California Girls - Indian Wells WTA Discussion

[Tanya]

*attitude and attention seeking ways* - Huh? got an example or two? cuz I know youre not so petty as to be referring to Caro's minimal and infrequent exchanges with umpires.

*zero weapons* - that makes you sound like just another WTA hater! Cuz if Caro was able to maintain the world no. 1 position with "zero weapons," then that means all the other 100+ players in the world who were playing during the 67 weeks that Caroline was World No. 1 have less than zero weapons. that surprises me that you'd be one of those, Tanya! :shock:

"had her opponent just not made so many errors, she would have been off the court in straight sets" CMON, Tanya, make sense ..... name the player who doesnt profit from her opponent's errors? that's the nature of the game of tennis: you profit (gain points) from your opponent's errors. that's a FULL HALF of the scoring system.

"it was just her head that got in her way" ..... again you shock me ... this time with your poor opinion of the mental game of tennis! there's really nothing more important, IMO. In fact, Caro's inability to win a slam is because her father has forced her to remain reliant on him for the mental aspect, a brain to call upon when the body isn't maintaining the lead.

"Caroline has shown no improvement" ... anybody who considers movement up the ranks as "improvement" knows the falsity of that point, and the fact that you make it leads me to believe that you've got an axe to grind, maybe some other player you prefer. that's what's really the basis for your emotions, isnt it?

speaking of players you prefer causing you to "hate" other players and delight in their defeat, did you see nadal beat federer today? ... you can hope for such a satisfaction at a match result by watching Caro play Kerber tomorrow! :razz:

Sigh, I will never understand your fanaticism for Caroline.

Attention seeking: her ridiculous story about being attacked by a kangaroo, interrupting other players' press conferences, mocking other players by stuffing her shirt, etc etc.

Attitude: a recent example being her hissy fit in Doha (or was it Dubai?) against Barthel in which daddy got involved and bullied the chair umpire into changing a call. And I'm not sure what you mean about "infrequent"--admittedly, I don't watch her matches very often unless I need something to help me sleep, but it seems every time I do she has to argue with the umpire over one thing or another.

Opponents' errors: Profiting from an opponent's errors and relying upon your opponent to make errors are two different things Love Game, don't you understand the difference? How many winners does Wozniacki average a match? Regardless of the actual number, I don't think you can disagree with the fact that it is low. Which brings me to my next point...

Lack of weapons: If you think I'm a WTA hater then so be it--the truth is I am one of its biggest supporters on this board full of rabid ATP fans. I don't hate the WTA, in fact I love women's tennis much more than men's, I hate pushers. Which is what Wozniacki is. It cannot be denied--she is the epitome of a pusher. She lacks (or is unwilling to use) aggression in her matches and instead relies on passivity and simple-minded retrieving in hopes of waiting for an opponent's error. A GOOD player makes things happen for themselves. Face it, when Caroline's opponent doesn't make errors she can do nothing. There is no aggressive mindset. There is no power. There is no variety. The only thing she can do is defend, and that only gets her so far (see: slam count). Good for her for capitalizing on a weak time for the WTA and getting to #1, but just look at her now that order has been restored. Hovering around #10 where she belongs. Lets not forget that Wozniacki rose to #1 during Serena's absence, before Azarenka had matured into the player she is now, Sharapova was not a contender, etc etc. Please don't get me started on her stint as #1 because I'm sure I'm not alone when I claim she is the weakest player to ever hold that spot. Her rise to the top was a result of her racking up a bunch of points by playing numerous smaller tournaments and generally simply being consistent in a period when the actual top players were marred by inconsistency. It had nothing to do with her having more weapons than anyone, because she simply doesnt. Again, look at where she is now that the order has restored.

Regarding Safina and the mental aspect of tennis: All the mental toughness in the world doesn't mean squat if you don't have the tools to actually win majors. Caroline's mental toughness is actually the only thing that sets her apart from the rest of the pushers.....she is an overachiever in that sense. But again, even the mentally fragile Kvitova and Kuznetsova managed to win slams because they have WEAPONS. I'm sure they'll take those majors over Caroline's pathetic career as #1 in a heartbeat.

Caroline's lack of improvements: Perhaps you misunderstood--I wasn't referring to improvements in ranking, I was talking about her actual game. Stubborn little Caroline and her unwillingness to add a dimension of aggression has what has hurt her. She is not advancing, and in a sport like tennis if you aren't progressing then you're moving backwards. Again, I think her current ranking and results speak for themselves....she plays the same style that she always has, and now that the top girls have gotten it together, it just doesn't work anymore. Name me some improvements she has made, go on. I'll wait.

As far as your claim that I have an axe to grind....no, not really. My favorite, as most know, is Serena Williams, who is galaxies ahead of Caroline in terms of both ability and achievements. I am not threatened whatsoever by Ms Wozniacki, I simply do not care for her one bit and find her antics to be tiresome and her tennis to be seriously lacking in appeal and effectiveness.

And P.S. I have always preferred Rafa over Fed.

Now, it's late. I realize you have some sort of irrational idolatry towards Wozniacki, but I'm not going to argue my dislike of her any further with you because it simply isn't going to get either of us anywhere. Clearly your opinion isn't going to change, and nothing you say on the matter is going to change mine.

No hard feelings, I don't harbor any ill-will against you personally, simply against little miss sunshine.

Now good night and pleasant dreams.

 

[Love Game]

Sigh, I will never understand your fanaticism for Caroline.

Attention seeking: her ridiculous story about being attacked by a kangaroo, interrupting other players' press conferences, mocking other players by stuffing her shirt, etc etc.

Attitude: a recent example being her hissy fit in Doha (or was it Dubai?) against Barthel in which daddy got involved and bullied the chair umpire into changing a call. And I'm not sure what you mean about "infrequent"--admittedly, I don't watch her matches very often unless I need something to help me sleep, but it seems every time I do she has to argue with the umpire over one thing or another.

Opponents' errors: Profiting from an opponent's errors and relying upon your opponent to make errors are two different things Love Game, don't you understand the difference? How many winners does Wozniacki average a match? Regardless of the actual number, I don't think you can disagree with the fact that it is low. Which brings me to my next point...

Lack of weapons: If you think I'm a WTA hater then so be it--the truth is I am one of its biggest supporters on this board full of rabid ATP fans. I don't hate the WTA, in fact I love women's tennis much more than men's, I hate pushers. Which is what Wozniacki is. It cannot be denied--she is the epitome of a pusher. She lacks (or is unwilling to use) aggression in her matches and instead relies on passivity and simple-minded retrieving in hopes of waiting for an opponent's error. A GOOD player makes things happen for themselves. Face it, when Caroline's opponent doesn't make errors she can do nothing. There is no aggressive mindset. There is no power. There is no variety. The only thing she can do is defend, and that only gets her so far (see: slam count). Good for her for capitalizing on a weak time for the WTA and getting to #1, but just look at her now that order has been restored. Hovering around #10 where she belongs. Lets not forget that Wozniacki rose to #1 during Serena's absence, before Azarenka had matured into the player she is now, Sharapova was not a contender, etc etc. Please don't get me started on her stint as #1 because I'm sure I'm not alone when I claim she is the weakest player to ever hold that spot. Her rise to the top was a result of her racking up a bunch of points by playing numerous smaller tournaments and generally simply being consistent in a period when the actual top players were marred by inconsistency. It had nothing to do with her having more weapons than anyone, because she simply doesnt. Again, look at where she is now that the order has restored.

Regarding Safina and the mental aspect of tennis: All the mental toughness in the world doesn't mean squat if you don't have the tools to actually win majors. Caroline's mental toughness is actually the only thing that sets her apart from the rest of the pushers.....she is an overachiever in that sense. But again, even the mentally fragile Kvitova and Kuznetsova managed to win slams because they have WEAPONS. I'm sure they'll take those majors over Caroline's pathetic career as #1 in a heartbeat.

Caroline's lack of improvements: Perhaps you misunderstood--I wasn't referring to improvements in ranking, I was talking about her actual game. Stubborn little Caroline and her unwillingness to add a dimension of aggression has what has hurt her. She is not advancing, and in a sport like tennis if you aren't progressing then you're moving backwards. Again, I think her current ranking and results speak for themselves....she plays the same style that she always has, and now that the top girls have gotten it together, it just doesn't work anymore. Name me some improvements she has made, go on. I'll wait.

As far as your claim that I have an axe to grind....no, not really. My favorite, as most know, is Serena Williams, who is galaxies ahead of Caroline in terms of both ability and achievements. I am not threatened whatsoever by Ms Wozniacki, I simply do not care for her one bit and find her antics to be tiresome and her tennis to be seriously lacking in appeal and effectiveness.

And P.S. I have always preferred Rafa over Fed.

Now, it's late. I realize you have some sort of irrational idolatry towards Wozniacki, but I'm not going to argue my dislike of her any further with you because it simply isn't going to get either of us anywhere. Clearly your opinion isn't going to change, and nothing you say on the matter is going to change mine.

No hard feelings, I don't harbor any ill-will against you personally, simply against little miss sunshine.

Now good night and pleasant dreams.

Thanks for answering, Tanya! Might have to take this one in segments.

More later,
LG

 

[Love Game]

First Installment:

Sigh, I will never understand your fanaticism for Caroline.

Attention seeking: her ridiculous story about being attacked by a kangaroo, interrupting other players' press conferences, mocking other players by stuffing her shirt, etc etc.

Attitude: a recent example being her hissy fit in Doha (or was it Dubai?) against Barthel in which daddy got involved and bullied the chair umpire into changing a call. And I'm not sure what you mean about "infrequent"--admittedly, I don't watch her matches very often unless I need something to help me sleep, but it seems every time I do she has to argue with the umpire over one thing or another.

hmmmmm ... didnt see the Barthel episode, so cant comment on that. ...... Youre not seriously gonna blame the kangaroo thing on her, are you? The press, in what I perceive as gross unprofessionalism, were criticizing her for being "boring," so she did something to not be boring. Young people (was she 20 or 21 at the time) sometimes believe they need to respond to criticism. I also wasnt aware anything about interrupting "other players' press conferences," so I suppose you follow Caroline more closely than I do. I did see a picture of caroline with "stuffing her shirt," and I didnt get it at all. You say she was "mocking other players"? Is that your interpretation? or somebody else's rumor? or what? I did think it looked like a stupid thing to do ..... and I wonder just how her relationship with Rory is affecting her, especially if the two (or three if you include Piotr) are putting their heads together to "get back" at the press for calling her "boring." Frankly, I dont believe in mocking anybody, unless it's retaliation for something nasty done by them.

Opponents' errors: Profiting from an opponent's errors and relying upon your opponent to make errors are two different things Love Game, don't you understand the difference? How many winners does Wozniacki average a match? Regardless of the actual number, I don't think you can disagree with the fact that it is low. Which brings me to my next point...

No. I dont understand the difference at all. I do believe that "relying" is too strong a word for what youre describing. I didnt see Caro in the earlier part of her career, and there really are not that many matches available to watch, even now, but I'd guess that her winners/unforced has improved over the years. Even if that means decreasing her UEs rather than increasing her winners, that's an improvement that leads to more wins.

It's a personal preference, as far as I can see ... and yes, as OBSERVERS, most of us (including me) do prefer the player who "makes things happen," but as someone described Simon at the USO last year: Best Defender on the Tour. Because of the fact that the game of tennis actually rewards a point to the opponent of the player who makes the error (whether forced or unforced), then forcing your opponent to play one more point is actually a legitimate part of the game of tennis. The goal of each and every game of tennis is to WIN, not to play the most entertaining points.

Ever heard the saying, "If it's not broke, dont fix it"?
Here, I blame Piotr. He's got more to lose than Caro does when she loses a match and drops out of a tournament, because he's living on her WINS. (Here, I'm assuming he takes a percentage of her tennis earnings, rather than a salary.) She's got all her endorsements to keep her warm in Monte Carlo. Piotr doesnt.

QUESTION: When did they institute on-court coaching as a rule? I'd be interested to know whether Caroline started going up the ranks after that or whether it had no effect on her win/loss percentage.

 

[Love Game]

. . .
Lack of weapons: If you think I'm a WTA hater then so be it--the truth is I am one of its biggest supporters on this board full of rabid ATP fans. I don't hate the WTA, in fact I love women's tennis much more than men's, I hate pushers. Which is what Wozniacki is. It cannot be denied--she is the epitome of a pusher. She lacks (or is unwilling to use) aggression in her matches and instead relies on passivity and simple-minded retrieving in hopes of waiting for an opponent's error. A GOOD player makes things happen for themselves. Face it, when Caroline's opponent doesn't make errors she can do nothing. There is no aggressive mindset. There is no power. There is no variety. The only thing she can do is defend, and that only gets her so far (see: slam count).

No, I don't think youre a WTA hater. It's just those statements made me wonder. The whole "pusher" thing just kinda mystifies me. The whole concept that a Simon, who is also a pusher, is dissed for his syle of play ... I just don't get it. Part of the skill of tennis is being in the right spot to take the right shot. His game might actually be a little more interesting since he makes more forays into the net.

Caro's a baseliner, and that's boring to most people. Period. Maybe the women's game has mostly always been that way? Baseline, I mean. Which is why Martina Navratilova, the serve/vollyer, remains second only to steffi graf in weeks at no. 1: 332 compared to 377. She was doing something different and was successful at it.

Regardless, I'd never actually start disliking a player for being a pusher. There's a lot of skill involved in being a successful, pusher, ala Gilles Simon, and it's a skill that just happened to win a lot of matches in the WTA. Hence, Caroline getting to no. 1 and Gilles not doing so. In general, the aggressor has the advantage ... but ONLY if his form and court mechanics are of the highest quality, because the aggressor almost always has the most UEs ... that's dolgopolov's problem. He's lots of fun to watch because of his skill and aggression ... but it's his aggression that causes his INconsistency.

I prefer a dolgopolov to a simon, myself, but then I'm not the bread winner. Forgive me for sounding dense, but tennis players are not there to entertain us, the public. They are there to make a living for themselves and their families and their teams ... the best way possible. They eventually discover which is the best way for them: The way that makes them the most money and places them in the highest ranking. That's why I could never diss Caroline for being a pusher: It's that very "pushiness" that's put the bread on her table and enables her to provide a living for multiple other human beings at the same time. In other sports aggression is rewarded more than it is in tennis. In tennis, aggression is DISincentivized for all but the top players, because aggression leads to errors, and errors give your opponents the points with which to beat you.

Good for her for capitalizing on a weak time for the WTA and getting to #1, but just look at her now that order has been restored. Hovering around #10 where she belongs.

I'm gonna separate the next part out for later response, cuz I got some work to do ... just one more point: Caroline didnt "capitalize" on anything. All she did was play each and every opponent that came her way. No rational human being could expect anything more. Azarenka has gotten good at choosing her opponents, but Caroline is more fair and courageous than that. She simply beat enough of her opponents so that she ended up with more points than ALL the rest of them, including some of your favorites during that 67 weeks that she was Number 1. They were all playing under the same rules as Caro. If they were weak in comparison, then that's not her fault, because that's the way it ALWAYS works. ALWAYS. No one (except Azarenka, apaprently), in any time or condition, can pick and choose which opponents to face.

Whoever has the most points has the Number One spot. Everybody playing by the same rules. Sometimes talent is overrated b/c sometimes working harder and just showing up more results in more points, higher ratings. That's the only fair way, and people who complain about pushing skill being not what they want to watch ... well, what can I say? They shouldnt watch it. It's not about the spectators, the "experts," the writers and their opinions; it's about the hard-working professionals.

More later,
LG

 

[hugobosstachini]

Sigh, I will never understand your fanaticism for Caroline.

Attention seeking: her ridiculous story about being attacked by a kangaroo, interrupting other players' press conferences, mocking other players by stuffing her shirt, etc etc.

Attitude: a recent example being her hissy fit in Doha (or was it Dubai?) against Barthel in which daddy got involved and bullied the chair umpire into changing a call. And I'm not sure what you mean about "infrequent"--admittedly, I don't watch her matches very often unless I need something to help me sleep, but it seems every time I do she has to argue with the umpire over one thing or another.

Opponents' errors: Profiting from an opponent's errors and relying upon your opponent to make errors are two different things Love Game, don't you understand the difference? How many winners does Wozniacki average a match? Regardless of the actual number, I don't think you can disagree with the fact that it is low. Which brings me to my next point...

Lack of weapons: If you think I'm a WTA hater then so be it--the truth is I am one of its biggest supporters on this board full of rabid ATP fans. I don't hate the WTA, in fact I love women's tennis much more than men's, I hate pushers. Which is what Wozniacki is. It cannot be denied--she is the epitome of a pusher. She lacks (or is unwilling to use) aggression in her matches and instead relies on passivity and simple-minded retrieving in hopes of waiting for an opponent's error. A GOOD player makes things happen for themselves. Face it, when Caroline's opponent doesn't make errors she can do nothing. There is no aggressive mindset. There is no power. There is no variety. The only thing she can do is defend, and that only gets her so far (see: slam count). Good for her for capitalizing on a weak time for the WTA and getting to #1, but just look at her now that order has been restored. Hovering around #10 where she belongs. Lets not forget that Wozniacki rose to #1 during Serena's absence, before Azarenka had matured into the player she is now, Sharapova was not a contender, etc etc. Please don't get me started on her stint as #1 because I'm sure I'm not alone when I claim she is the weakest player to ever hold that spot. Her rise to the top was a result of her racking up a bunch of points by playing numerous smaller tournaments and generally simply being consistent in a period when the actual top players were marred by inconsistency. It had nothing to do with her having more weapons than anyone, because she simply doesnt. Again, look at where she is now that the order has restored.

Regarding Safina and the mental aspect of tennis: All the mental toughness in the world doesn't mean squat if you don't have the tools to actually win majors. Caroline's mental toughness is actually the only thing that sets her apart from the rest of the pushers.....she is an overachiever in that sense. But again, even the mentally fragile Kvitova and Kuznetsova managed to win slams because they have WEAPONS. I'm sure they'll take those majors over Caroline's pathetic career as #1 in a heartbeat.

Caroline's lack of improvements: Perhaps you misunderstood--I wasn't referring to improvements in ranking, I was talking about her actual game. Stubborn little Caroline and her unwillingness to add a dimension of aggression has what has hurt her. She is not advancing, and in a sport like tennis if you aren't progressing then you're moving backwards. Again, I think her current ranking and results speak for themselves....she plays the same style that she always has, and now that the top girls have gotten it together, it just doesn't work anymore. Name me some improvements she has made, go on. I'll wait.

As far as your claim that I have an axe to grind....no, not really. My favorite, as most know, is Serena Williams, who is galaxies ahead of Caroline in terms of both ability and achievements. I am not threatened whatsoever by Ms Wozniacki, I simply do not care for her one bit and find her antics to be tiresome and her tennis to be seriously lacking in appeal and effectiveness.

And P.S. I have always preferred Rafa over Fed.

Now, it's late. I realize you have some sort of irrational idolatry towards Wozniacki, but I'm not going to argue my dislike of her any further with you because it simply isn't going to get either of us anywhere. Clearly your opinion isn't going to change, and nothing you say on the matter is going to change mine.

No hard feelings, I don't harbor any ill-will against you personally, simply against little miss sunshine.

Now good night and pleasant dreams.

Well put overall.

 

[Love Game]

. . .
Lets not forget that Wozniacki rose to #1 during Serena's absence, before Azarenka had matured into the player she is now, Sharapova was not a contender, etc etc. Please don't get me started on her stint as #1 because I'm sure I'm not alone when I claim she is the weakest player to ever hold that spot. Her rise to the top was a result of her racking up a bunch of points by playing numerous smaller tournaments and generally simply being consistent in a period when the actual top players were marred by inconsistency. It had nothing to do with her having more weapons than anyone, because she simply doesnt. Again, look at where she is now that the order has restored.

Regarding Safina and the mental aspect of tennis: All the mental toughness in the world doesn't mean squat if you don't have the tools to actually win majors. Caroline's mental toughness is actually the only thing that sets her apart from the rest of the pushers.....she is an overachiever in that sense. But again, even the mentally fragile Kvitova and Kuznetsova managed to win slams because they have WEAPONS. I'm sure they'll take those majors over Caroline's pathetic career as #1 in a heartbeat. ...

I pretty much already talked about these points, but just to finsh off ... And again i have to respond: So what? not sure what you consider the starting point, starting date of Caro's "rise to the top," but I know two things for sure:
1. Either the others were there and performed inferiorly.
2. Or they were "absent," as you mention and, as a consequence, didnt get points.

"she is the weakest player to ever hold that spot."
that's pretty funny. Since the WTA began producing computerized rankings in November 1975, 21 women have reached the World No. 1 status. Caroline is ranked ninth on that list of 21 accroding to the number of weeks at No. 1. So that means you're saying that, instead of being a stronger player than the 12 players who were No. 1 for significantly less time, she's actually "weaker." That's just not logical IMO, but ...

... again, so what? So what if someone "was not a contender"? So what if someone played less tournaments? So what if soemone was more inconsistent? So what if someone was "absent"? Nobody in the world is indemnified against ANY of those things when it comes to sports contests. Life goes on. the sport goes on. And while it does, other players rise to the top to fill the void. That's just straightforward logic. Happens every day, all year long, for every year since the WTA began 40 years ago. It just so happens that, in Caroline's case, the other 100+ players in the WTA during the time that she was rising to and being No. 1 were, obviously, not up to Caro's standard, regardless of how weak/insignificant your opinion of that standard is.

And who in her right mind would begrudge a less talented player who's willing to put in the extra miles, work harder and for more hours than her more talented sisters in order to fulfill her desire to become No. 1? ??? Isnt that what REAL sport is all about?

Some players are well-known for being elitists, avoiding "wasting" their time and treasure on playing smaller tournaments. Saving themselves for the "majors," regardles of whether theyre assessed fines for refusal or simply fail to add extra points for being "absent" from the less wealthy tournaments around the world. It's their choice. They choose not to play, they know the consequence is that someone more ambitious is willing to play. That kind of elitism isnt what the WTA is about. No. Were you listening to that CEO Stacey Allaster during the Kirilenko/Kvitova match? She made clear what the modern WTA mission statement is. The tennis elites who willingly go to the wealthy cities such as dubai and doha ... but simultaneously refuse to play at the smaller, less fancy tournaments in the less-developed areas of the world, well ... IMO those players who ARE willing to travel to the poorer cities and the smaller tournaments are the ones who are truly "giving back" to their sport. It's that kind of spirit that's most appreciated by the modern WTA.

"The WTA is the global leader in women's professional sport with more than 2,500 players representing 92 nations competing for more than $110 million in prize money at the WTA's 54 events and four Grand Slams in 33 countries. Over 5.4 million people attended women's tennis events in 2012 with hundreds of millions more watching on television and digital channels around the world."

http://www.wtatennis.com/scontent/article/2951989/title/about-the-wta

 

[bezs]

MaKiri has played a lot of tennis in the tournament so far that could be her downfall.

 

[Rob31]

hmmmmm ... didnt see the Barthel episode, so cant comment on that. ...... Youre not seriously gonna blame the kangaroo thing on her, are you? The press, in what I perceive as gross unprofessionalism, were criticizing her for being "boring," so she did something to not be boring. Young people (was she 20 or 21 at the time) sometimes believe they need to respond to criticism. I also wasnt aware anything about interrupting "other players' press conferences," so I suppose you follow Caroline more closely than I do. I did see a picture of caroline with "stuffing her shirt," and I didnt get it at all. You say she was "mocking other players"? Is that your interpretation? or somebody else's rumor? or what? I did think it looked like a stupid thing to do ..... and I wonder just how her relationship with Rory is affecting her, especially if the two (or three if you include Piotr) are putting their heads together to "get back" at the press for calling her "boring." Frankly, I dont believe in mocking anybody, unless it's retaliation for something nasty done by them.



No. I dont understand the difference at all. I do believe that "relying" is too strong a word for what youre describing. I didnt see Caro in the earlier part of her career, and there really are not that many matches available to watch, even now, but I'd guess that her winners/unforced has improved over the years. Even if that means decreasing her UEs rather than increasing her winners, that's an improvement that leads to more wins.

It's a personal preference, as far as I can see ... and yes, as OBSERVERS, most of us (including me) do prefer the player who "makes things happen," but as someone described Simon at the USO last year: Best Defender on the Tour. Because of the fact that the game of tennis actually rewards a point to the opponent of the player who makes the error (whether forced or unforced), then forcing your opponent to play one more point is actually a legitimate part of the game of tennis. The goal of each and every game of tennis is to WIN, not to play the most entertaining points.

Ever heard the saying, "If it's not broke, dont fix it"?
Here, I blame Piotr. He's got more to lose than Caro does when she loses a match and drops out of a tournament, because he's living on her WINS. (Here, I'm assuming he takes a percentage of her tennis earnings, rather than a salary.) She's got all her endorsements to keep her warm in Monte Carlo. Piotr doesnt.

QUESTION: When did they institute on-court coaching as a rule? I'd be interested to know whether Caroline started going up the ranks after that or whether it had no effect on her win/loss percentage.

********.
Simon was injured at the Us open and just fought to win his matches.
Actually, when in form and confident, he's way a more aggressive player than Wozniacki, has much better technique particularly on the forehand side, is much more skilled and no, he's not the best defender on the tour.
There really is no comparison between these 2 players.

 

[Rob31]

Hopefully Kerber will beat Wozniacki today and win the tournament as well.
She's a more interesting player to watch than Wozniacki, Kirilenko and Sharapova.

 

[Love Game]

delete duplicate

 

[Love Game]

********.
Simon was injured at the Us open and just fought to win his matches.
Actually, when in form and confident, he's way a more aggressive player than Wozniacki, has much better technique particularly on the forehand side, is much more skilled and no, he's not the best defender on the tour.
There really is no comparison between these 2 players.

I made a mistake when I wrote "USO." The match I was actually referring to was last year's FO ... and the remark made by the commie was that simon was "the best returner on the tour." I think he was making a joke, trying to turn an insult into a compliment.

the point is simon is dissed for being a "pusher," has been ever since I started reading this TTW message board--same as tanya and others diss wozniacki for being a "pusher" ... that's the comparison!

how bout the question: Do you (or anybody else out there) know when on-court-coaching was made the rule in the WTA?

 

[soyizgood]

That last point from Kerber and Wozniacki had countless moonballs. OMFG!

 

[tennisbuck]

I hope Cutelinko takes this one

 

[Rob31]

Woz finally wins the first semi-final in 3 sets over Kerber: 2-6,6-4,7-5.
Hilarious match, Kerber should have won that match really, definitely a missed opportunity for her to win her first great title.

At the moment, in the second semi-final, Sharapova leads with the break 3-1 against Kirilenko.