get old......it was very painful to watch Jordan when he played with the Wizards...
zagor
Bionic Poster
When on form Canas is a top 10 player (highest ranking #8 ), has 7 career titles including one masters.
A no-namer is a challenger level player, like say Ramon Delgado.
Regarding slams, Fed hasn't lost to a no-namer since say 2003 FO till this year's Wimbledon.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Sampras didn't decide to officially retire until around Wimbledon 2003 IIRC but yes he hasn't played a match all year at Fed's current age so you could say he was effectively retired.
I don't want Fed to retire. I don't care if he loses to nobodies all the time. Even if he's declined, it's still more fun to watch him play than watching anyone else. I also don't care about his "legacy" being damaged. I actually find it a bit humorous when people have just started watching tennis and see this old man and ask: Is that.. supposed to be the GOAT?
I mean, his legacy is set. You can't make 17 Grand Slams and 302 weeks at #1 look bad just by losing a couple of bad matches in your last years before retirement.
On the other hand, I will be very sad if he does retire now because tennis will become a lot less fun to watch for me
I mean, his legacy is set. You can't make 17 Grand Slams and 302 weeks at #1 look bad just by losing a couple of bad matches in your last years before retirement.
On the other hand, I will be very sad if he does retire now because tennis will become a lot less fun to watch for me
Clarky21
Banned
I agree. People need to stop with this retirement nonsense. Hopefully Fed gets his act together by the time Roger's Cup starts.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
I can't believe his play is not somehow related to an underlying condition that is not severe but a hinderance, and not really something amenable to fixing.
He may have entered the Hewitt-zone of impaired play from an ongoing condition, but he can't of course say as much.
He may have entered the Hewitt-zone of impaired play from an ongoing condition, but he can't of course say as much.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Thank heavens, a true fan. There are some of us.
PrinceMoron
Legend
Federer can and should do what he wants.
He will be retired for a lot longer than anyone here, so while he is not injured he should just play if that is what he wants to do.
He is still playing at a level higher than most professionals get near to.
He is smart enough to know when it is time to stop. Not exactly as if he is going to turn into Ali and be shuffling around at the Olympics. He has earnt the right to play as long as he wants, and sorry to anyone at the start of a career in tennis trying to get into main draws. Life is tough.
He will be retired for a lot longer than anyone here, so while he is not injured he should just play if that is what he wants to do.
He is still playing at a level higher than most professionals get near to.
He is smart enough to know when it is time to stop. Not exactly as if he is going to turn into Ali and be shuffling around at the Olympics. He has earnt the right to play as long as he wants, and sorry to anyone at the start of a career in tennis trying to get into main draws. Life is tough.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
I'm a little confused as to what you mean re. dimension... Perhaps it's the keyboard/keypad? But regardless, as Rippy also states, him continuing to play doesn't change what he has already done. It's up to him to retire when he chooses. I appreciate it's objective as to whether his legacy will be hurt if he continues losing to much lower ranked players, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
Thanks for confirming your age too
As expected, anyone with a valid reply would have been older than the age I presumed and be able to explain their reasoning. And the comments others have made re. mental age, yes, you're all indeed correct.
dunlop_fort_knox
Professional
yes his impaired condition is called "being 32".
Sartorius
Hall of Fame
Brands played very well, little to no errors when it mattered and aggressive hitting. Federer is probably still trying to find form, but I don't think he played that poorly in this tournament. He was very good against Mayer. Still though, the back might be a question mark.
"Retire" songs are around again. Funny IMO, it's quite clear to me Federer is not stopping anytime soon. The racket change and playing this tournament (and Gstaad next) are further signs, a loss doesn't indicate otherwise.
"Retire" songs are around again. Funny IMO, it's quite clear to me Federer is not stopping anytime soon. The racket change and playing this tournament (and Gstaad next) are further signs, a loss doesn't indicate otherwise.
ST VINCENT FAN
Rookie
Looks like the wheels have fallen off!!! He didn't look like the same player anymore
zagor
Bionic Poster
It is, something Nadal fans will understand in a few years time.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
federer has been Delbonized............Sweet.....:lol:
mellowyellow
Legend
Any thoughs on Feds form? Wss his back an issue today? Did it look like the consecutive 3 setters culminated into lethargic unmotivated play today?
zagor
Bionic Poster
Oh, so you are capable of using a different smiley?
He's at the tail end of his career so these kinda losses are gonna happen more and more, it is to be expected (not to mention that he underwent a big equipment change recently), aside from Agassi (who was unique in that regard) all the other Open Era tennis greats (from Laver and Lendl to Sampras) experienced the same.
That said, atleast he wasn't getting smacked around by journeymen at Wimbledon in the middle of his career (he was busy making Wimbledon finals), yes? Sorry I forgot to add :twisted::twisted::twisted:
NADALbULLS
Banned
I know, even at the World Tour Finals, Nadal would be favorite vs Federer.
fednad
Hall of Fame
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
fednad
Hall of Fame
Finally!
Yessssss !! Ohh yesssssssssss !!
Took 10 yars but still.....
Ohh yesssssssssss baby.....
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
Delboned is better.
MaiDee
Professional
Looks like the wheels have fallen off!!! He didn't look like the same player anymore
Homeboy Hotel
Hall of Fame
Federer was playing with tape on his back
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monfed
Guest
Possible but hard to say with Fed since he keeps his injury under wraps most of the time unlike a certain *cough* Mallorcan *cough*
I felt that the lack of power in his shots today was from playing back to back 3 set matches with very little turnaround time(esp since his last match was played at night). The guy's 32 and has over a 1000 matches under his belt.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
Wow is this really the end of the Eagle?
I don't wanna watch Fed anymore if he's gonna be losing to randoms.
I don't wanna watch Fed anymore if he's gonna be losing to randoms.
romeo8880
G.O.A.T.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
It's easy to keep your injury under wraps under your shirt but not on your knees, unless you are suggesting that a certain Mallorcan should play in long pants.
powerangle
Legend
Yikes, that was really bad from Fed. This decline is accelerating more than I had anticipated, that's for sure.
You beat me to it
And if I remember correctly, didn't a certain Jerzy Janowicz beat a certain top 5 player in Paris last year on an amazing run, coming out of nowhere?
It happens.
That said, Federer was not great today. And his opponent playing his best tennis needed two tie breakers.
His opponent played 2 tiebreakers against Verdasco. This wasn't any different tennis than Delbonis has been playing in the tournament.
Delbonis played to Feds backhand, smart tactics on clay.
Federer is 31 and he is having some bad losses here and there, what do you all expect?
I have seen this same thing to all past great players. Sooner or later they start to have more bad days than usual, their level fluctuates more, it is impossible to play constantly at your highest level when you are 30+ years old and have been at the very top for SO LONG.
He will play much better than this in the following tournaments, and he will play really good tennis again at the US OPEN.
When he starts losing before QF in many consecutive GS tournaments, then it will be due time to retire (only if he wants to).
I have seen this same thing to all past great players. Sooner or later they start to have more bad days than usual, their level fluctuates more, it is impossible to play constantly at your highest level when you are 30+ years old and have been at the very top for SO LONG.
He will play much better than this in the following tournaments, and he will play really good tennis again at the US OPEN.
When he starts losing before QF in many consecutive GS tournaments, then it will be due time to retire (only if he wants to).
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
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