Djokovic [1] vs Federer [3]: WTF 2015 Final

[Deleted member 77403]

So much on the line for Novak here.

Should he win, he will be the first player in history to win four straight WTF titles, he will be the first player in history to either defend or gain points on every single tournament he played the previous year (in other words, he's never lost any points this season, either equalled or gained more), he will also have finally equalled the H2H with Fedal tying him at 45 - 45, it also shuts the case on who has had the best season post 1969. He will also be the first player to do the clean sweep of big titles from and including USO to WTF, by winning USO, Shanghai, Paris and WTF.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

So much on the line for Novak here.

Should he win, he will be the first player in history to win four straight WTF titles, he will be the first player in history to either defend or gain points on every single tournament he played the previous year (in other words, he's never lost any points this season, either equalled or gained more), he will also have finally equalled the H2H with Fedal tying him at 45 - 45, it also shuts the case on who has had the best season post 1969. He will also be the first player to do the clean sweep of big titles from and including USO to WTF, by winning USO, Shanghai, Paris and WTF.

Unfortunately, Djokovic losing to Federer in RR has denied him defending every single point in 2015, because he was an undefeated champion at 2014 WTF. Nevertheless, he is still the first world number 1 who equaled or gained points for a year, from 2014 Shanghai semis to 2015 WTF RR.

 

[AceSalvo]

I know and that is what I mean mainly. The match hasnt even begun and the mud slinging has already begun as opposed to a sensible discussion.

I can already picture-

if Federer wins: "Djokovic sucks, losing to 34 year old Federer, what a loser. Would never win a slam if Federer and he were closer in age. Federers farts cure cancer and make rainbows, and Djokovic is a scrub who would be Davydenko if he were in Fed's era of heroes. Federer is the real #1 of the year, not Djokovic, especialy since he was robbed of the U.S Open atleast by bad luck."

if Djokovic wins: "Lucky era Federer losing to Djokovic again. Djokovic has taken tennis to a whole new level, way beyond what Federer ever managed. Roger proven again won only so many slams due to clown era of Roddick and Hewitt, and cant compete with gods like Djokovic and Nadal. Djokovic best player ever, playing at highest level, an unplayable god. Djokovic unbeatable, will win rand slam next year. Federer proving he cant hang with real competition, even at 25 he would lose every match to Djokovic and Fed fanboys need to accept this. Djokovic is a way higher level than Nadal and Federer ever on all surfaces."

from opposing fans "point of view" both are true..

website space but is a "vast ocean".. the same song can be written in 100+ different ways.. hey, whatever makes your day...

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Unfortunately, Djokovic losing to Federer in RR has denied him defending every single point in 2015, because he was an undefeated champion at 2014 WTF. Nevertheless, he is still the first world number 1 who equaled or gained points for a year, from 2014 Shanghai semis to 2015 WTF RR.

Good point.

 

[Midaso240]

Don't know if it will be 2 or 3 sets but pretty sure Djokovic will win,he always seems to win when it counts these days. Only time will tell how all these Rafole finals losses will hurt Federer's legacy

 

[BeatlesFan]

Only time will tell how all these Rafole finals losses will hurt Federer's legacy

Surely you jest.

A 34.5 year old player with 17 majors and 300+ weeks at #1 somehow compromises his vast legacy by losing to a 28 year old #1 player in the finals of the YEC?

Fed has no business even being the the tournament at his age, never mind winning the final.

Fed's legacy is quite secure, I assure you.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Good point.

At least another 40 good points in 2015 will be posted tomorrow.

 

[3fees]

Djokovic in 2 or 3 and make a new record---4 peat.

Cheers
3Fees

 

[user]

Let's see if Federer can sit on the right chair this time. I hope so, 2 times in one tournament would be way out of line. If I were Djokovic I would sabotage that chair, just in case he does it again.

 

[AceSalvo]

Only time will tell how all these Rafole finals losses will hurt Federer's legacy

But the time goneby has already shown how many butthurts there came to be because of Federer's legacy.. not going to beat that count any time soon..

 

[3fees]

Djokovic in 2 or 3 and make a new record---4 peat.

Cheers
3Fees

 

[KingKyrgios]

Nole in 3 maybe 2 fed has extremy slim chances

 

[FedererDropShot]

Djokovic in 3 but Roger in anything would be my hope.

 

[gn]

Djokovic in 2 or 3 and make a new record---4 peat.

Cheers
3Fees

3Fees has not made in Fed's favor ever

 

[veroniquem]

but your quite sure you wont be run over by a truck tomorrow (assuming you even drive a 4-wheeler that fits your petite size)...

ha ha I take the train actually...

 

[mike danny]

I know but in terms of tier 1 finals: it's 3 lost for Murray and 3 lost for Fed (with 1 win for each). So they've been pretty tie until WTF.
ETA: sorry, it's actually 3 lost for Murray, 4 lost for Fed, my bad. (could be 5 tomorrow )

Forget about tier 1 finals. Murray and Nadal would have preferred any victory over Novak. Any. Even the Shanghai SF would have done the trick. Heck, even Nadal beating Nole in the Beijing final would have given him loads of confidence.

Meanwhile Federer has the best record against Novak this year out of anybody.

 

[veroniquem]

Unfortunately, Djokovic losing to Federer in RR has denied him defending every single point in 2015, because he was an undefeated champion at 2014 WTF. Nevertheless, he is still the first world number 1 who equaled or gained points for a year, from 2014 Shanghai semis to 2015 WTF RR.

Wow cool fact that. Such a record breaking season for Novak!

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

but your quite sure you wont be run over by a truck tomorrow (assuming you even drive a 4-wheeler that fits your petite size)...

Where did the truck come from all of a sudden?

 

[Gazelle]

I promise I won't watch the final live, so Federer will win it.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Wow cool fact that. Such a record breaking season for Novak!

I did make a thread about it when he reached Shanghai semis a few weeks ago.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/djokovic-reaches-a-unique-milestone.546533/

 

[StrongerThanAll]

You can use the same excuse when Djokovic loses GS finals at the age of 34.

If he even gets that far in the first place.

Him and Becker will be in doubles finals on the senior tour.

 

[veroniquem]

Forget about tier 1 finals. Murray and Nadal would have preferred any victory over Novak. Any. Even the Shanghai SF would have done the trick. Heck, even Nadal beating Nole in the Beijing final would have given him loads of confidence.

Meanwhile Federer has the best record against Novak this year out of anybody.

Well, Shanghai IS a tier 1. Fed has the best record, no doubt about that. I wrote somewhere else that Fed is turning out as Novak's only Achilles heel on hard court. Time for guys like Kyrgios to step up to the plate in the future. But right now, it looks more and more like Fed is the only serious obstacle for Djoko. You can see he's being pushed by Fed.

 

[veroniquem]

I did make a thread about it when he reached Shanghai semis a few weeks ago.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/djokovic-reaches-a-unique-milestone.546533/

Ooh I hadn't seen it. Thanks!

 

[AceSalvo]

ha ha I take the train actually...

good for you.. I hope its does not blown up into smithereens any time soon just to prolong your TTW career..

 

[AceSalvo]

Where did the truck come from all of a sudden?

dont you know that strange things happen in life.. when its time, no one see's the truck coming from afar (" the truck" signifying anything bad that may happen)..

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

dont you know that strange things happen in life.. when its time, no one see's the truck coming from afar (" the truck" signifying anything bad that may happen)..

But why even thinking that way?
It is much better to think about anything good that may happen.

 

[CYGS]

Not rude at all. Actually it would be rude to predict 34 year old Fed to beat a dominate #1 player. Why would this supposed GOAT lose more than 2 games to a geriatric Roger? Serious question.

I was referring to the fact that the OP had started the thread before Fed-Wawrinka SF was over.

 

[sportsfan1]

Predicting a Djoko withdrawal or retirement tomorrow, to avenge Fed's handout to him last year.

 

[AceSalvo]

But why even thinking that way?
It is much better to think about anything good that may happen.

@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 "Djokovic will win majors in his 30s. My opinion of course"

@AceSalvo sure.. just praying I will be still alive to see that.. who knows you know..

@veroniquem Wow you must be really old if you're afraid not to be around in 2 years time (when Djoko turns 30)

^^^ context my friend.. yes, we all hope for the best except for the opposing Rival player and his fan base..

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

@Djokovic2011 "Djokovic will win majors in his 30s. My opinion of course"

@AceSalvo sure.. just praying I will be still alive to see that.. who knows you know..

@veroniquem Wow you must be really old if you're afraid not to be around in 2 years time (when Djoko turns 30)

^^^ context my friend.. yes, we all hope for the best except for the opposing Rival player and his fan base..

You quoted the wrong person in the first line man.

 

[Chanwan]

Yep. Seems really strong mentally now though. It's taken him a long time, but now he's really solid mentally in all ways: from tournie to tournie, from match to match and from point to point. 2014 was a tough year for him, even though he was still the best player in the world. 2014 Wimbledon was absolutely vital.. totally critical.

@swordtennis - I was reading through your conversation and was about to say the same. The importance of that win cannot be overstated imo. Losing that and who knows if
a) he even fires Becker,
b) he has anywhere near the success he's had in 2015.

 

[veroniquem]

good for you.. I hope its does not blown up into smithereens any time soon just to prolong your TTW career..

Given what has just happened in Paris, not so funny, sorry

 

[Chanwan]

One wonders what Djokovic might achieve well into his 30s and what opposition might be there to stop or not stop him. I can't wait to find out. Federer had Djokovic, who will Djokovic have? This is assuming he lasts.

that's why it's actually very possible to see him go 17+. Who will rise? Who's the next ATG? And when will that guy be ready to do serious damage? Hard to see Novak not being competing for slams for another 3-5 years as a minimum as the field looks right now (things can change, but Novak's super hungry and motivated).

Exactly. It's been rewarding. Interestingly for me it's the Wimbledon loss that stings and not the US Open loss.

It's a case of him looking so glorious in the SF at Wimbledon and it being on grass. I was more confident for the US Open match but, even though he was wasteful, what I saw generally was very encouraging.. after set 1 that is. It felt like he could have perhaps won the match, which was an improvement perhaps, although he was also competitive for a while in the Dumbledore final.

US Open for me because of how superior he was on everything except the points that counted in set 2-4. Very frustrating to see him go 1/11 on BP against Novak's second serve and 3/23 or so overall in those 3 sets. He had 9 games where he had BP's and converted only in 3 of them, while Novak went 4/5 in 4 games in sets 2-4.

 

[veroniquem]

Predicting a Djoko withdrawal or retirement tomorrow, to avenge Fed's handout to him last year.

Lol. That's what Fed does. Djoko has a sense of honor.

 

[Chanwan]

So, we have the blockbuster final with the 2 heavyweight favorites that everyone had been anticipating. 4 titles to 4 titles at WTF indoor. Who will grab the 5th? Novak will have his hands full with the way Fed is playing. And the way the RR match went, it could be a repeat of Cincy.
(Clearly, Fed tanked the 2 fall masters in order to up his chances at WTF, same way he prioritized DC last year. I hate that mentality but that's the way Fed does things, so, here goes.)

hahaha, of course that's the way it goes. As he tanked his match vs. Nishi in order to make it tougher for Novak to get through as you wrote just two days ago (while you didn't even realize Berdych wouldn't have a chance to go through if Fed won). Not a very convincing tank in the end, no?

You have no shame. Just no shame at all. I'm amazed what level of hatred makes you write these things.

FYI, even last year, Fed almost lost early at Shanghai. And the Isner-loss happens to the best of them (see Djoko-Karlo at Doha).

Lol. That's what Fed does. Djoko has a sense of honor.

11? vs. 0 mid-match retirements over their careers says otherwise you dimw*t

 

[Doflamingo]

Given what has just happened in Paris, not so funny, sorry

Gotta say what some people say to you here and what they wish upon you is downright disgusting, I haven't seen such comments made about another poster here but you don't even say anything outlandish compared to what I've seen from other posters (not going to mention names)...when taking in serious convos obviously.

It's quiet sad tbh

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[AceSalvo]

Given what has just happened in Paris, not so funny, sorry

just because of Paris, I was being serious.. sorry you missed the point...

 

[Chanwan]

Nobody knows the final outcome in advance guys. Stop turning your predictions into some facts.
Lets hope for a great match.

Come on now, clearly you're wrong. Two guys are dead certain! At least one of them is right:
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Djok is the best:
Haha delusion at its best. Nole played a bad match against fed, he won't play bad again.

The match is on nole's racquet. He plays well and he wins. Get ready for another tough loss dude!
tennis_pro:
There is no such thing as the match being on Djokovic's racquet when he's facing Federer, even an old Federer. He's too much of a pusher to dictate anything against a true natural aggressor like Fed.

 

[AceSalvo]

Gotta say what some people say to you here and what they wish upon you is downright disgusting, I haven't seen such comments made about another poster here but you don't even say anything outlandish compared to what I've seen from other posters (not going to mention names)...when taking in serious convos obviously.

It's quiet sad tbh

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@veroniquem Wow you must be really old if you're afraid not to be around in 2 years time (when Djoko turns 30)

^^^ somehow you seem ok with slander.. blind much?? (no dramatic gif here, sorry.. truly waste of space)

 

[duaneeo]

I just hope to see from Roger what he showed in the semis...low errors and a lot of serve-and-volleying (but, with a higher first-serve percentage).

 

[SQA333]

Djokovic in 2.

 

[Midaso240]

Surely you jest.

A 34.5 year old player with 17 majors and 300+ weeks at #1 somehow compromises his vast legacy by losing to a 28 year old #1 player in the finals of the YEC?

Fed has no business even being the the tournament at his age, never mind winning the final.

Fed's legacy is quite secure, I assure you.

Don't get me wrong,Federer is my favourite of the 3 but you'd have to think that if there is a scenario where either Novak or Rafa finish with roughly the same amount of slams as Roger,something that will come up is that more often than not,when the chips were down,they both got the better of him...

 

[SQA333]

So much on the line for Novak here.

Should he win, he will be the first player in history to win four straight WTF titles, he will be the first player in history to either defend or gain points on every single tournament he played the previous year (in other words, he's never lost any points this season, either equalled or gained more), he will also have finally equalled the H2H with Fedal tying him at 45 - 45, it also shuts the case on who has had the best season post 1969. He will also be the first player to do the clean sweep of big titles from and including USO to WTF, by winning USO, Shanghai, Paris and WTF.

He's already lost points for not coming through undefeated.

 

[Chanwan]

Let's see if Federer can sit on the right chair this time. I hope so, 2 times in one tournament would be way out of line. If I were Djokovic I would sabotage that chair, just in case he does it again.

A towel doesn't mean much to Fed, you know

 

[swordtennis]

@swordtennis - I was reading through your conversation and was about to say the same. The importance of that win cannot be overstated imo. Losing that and who knows if
a) he even fires Becker,
b) he has anywhere near the success he's had in 2015.

Career mostly over in the majors. no joke.

 

[Chanwan]

Career mostly over in the majors. no joke.

he's come back from adversity before, but it would have been such a major blow to him. Kudos for winning it after all the lost Rafa-finals. I just wish he could perform better vs. Rafa and worse vs. Fed in the last six or so slam finals he's played vs. both of them

 

[Fed881981]

It's fitting that the best two players in the world are playing the final match of the year.

Fed in 3, with recognition that beating Djokovic twice in the same week is going to be extremely difficult.

 

[merwy]

Anyone know when the match is on? Can't see it in the atp app

 

[Aesthetics_above_all_else]

Anyone know when the match is on? Can't see it in the atp app

12 PM in CST

 

[Gary Duane]

A towel doesn't mean much to Fed, you know

Oh come on, Chanwan, a chair isn't going to do it. Gumby will just collapse into a ball and spring up in perfect shape.

Fed needs to bring a crucifix, garlic and a wooden stake tomorrow!