Thiem vs Medvedev 2019 barcelona final

[Nadalgaenger]

Fantastic tournament by Dominic, played great the whole week and deserved to lift the trophy today.

He is so much more mature player tactically in the first place.

It is a great time to be his fan, I tell you. And I I'm sure it'll get even better in the weeks to follow. Don't go away, people cause it's gonna be good...

His 2019 clay campaign seems to catch fire in the nick of time.

Now get some rest champ and come back for Madrid.

I think Madrid goes to Zverev or Federer.

 

[I Am Finnish]

@Meles Thiem biggest threat is Lajovic ?

 

[guitarra]

I think Madrid goes to Zverev or Federer.

Yeah that's possible. But if you ask me I'd rather Zverev loses early to help Dominic get #4 seed for Paris. ;-)

 

[mightyjeditribble]

A bit of a disappointment in the end, but a well-deserved win for Dominic Thiem.

I hesitate to say this because we have seen too many false dawns exposed.

But it feels as though he could be starting to build some momentum, but it feels as though this could be Thiem's year. He's at an age where he should be at the height of his powers. The younger guys are still too inconsistent (Zverev appears to have dropped off a cliff after his WTF win). The Big 3's grip on power might have weakened (a bit early yet, but we will see), at least outside of the slams. The new coaching relationship with Massu seems to be working out well; Thiem not only played well, but he played smart.

He had a breakthrough in IW with his first Masters; granted, Miami and MC were disappointments, but I think those are forgotten with this week in Barcelona. We've seen in the past how players who are ready to make a breakthrough can just go the last step with the confidence of starting to get consistent results. (And we have seen how in past years the big guys have just snuffed out any such insurrection, at least partly contributing to the "lost generation".)

If he manages to win one of the two upcoming MS events on clay, he will surely go into RG with sky-high confidence.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Damn, catalan is weird, a mix of spanish and german

That is only natural. Half Barcelona is owned by the Germans and probably two thirds of the population are from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

 

[Meles]

Well, The Prince has won a tournament on grass. And, he has beaten (a hobbled) Roger on grass. So yeah, he can do it

Thiem no way, well maybe. Meddy is the one.

 

[Meles]

@Meles Thiem biggest threat is Lajovic ?

That won't happen again everer.

 

[Kalin]

Thiem no way, well maybe. Meddy is the one.

That's the spirit!! I mean, the guy can hit a 140 MPH serve, he has a monster backcourt game from both wings, can run, can slice, can hit droppers and passing shots and has a decent volley. Is it that impossible??

 

[Meles]

His chances must be best at the US Open, no?

Meddy? No. He likes fast indoor where his crazy toss isn't a total liability and of course low bouncing Auz Open surfaces and then grass would probably be his favorite; its where he broke out in 2017.

 

[Meles]

I am sorry, are you talking about Thiem or Medvedev winning Wimbledon? Because you couldn’t be more wrong on both accounts.

Medvedev of course.

 

[I Am Finnish]

That won't happen again everer.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Um, facts disagree with you. Seeing that Nadal got beat in the quarters and semis of two clay touraments that he has won 22 times... the facts say Nadal isn't the guy on clay to beat. Moreover, Nadal almost got beat in earlier rounds. This year, the guy clearly can't hold it together in his favorite tournaments in Best-Of-3. How is he supposed to do it in best of five?

There has been nothing from Nadal this year to indicate he is going to perform better at Roland Garros than he has in any other clay tournament this year.

If past is prologue, Nadal is going to get beaten probably in the QF of the French Open.

Bit early for that. Let's see whether he doesn't win Madrid or Rome.

Even if he doesn't, whom do you put ahead of him for RG? Djokovic? He lost in the MC QF to Medvedev, so we can't judge his clay form to be superior. Thiem? Well, he had a great tournament here - but even if he keeps up his great form, winning your first GS is no easy task. Nadal has the experience and RG seems perfectly suited for him. Fognini?

Clearly Nadal hasn't been playing at the same level on clay as the last two years, and the season is more interesting for it. For me he is still the favourite at RG.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Yeah that's possible. But if you ask me I'd rather Zverev loses early to help Dominic get #4 seed for Paris. ;-)

Thiem obviously deserves 4 seed more than Zverev.

 

[Mainad]

Congrats to Thiem who wins his 13th ATP title and 3rd at 500 level. He becomes the 2nd Austrian player to win the Barcelona title following Muster (1995-6) and, since 2008, 1 of only 3 players along with Verdasco (2010) and Nishikori (2014-15) to win the title other than Nadal. He also becomes 1 of only 2 players, along with Federer, to win more than 1 ATP title this season so far.

Commiserations to Medvedev who didn't deserve that 2nd set bagel but, after winning the 1st 3 games, it was all 1 way traffic and little he could do to stop it.

 

[Enceladus]

Thiem with trophy :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1122535816306274305

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1122531316195524614

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Thiem obviously deserves 4 seed more than Zverev.

If Thiem outperforms Zverev for the remainder of the clay-court season, he will easily be ranked ahead of him, right? Street has a lot of points to defend in Madrid and Rome.

If Zverev defends those points, or Thiem doesn't do well, surely it's not so clear cut who deserves the #4 seed.

(I personally think Thiem will easily be top 4 by the time RG comes around.)

 

[helterskelter]

Statement win from Thiem. Nice. While this win doesn't make him favorite for RG, he may well merit being second favorite.

Meddy? No. He likes fast indoor where his crazy toss isn't a total liability and of course low bouncing Auz Open surfaces and then grass would probably be his favorite; its where he broke out in 2017.

I meant for the remaining three Slams this year. I agree overall that Australian Open should be his best Slam and that much of his best work will be indoors, like his compatriot Khachanov and many Russians before them. Maybe Wimbledon over US Open. I think that he'll do better with more reliable bounces, though.

 

[helterskelter]

Um, facts disagree with you. Seeing that Nadal got beat in the quarters and semis of two clay touraments that he has won 22 times... the facts say Nadal isn't the guy on clay to beat. Moreover, Nadal almost got beat in earlier rounds. This year, the guy clearly can't hold it together in his favorite tournaments in Best-Of-3. How is he supposed to do it in best of five?

There has been nothing from Nadal this year to indicate he is going to perform better at Roland Garros than he has in any other clay tournament this year.

If past is prologue, Nadal is going to get beaten probably in the QF of the French Open.

That's a big if, though. And since you cite a cliche, let me mention another one that is likely a more reliable guide to Nadal's chances at Roland Garros: form is temporary, class is permanent. (Obviously Nadal will one day not be able to contend at RG any longer. But to rule against him on the basis of two tournaments is hasty).

 

[Meles]

That's the spirit!! I mean, the guy can hit a 140 MPH serve, he has a monster backcourt game from both wings, can run, can slice, can hit droppers and passing shots and has a decent volley. Is it that impossible??

When you realize Thiem barely won more than 50% of his points for the tournament at Stuttgart his loan grass win then yes its impossible. I remember Halle fondly and Thiem's higher level there after Stuttgart, but all Thiem can do is get a good points haul on grass and move one. He's not winning a big grass event.

 

[Meles]

Statement win from Thiem. Nice. While this win doesn't make him favorite for RG, he may well merit being second favorite.



I meant for the remaining three Slams this year. I agree overall that Australian Open should be his best Slam and that much of his best work will be indoors, like his compatriot Khachanov and many Russians before them. Maybe Wimbledon over US Open. I think that he'll do better with more reliable bounces, though.

Meddy was injured last year on grass, another fish to water moment incoming for the Russian on grass.

 

[bjsnider]

What the hell is up with this bizarre tendency Medvedev has to attract opposing momentum? And, is this just a recent issue, which also happened against Lajovic at MC, or does he frequently lose tennis matches this way? One of the commentators mentioned a shoulder problem, so maybe that's it, but wait, how does one advance to a final with a bad shoulder? He's got to figure out how to cork the bottle before he becomes prone to getting steamrolled every time something goes wrong in a match.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Same Djokovic that lost to Istomin.

Domi has a fantastic chance to beat him if they play this year, but I wouldn't put too much stock in that 2017 win.

Did you see the 2017 Rome SF? Djokovic absolutely crushed Thiem.

 

[MeatTornado]

Did you see the 2017 Rome SF? Djokovic absolutely crushed Thiem.

I did. Probably the only great match he played all year.

 

[Kalin]

When you realize Thiem barely won more than 50% of his points for the tournament at Stuttgart his loan grass win then yes its impossible. I remember Halle fondly and Thiem's higher level there after Stuttgart, but all Thiem can do is get a good points haul on grass and move one. He's not winning a big grass event.

True, but Thiem is a much better and more complete player now that he was then. While he's by no means a lock to do well on grass it is not entirely impossible.

Grass tennis used to be for the grass experts only. In the past 15 years or so it has simply been the realm of very good players and Thiem is definitely one.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

I should've went fishing.

And I should have gone to eat ice gola (just 0.5 miles away but I was expecting a tight battle)
We both did same. We put our trust, got betrayed badly by russian BS....
Hail FEDER....

Mad Lad is perfecting the Art of the Bullsheet Breakdown

Man you better shut your phuck up, okay??

Hey that's supposed to be a @Meles copyrighted gif

 

[Red Rick]

And I should have gone to eat ice gola (just 0.5 miles away but I was expecting a tight battle)
We both did same. We put our trust, got betrayed badly by russian BS....
Hail FEDER....



Man you better shut your phuck up, okay??




Hey that's supposed to be a @Meles copyrighted gif

I'm sure he'll forgive us for spreading the propaganda.

 

[Meles]

What the hell is up with this bizarre tendency Medvedev has to attract opposing momentum? And, is this just a recent issue, which also happened against Lajovic at MC, or does he frequently lose tennis matches this way? One of the commentators mentioned a shoulder problem, so maybe that's it, but wait, how does one advance to a final with a bad shoulder? He's got to figure out how to cork the bottle before he becomes prone to getting steamrolled every time something goes wrong in a match.

This just shows his potential. Medvedev is cleaning up in 2019 and he's not even serving well.

 

[Meles]

And I should have gone to eat ice gola (just 0.5 miles away but I was expecting a tight battle)
We both did same. We put our trust, got betrayed badly by russian BS....
Hail FEDER....



Man you better shut your phuck up, okay??




Hey that's supposed to be a @Meles copyrighted gif

The mighty Het a Meddy fan?

Watch him on grass, this is all just points vacuuming so he's got a top 8 seed on grass.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

It's definitely not Thiem. If Medvedev played with the same level that he played Nishikori, he easily wins this matchup in straights. Medvedev definitely faded in a big way after the start of this match.

Yeah that's what I saw after watching the highlights that Medvedev was horrible after a 3-0 start in the first set. Poor match overall.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

You're just posting above your skill set.

Haha @Meles you must be over the moon with Thiem playing well after the disappointing Monte Carlo.

I wonder how he will do for the remainder of Clay Season?

Can he beat not one but two Top Players in the same tournament? That remains to be seen.

 

[merwy]

I don’t usually gloat but this one is too good to pass up. Btw, have you ever seen Medvedev play?

Sigh.. wanted to give you props for being right but you’re not making it easy this way. And this doesn’t change the fact that your previous comment didn’t make any sense at all. It’s like saying “Nadal is quite slow and lacks a good forehand but he’ll beat Federer in straights with his quality s&v skills”. You might be right about the result but that doesn’t mean the reasoning behind it was correct.

 

[Meles]

Haha @Meles you must be over the moon with Thiem playing well after the disappointing Monte Carlo.

I wonder how he will do for the remainder of Clay Season?

Can he beat not one but two Top Players in the same tournament? That remains to be seen.

Yes he can this year as his stamina levels are betterer.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Thiem 1% yes, Meddy at least 20%.

Actually I would reverse your percentages. If Thiem becomes a #1 player, wins the French Open several times and rolls into Wimbledon full of confidence, he could win Wimbledon one day. By then, the tour will be dominated by mindless bashers with no variety and Thiem at least has some lovely touch.

 

[Meles]

Actually I would reverse your percentages. If Thiem becomes a #1 player, wins the French Open several times and rolls into Wimbledon full of confidence, he could win Wimbledon one day. By then, the tour will be dominated by mindless bashers with no variety and Thiem at least has some lovely touch.

I'm talking about this year and trust me Meddy will do really, really well.

 

[EasyGoing]

Sigh.. wanted to give you props for being right but you’re not making it easy this way. And this doesn’t change the fact that your previous comment didn’t make any sense at all. It’s like saying “Nadal is quite slow and lacks a good forehand but he’ll beat Federer in straights with his quality s&v skills”. You might be right about the result but that doesn’t mean the reasoning behind it was correct.

I guess we are looking at different tennis matches then, because I got it absolutely right. Daniil couldn’t hurt Thiem from the baseline and resorted to plan B, which failed completely. Just like I said.

Your comparison is way way off, in fact it’s stupid beyond words and totally unrelated to what i said. A poor attempt in all aspects. This also makes me think your intention to give props is fake. Either way, I asked you for a detailed preview of the match beforehand but you dodged it - I wonder why. So, you are just a poor loser I guess.

 

[merwy]

Sigh.. wanted to give you props for being right but you’re not making it easy this way. And this doesn’t change the fact that your previous comment didn’t make any sense at all. It’s like saying “Nadal is quite slow and lacks a good forehand but he’ll beat Federer in straights with his quality s&v skills”. You might be right about the result but that doesn’t mean the reasoning behind it was correct.

I guess we are looking at different tennis matches then, because I got it absolutely right. Daniil couldn’t hurt Thiem from the baseline and resorted to plan B, which failed completely. Just like I said.

Your comparison is way way off, in fact it’s stupid beyond words and totally unrelated to what i said. A poor attempt in all aspects. This also makes me think your intention to give props is fake. Either way, I asked you for a detailed preview of the match beforehand but you dodged it - I wonder why. So, you are just a poor loser I guess.

I didn’t have time to post a reply to that but anyway I already posted somewhere else in this thread that Medvedev wasn’t going to be easy for Thiem and Medvedev was basically like an agile Berdych who is strong on both sides. I also voted Med in 3 earlier. So I already said I was wrong about that. Didn’t watch the match so can’t comment on how the match unfolded. Expected Med to be very tough to beat in rallies because of his flat and deep shots and (unlike what you said) solid defensive skills relative to his height. Thought the occasion might get to Thiem and he would overhit a lot.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[The Shape-shifter]

Have you even watched Medvedev play, like ever?

Yes, any player who knows how to draw the Russian troll to the net consistently with short slices/dropshots will get loads of freebies from hitting passing shot winners.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

The mighty Het a Meddy fan?

Watch him on grass, this is all just points vacuuming so he's got a top 8 seed on grass.

Not at all a meddy fan.
He always looks tired, self implodes so many times. And above all, his flat shots' based pusher game doesn't give me much joy as well...
If it is destined for me to watch a pushing player then Daniil would be the last choice...

And I don't think he'll account for bigger things on grass if he keeps pushing like this..

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

I'm sure he'll forgive us for spreading the propaganda.

I am absolutely unsure of that thing
@Meles 's internal Demons might stop him from doing that

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

He could peak for the USO. The only non-clay event left this year I could see him do well in.

Torronto, paris say hi to you dear mike

 

[jstr]

Where is Djoko ?

 

[mightyjeditribble]

True, but Thiem is a much better and more complete player now that he was then. While he's by no means a lock to do well on grass it is not entirely impossible.

Grass tennis used to be for the grass experts only. In the past 15 years or so it has simply been the realm of very good players and Thiem is definitely one.

Thiem's tactical game may be improving, his slice too. I don't necessarily expect a big splash from him on the grass, but it wouldn't entirely surprise me, provided that he has a little luck with draws.

(Sent from my mobile phone.)

 

[dParis]

Match over by page 3 of this thread. There are at least 3 pages of pre-match lead up for a typical Fedalovic match.

Is tennis in trouble?

 

[oldmanfan]

Yeah that's possible. But if you ask me I'd rather Zverev loses early to help Dominic get #4 seed for Paris. ;-)

So you're saying you'd rather see Fedr win Madrid19 instead of Z?
Hmm.... I'm okay with that.

 

[guitarra]

So you're saying you'd rather see Fedr win Madrid19 instead of Z?
Hmm.... I'm okay with that.

Of course. Fed is one of my favourite players while I truly dislike Zverev, I don't hate him though.

 

[BeatlesFan]

And I don't think he'll account for bigger things on grass if he keeps pushing like this..

I usually like Russian players, but Medvedev just doesn't have that wow factor at all and his game is just unattractive. But I guess he's got his fans.

All fourteen of them.

 

[EllieK]

What an awful anti-climactic final. Congrats to Thiem and Medvedev needs to head back to the practice courts. Maybe he can practice with Tsitsipas. That ought to get them both going.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

I usually like Russian players, but Medvedev just doesn't have that wow factor at all and his game is just unattractive. But I guess he's got his fans.

All fourteen of them.

He's surely got so many of our fellow fed fans when he took out imhotep in MC 2019...
But his total number of fans shrinked to 1/10th when he choked from 5-1 to lose 7-5 6-1