mightyjeditribble
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He's not won yet, only made the semis. It's not going to be easy to win the tournament even with Djokodal out, he's not lost here to them in the past two years but to others.
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2019 ATP Final RR: [2] Novak Djokovic vs [3] Roger Federer
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Meles
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Meles
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We'll know next week during Davis Cup Finals just how bad the Djokovic injury to his elbow may be. The return numbers are too good to be true and frankly so were Thiem's. Proof will be in the pudding next week on how much Djokovic plays if at all. Djokovic said he had some pain in the match and then it was not a problem. And yet still discussed that he won't know for sure about Davis Cup for a few more days due to the elbow pain.
Frankly Fed's play from IW (well really took off in Miami) through Wimbledon was unbelievablely superlative.
I'm not sure about the low pace of Fed's forehand. The camera angle is a bit compressed at the O2 and its makes everything look slower and spinnier than reality.
I've watched the practice courts this week and not one Fed session in the replays. I suspect he does not practice at all the week of the tournament to protect his back (Kyrgios never practices serve). He may hit off-site, but just to warm up a touch is my suspicion. I think his back and serve go hand in hand so great sign that he served well against Djokovic and has a day off before playing again on Saturday.
EllieK
Hall of Fame
Marat was amazing that match. So was Fed. It was a shot making smorgasbord of the highest order. I hate it when some of the best GS matches I've seen are ones where Roger lost
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
For all the Novak fans about the "hideous crowds," why not take a listen to your guy who actually was there?Nole not @NoleFam said in press conference when asked that he like the atmosphere for the match.
"It was an important match, and I think every time I face Roger or Rafa anywhere in the world, it's a lot of excitement. So it was a full stadium, which was nice to see. It was loud. It was electric. You know, it was a good atmosphere."
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Hopefully you are a man and will stick to your words.
Feather
Legend
His own fans call him mental midget. I have seen some Roger fans saying Roger would have won X slams had be been not a mental midget. How moronic to call a 20 slam winner mental midget, choker etc..
I know it was a pretty bad lose for Roger Federer at 40-15, probably he may have choked but to call him a choker is nonsense. He has won so many matches, as recent as AO 2017 that too against Rafa, from the brinks of defeat. It's one thing to say Rafa or Novak is mentally stronger but to say Roger Federer is mentally weak is insane.
Have to say Roger has some truly irritating fans on this board.
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Sadly it's easier to go big when you've only been playing under an hour... Someone should've given him a 5 hour energy that gameWhere was this serving at 40-15
Federer and Del Potro
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Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
Federer shut a lot of his own 'fans' up more than anyone else today. Funny stuff. Good on ya Maestro. I was very upset at the Wimbledon loss but didn't feel the need to denigrate Fed constantly. 40-15 is funny to joke about because it WAS a gutwrenching way to lose control of the match but he's not a mental midget or anything because of it. It just didn't work out. 1 point goes differently and the entire narrative changes. So to me, it's important to find a middle ground. Federer lost a tight match, the opposite of the 2017 AO Final. It sucks but it's sport. He came as close as you possibly can to winning without doing it. Today he proved to himself, his optimistic fans, and his fans that constantly call him a choker that he's still got the chops at 38 to beat the one man that has really given him fits in the biggest matches of the last 4-5 years. An ATG and possibly the best returner of all time.
Mental midgets don't win 20 slams. Mental midgets do not put themselves in positions almost constantly to win matches, even matches that their form isn't up to snuff in. Fed is a legend. So are Nadal/Djokovic.
Federer really did the only thing he didn't get a chance to in 2017 - beat Djokovic in a meaningful match. No, it wasn't Wimbledon, unfortunately. But it was a big match - YE #1 on the line for Djokovic, lots to play for. Could deal yet another devastating blow to Fed's mentality. But Federer turned it around with a clinic. Will it impact future matches? No way of knowing. But Federer proved a lot today.
Feather
Legend
Beautifully written! You are one of my favourite posters here. Like you, I too share the love for Roger Federer and Juan Martin del Potro.
Correctly said Roger shut his fans too! I mean it's one thing to say Novak Djokovic is the huge favourite but to talk like Roger Federer has absolutely no chance is like being disrespectful to Roger. Also i think after AO 2019, Novak Djokovic is not invincible. He lost many matches and he was shaky. Wimbledon, I expected Roger Federer to win but it turned out to be a disaster. I felt that Novak Djokovic is in his head. How else can you explain Roger playing so well most of the time and on pressure points tiebreakers playing very tight. If Roger had a win against Novak Djokovic in any of the masters before Wimbledon, probably Roger would have prevailed. Not saying this win will help Roger Federer beat Novak Djokovic if they meet in AO 2020. Novak Djokovic is too good a player, an ATG. However, I don't expect Roger Federer to be tight on important points the way he was in Wimbledon 2019!
This win will certainly help Roger Federer to be confident the next time they both play. Let us see how they play next time
The previous two matches, one in indoor (Paris 2018) where Roger wasn't broken at all but lost two tiebreakers was also a damn close match which could have gone either way. After that match and Wimbledon 2019, another extremely close match, if a guy thought that Roger Federer had no chance yesterday then he is clueless about the game.
PS: I know you don't like Liverpool. But I am huge Liverpool fan and hope we will win League this year
Federer and Del Potro
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Appreciate that mate. You're one of my favorites as well. Your optimism is refreshing around here because sometimes it is in direly short supply. Glad Federer was able to reward you today for your persistent and genuine optimism.
As for Liverpool, thank you for giving more more reason to root them on hahaha. I will be very happy for you if they win the league now. I did not know you were a Liverpool fan.
Congrats on Champions league win! Massive achievement.
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
A fair point there. Can't blame Djoko fans for moving in for the kill when we insist on acting like one match ruined his whole career.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I think between Tsitsipas and Zverev, H2H will take precedence.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
From a 38 year old no.
From Federer? Hell yes. You don't do what he did at Wimb and not expect majors. He has to make up for that horrendous loss.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Federer as a tennis player is not mentally weak.
As a GOAT candidate though? He kinda is. He should be compared to Rafa and Nole in this department because who else we should compare him to? He is 10 times better than 98% of the ATP tour anyway, so mentally he has to be compared to his equals because that's the only thing separating them as in terms of ability they are inseparable.
He has failed too many times against them because of poor mental strength.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
I'll reserve my judgements for the next time they play in a slam that is not RG.
This was a great win, but if Djokovic wins their next slam match, it will have turned out to be meaningless.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Woot.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
This was a great win, but so was Cincy 2015 and in the end it meant nothing for the 2015 USO as Fed STILL got tight on the big points.
That's why I will reserve my judgement on this win, even though I do think it was a great one.
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Gazelle
G.O.A.T.
Did Djok succumb under the pressure of playing for number one position?
I thought he played very weirdly. Much more aggressive, normally he's more controlled and tries to grind Federer down. He hit quite a lot of winners which was interesting to see, but he played the type of game in which Federer will always be better 90% of the times.
Maybe he thought he had been too passive against Thiem and tried to rectify that?
I thought he played very weirdly. Much more aggressive, normally he's more controlled and tries to grind Federer down. He hit quite a lot of winners which was interesting to see, but he played the type of game in which Federer will always be better 90% of the times.
Maybe he thought he had been too passive against Thiem and tried to rectify that?
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
He looked like he was putting air onto the ball and varying the pace through the match. His slice was also slow and with some air which really made it stall on the bounce - It seemed to me like he was content to let Djoker generate his own pace from behind the baseline rather than counterpunch and redirect his own, which he does so effectively, as well as allow himself more margin for error (hence the measly 5 unforced errors(?)) in the process. This was possibly made extra effective by being quite the contrast in ball that Thiem was delivering every other shot a couple of days prior. I suppose he made the most of the tools he had available (which as you suggest, did not really include a typical fearhand).
His serving was also ridiculous.
Povl Carstensen
Legend
No great win is meaningless
Meles
Bionic Poster
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
You'll find trashy fans of all players though. You don't think there are some super trashy Djokovic fans or Rafa fans?
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Why would you expect an almost 39 year old Fed to win a best of 5 against another all time great 6 years his junior on a slower surface? That’s ridiculous. You realize Feds contemporaries like Roddick, Safin, Ferrero etc. have been retired for almost a decade. It’s insane he’s still going and winning big matches at his age. I think Fed’s mental strength is understated because he’s a shot maker unlike Nadal and Djokovic who are pushers/grinders. It’s much harder to hit winners and hit spots on big points than just run down balls and put the ball back into play. Djokovic and Nadal just use their youth and defence to put the ball back in play and play the pusher role in big points. The final Wimbledon tie break is a perfect example as Djokovic did not hit a single winner.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
After how close he came at Wimb, damn straights I have such expectations from him.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
I don’t think the crowd was bad to Novak in WTF. And I am sensitive about that stuff. Wimbledon was bad, USO too. Not WTF.Nole not @NoleFam said in press conference when asked that he like the atmosphere for the match.
Fed got more cheers, but that is not so strange. I don’t think they were vile towards Novak. Many cheered for Novak too.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
He is playing much better than his first match against Thiem though.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Actually it was 21,000 cheering for Roger and 3 on the Djoker bandwagon, but it's all good.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
I watch the match and it was loads of cheers for Novak too. I thought of it during the match, WTF better for Novak than Wimbledon when it comes to this. At a point I thought they cheered so much for Novak I felt it wasn’t so good for Novak as Novak often win when crowd massively against him.Actually it was 21,000 cheering for Roger and 3 on the Djoker bandwagon, but it's all good.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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volleynets
Hall of Fame
How did Federer not win the group? He and Thiem both went 2-1 but Federer is 4-2 in sets while Thiem is 4-3 losing one more set. Did they consider that Thiem beat Fed over the set tiebreaker?
roysid
Hall of Fame
In case of three way tie h2h doesn't matter, set win loss matter.
It seems you haven't read my post or ignorant of the three way tie.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, if only 2 players are tied then the winner is the one who won the match between them.
roysid
Hall of Fame
In case of two guys having same points, their h2h in this tournament decides the winner. Thiem and fed both had 2 wins, but thiem won the match between them.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
h2h decides the tiebreaker, unfortunately.
youngpolyhater
Rookie
TRUE
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
Probably going to end up being just fine, since Fed will end up having to play either an exhausted Tsitsipas or Nadal in his semi. If Zverev wins, then Tsitsipas wins the group and plays Fed. If Zverev loses then Nadal wins the group and plays Fed in the semis.
volleynets
Hall of Fame
They're not tied though, Thiem lost one more set than Federer. It's even on the table next to W/L. Thiem is 4-3 vs Roger 4-2. It should only come to H2H if the delta in games was equal too.
Federer outperformed Thiem overall despite going down to him.
StrongRule
Talk Tennis Guru
I mean tied in match wins. If 3 players are tied then it is decided by sets, if only 2 then by the winner of their match. Tsitsipas is 5-2 in sets while Nadal is 4-4. But if Medvedev wins tonight then Nadal will take the first place due to beating Tsitsipas.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
I heard someone say that he was practicing at Queen's Club. Also in his press conferences Fed has talked about the juniors he's been practicing with.We'll know next week during Davis Cup Finals just how bad the Djokovic injury to his elbow may be. The return numbers are too good to be true and frankly so were Thiem's. Proof will be in the pudding next week on how much Djokovic plays if at all. Djokovic said he had some pain in the match and then it was not a problem. And yet still discussed that he won't know for sure about Davis Cup for a few more days due to the elbow pain.
Frankly Fed's play from IW (well really took off in Miami) through Wimbledon was unbelievablely superlative.
I'm not sure about the low pace of Fed's forehand. The camera angle is a bit compressed at the O2 and its makes everything look slower and spinnier than reality.
I've watched the practice courts this week and not one Fed session in the replays. I suspect he does not practice at all the week of the tournament to protect his back (Kyrgios never practices serve). He may hit off-site, but just to warm up a touch is my suspicion. I think his back and serve go hand in hand so great sign that he served well against Djokovic and has a day off before playing again on Saturday.
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We'll know next week during Davis Cup Finals just how bad the Djokovic injury to his elbow may be. The return numbers are too good to be true and frankly so were Thiem's. Proof will be in the pudding next week on how much Djokovic plays if at all. Djokovic said he had some pain in the match and then it was not a problem. And yet still discussed that he won't know for sure about Davis Cup for a few more days due to the elbow pain.
Frankly Fed's play from IW (well really took off in Miami) through Wimbledon was unbelievablely superlative.
I'm not sure about the low pace of Fed's forehand. The camera angle is a bit compressed at the O2 and its makes everything look slower and spinnier than reality.
I've watched the practice courts this week and not one Fed session in the replays. I suspect he does not practice at all the week of the tournament to protect his back (Kyrgios never practices serve). He may hit off-site, but just to warm up a touch is my suspicion. I think his back and serve go hand in hand so great sign that he served well against Djokovic and has a day off before playing again on Saturday.
motherf... stop with the kiss of death on the old man! He doomed now!
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Pretty funny going back and reading what was said in the moment. I would've been right there with you guys if I'd been watching live; overanalyzing every forehand, questioning every shot selection, panicking at every BP.
But getting to watch this already knowing the final score ended up being quite a treat. I was able to sit back and enjoy the absolute clinic Roger was putting on without worrying about if one missed shot would unravel and lead to getting broken.
But getting to watch this already knowing the final score ended up being quite a treat. I was able to sit back and enjoy the absolute clinic Roger was putting on without worrying about if one missed shot would unravel and lead to getting broken.
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