Just a Reminder (Thiem losses on clay)

Lleytonstation

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Thiem's losses on clay since 2018 include...

Verdasco (2)
Tsits
Zverev
Fognini
Jarry
Klizan
Schwartzman
Djere
Lajovic
Rublev
Mager
Djoker

... and of course Rafa three times.

Yes, these were not at RG except Rafa, but to say he will easily reach the final again might not be as straightforward as it seems.

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topher

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As we saw at Cincy@NY, Dominic is not above tanking a match to maintain his fitness for the bigger event.

I’m not saying that none of those victories over him were legitimate. But if we were going by his form at the smaller events, he would never have had the slam success he has.
 
MeatTornado

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I'd be more concerned about him being fatigued and having a mental letdown after his first major title and basically beating himself in the first week rather than any one in the field (besides Djokodal) actually outplaying him.
 
Meles

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Lleytonstation said:
Thiem's losses on clay since 2018 include...

Verdasco (2)
Tsits
Zverev
Fognini
Jarry
Klizan
Schwartzman
Djere
Lajovic
Rublev
Mager
Djoker

... and of course Rafa three times.

Yes, these were not at RG except Rafa, but to say he will easily reach the final again might not be as straightforward as it seems.

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Besides yourself, only Djere is a floater. probably will need to be first two rounds. RaoMug with SF, maybe QF might make top 16. He would join or replace Stan; both would be formiddable R16. Coric, Krajinovic, or Ruud R32.

Outside of RaoMug quite a few of these players would be kryptonite for Djokovic, and of course Nadal and Tim susceptible to the same type of players as Thiem. careful what you wish for it might come back on you.:sneaky:
 
Meles

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Hitman said:
Thiem is vulnerable, yes, but in best of five on clay, he has only been losing to the very best on clay. And at RG, that is what counts.

For me, as I mentioned in another thread, my concern for Thiem is more about the mindset heading in. Is he hungry?
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really his psychology Has to be in question after that massive choking/tightness festival to start the U.S. Open final. he was garbage after Australia earlier this year.:sneaky: if ever a year there is that he is going to flop it's probably this one.:sick:
 
Beckerserve

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Hitman said:
Thiem is vulnerable, yes, but in best of five on clay, he has only been losing to the very best on clay. And at RG, that is what counts.

For me, as I mentioned in another thread, my concern for Thiem is more about the mindset heading in. Is he hungry?
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Yes that desire may be lacking so soon after his big win. I think him winning the Us Open is a gift for Nadal and Djokovic for this upcoming FO. Next year it will be different but Thiem would have been much more dangerous had he lost before the SF. Djokovic actually is in the perfect place. Match sharp but well rested after his elimination. Nadal will need a hard match if he wants to challenge Djokovic in a RG final. Right now Djokovic is favourite. Nadal made a mistake not playing Us Open. One cannot replicate match play in practice.
 
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Meles said:
really his psychology Has to be in question after that massive choking/tightness festival to start the U.S. Open final. he was garbage after Australia earlier this year.:sneaky: if ever a year there is that he is going to flop it's probably this one.:sick:
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Ive said that constantly since Sunday.
 
Hitman

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Meles said:
really his psychology Has to be in question after that massive choking/tightness festival to start the U.S. Open final. he was garbage after Australia earlier this year.:sneaky: if ever a year there is that he is going to flop it's probably this one.:sick:
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Here's my personal view. I think it being not only his first USO final, but also the first grand slam final where he was looked at as the favorite really got to him. If you saw the way he dealt with Medvedev, it was very impressive, I think because Thiem felt that the match was a toss-up between him and Med and both were the co-favs for the title after Novak had gone out, he knew how to approach it better. I don't think Thiem was mentally or emotionally prepared to face anyone other than Djokovic in the final and especially not Zverev who look questionable heading into that match.

Thiem IMO likes to play the role of the underdog, I think he feels less pressure that way...but I also think feeling the way of the underdog is kind of something not only him, but all of them have kind of gotten used to, living in the massive shadows of the big 3, that anything else just feels alien to them. Now, Thiem made it through, somehow, but how will he approach RG from a hunger perspective is more the question for me. I don't think him being comfortable being the guy who is chasing the top spot will be a hinderence, it is more about if he feels the USO is enough to call it a year for him.
 
Meles

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Beckerserve said:
Yes that desire may be lacking so soon after his big win. I think him winning the Us Open is a gift for Nadal and Djokovic for this upcoming FO. Next year it will be different but Thiem would have been much more dangerous had he lost before the SF. Djokovic actually is in the perfect place. Match sharp but well rested after his elimination. Nadal will need a hard match if he wants to challenge Djokovic in a RG final. Right now Djokovic is favourite. Nadal made a mistake not playing Us Open. One cannot replicate match play in practice.
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We find out this week in Rome. I hope PCB is good with jet lag.:D
 
Meles

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Hitman said:
Here's my personal view. I think it being not only his first USO final, but also the first grand slam final where he was looked at as the favorite really got to him. If you saw the way he dealt with Medvedev, it was very impressive, I think because Thiem felt that the match was a toss-up between him and Med and both were the co-favs for the title after Novak had gone out, he knew how to approach it better. I don't think Thiem was mentally or emotionally prepared to face anyone other than Djokovic in the final and especially not Zverev who look questionable heading into that match.

Thiem IMO likes to play the role of the underdog, I think he feels less pressure that way...but I also think feel the way of the underdog is kind of something not only him, but all of them have kind of gotten used to, living in the massive shadows of the big 3, that anything else just feels alien to them. Now, Thiem made it through, somehow, but how will he approach RG from a hunger perspective is more the question for me. I don't think him being comfortable being the guy who is chasing the top spot will be a hinderence, it is more about if he feels the USO is enough to call it a year for him.
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Well he beat fed in Indian wells and then won Barcelona smashing rafa last year.:p
 
Hitman

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Beckerserve said:
Yes that desire may be lacking so soon after his big win. I think him winning the Us Open is a gift for Nadal and Djokovic for this upcoming FO. Next year it will be different but Thiem would have been much more dangerous had he lost before the SF. Djokovic actually is in the perfect place. Match sharp but well rested after his elimination. Nadal will need a hard match if he wants to challenge Djokovic in a RG final. Right now Djokovic is favourite. Nadal made a mistake not playing Us Open. One cannot replicate match play in practice.
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I wouldn't say Djokovic is that match sharp, a slight edge over Nadal, sure, but the guy went out in the most shocking of fashions in the fourth round. He technically played three matches and a set at the USO. Yes, he had some knock down drag out affairs at the Cincy event, but I think that is too far back in the rear view mirror at this point.
 
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Hitman said:
I wouldn't say Djokovic is that match sharp, a slight edge over Nadal, sure, but the guy went out in the most shocking of fashions in the fourth round. He technically played three matches and a set at the USO. Yes, he had some knock down drag out affairs at the Cincy event, but I think that is too far back in the rear view mirror at this point.
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Hard to predict until we see the draw. I fear Goffin and Diego. They always cause him problems even if he wins. Hoping his side is loaded with big servers.
 
Beckerserve

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Meles said:
We find out this week in Rome. I hope PCB is good with jet lag.:D
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PCB is going to smoke Rafa. He will take out the frustration of USO choke out on Rafa. It is the perfect match for him. Will be hard posting on here when it happens as the server will crash lol.
 
Lleytonstation

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Meles said:
Besides yourself, only Djere is a floater. probably will need to be first two rounds. RaoMug with SF, maybe QF might make top 16. He would join or replace Stan; both would be formiddable R16. Coric, Krajinovic, or Ruud R32.

Outside of RaoMug quite a few of these players would be kryptonite for Djokovic, and of course Nadal and Tim susceptible to the same type of players as Thiem. careful what you wish for it might come back on you.:sneaky:
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I approve for you to apply all "diamond age" techniques to fully eradicate any chances that Djoker wins anything.

Even if that means a Thiem win... :X3:
 
Lleytonstation

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Meles said:
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Ha not even going to respond to that.

Rafa has no competition here.

Djoker? Maybe has a slight chance if Rafa is out of form.

Thiem? He should just let the men play the real slams and wait for AO since he is just a HC specialist ball basher. He is more likely to lose to Djere, Jarry, or Mager before reaching Rafa. In fact, he should fear Zverev the most. ;)
 
Meles

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TheNachoMan said:
@Meles whats the weather looking like for France in a couple of weeks? Would be a shame if there was any rain:sneaky:
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Well they have a roof to protect the top seeds if needed. The French are very thrifty so I don’t think they’ll close the roof so they can save money on the watering bills for the clay.:)
 
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