Why do Federer fans hate Nadal and Murray so much
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FedererWinsWimbledon2014
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Djokovic-2011
Federer- because he is better than Rafa, has all the records and plays beautiful tennis. They can't take all the plaudits Roger gets.
Crisstti
Legend
There, fixed it for you.
anantak2k
Semi-Pro
It was really tough for Gaudio to win the FO. heh
He is one of the greatest ever since he won such a difficult slam.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
True; doubles only matter to the Federer fringe if they can spin it into a positive on a scale such as the Olympics. Before Federer's failure to win Gold in singles, they had no use for doubles at all.
Their hypocrisy knows no limits. They will say anything to defend/pump Federer.
granddog29
Banned
TMF imparticular berates any value doubles has (eg- completely dismissing the Williams doubles success vs people with virtually none like Graf, Evert, Henin), yet he then in contrast uses "DOUBLES gold" to supposably compensate Federer's inability to win the Olympic title.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Well observed--the very reason hypocritical fringe members of that kind can be dismissed with ease: they will spin anything to protect their false "god."
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
Simple reasons for simple people : H2H
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
why hate Nadal for that ? he's not picking your butt is he ? :lol:
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
Regarding Murray, he became a pain back in 2008/2009 when Federer was already suffering so many disappointing losses.
Since losing in straight sets in the US Open final Murray proceeded to beat Federer 4 times in a row, all in deciding sets, and all but once he did it by coming back from a set down to do so.
It was an infuriating time to be a Federer fan, to see him losing matches from winnable positions so often, and by being drawn in the same half as often as they were Andy was able to capitalise more than most.
Since then Murray has been able to inflict damage on the others a bit more in big matches, so he pretty much gets it in the neck from everyone now.
Since losing in straight sets in the US Open final Murray proceeded to beat Federer 4 times in a row, all in deciding sets, and all but once he did it by coming back from a set down to do so.
It was an infuriating time to be a Federer fan, to see him losing matches from winnable positions so often, and by being drawn in the same half as often as they were Andy was able to capitalise more than most.
Since then Murray has been able to inflict damage on the others a bit more in big matches, so he pretty much gets it in the neck from everyone now.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Murray is nothing for Federer fans. He hasnt taken anything from Fed.
Berdych probably gets under our skin more, since he has won more key matches.
Berdych probably gets under our skin more, since he has won more key matches.
Roddick85
Hall of Fame
I think hate is a strong word. I'm not a big fan of either player, but at the end of the day, I still respect them. The "hate" steems more from the drastic/different play style both player have which is obviously a lot more defensive than anything. You can be a fan of all players, but at the end of the day, someone that enjoy's watching offensive tennis cannot say they like watching Murray,Ferrer,Nadal, same for supporters of long rallies, you can't say you enjoy watching Sampras, Federer etc...Just the way it is.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
since pro players play matches to win, there is no reason why one should hate a player because he beats his idol
the reason why I hate Federer is not because he used to win everything (actually i was fan of him until januray 2009 and these pathetic tears...)
I hate him because he is fake, sissy, wants to be the center of the attention all the time (tears in 2009) wants people to think he is a gentleman, the perfect man etc whereas he is absolutely not, he is extremely arrogant, selfish, and a sore loser. Also his true colours could be revealed when he lost to Stakhovsky (this dangerous passing shot aiming Stakhovsky face).
I do prefer players acting like jerks but being honest with themselves: Janowicz, Tomic, Gulbis, etc..
I am a fan of Berlocq and i don't hate players who beat him, otherwise i would hate every player on the tour :lol:
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FedererWinsWimbledon2014
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Sorry but this ridiculous, you really think Federer faked tears so as to be the centre of attention?
Federer cried because he loves the sport so much, surely as a tennis fan you should actually like him more?
And the other stuff you have said, you don't know him so you can't make those comments, Federer is well known to be one of the good guys, tennis as a sport is lucky to have him.
This. Clearly OG's a more heralded prize than anything in tennis, save for the 4-Slams. Seems Tennisaddict has a bone to pick with the World Number 3, I mean bringing up Berdych- that's not helping your case.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Ironically, the more you keep insisting that Murray is 'nothing', the more you just confirm the OP's point. The hate towards Murray from many Fedfans (and after all, it's not just me who's noticed it, is it? I'm not the guy who started this thread) quite often takes the form that Murray is a 'nobody' who doesn't bother Federer at all. The hate takes the form of dismissal in that Murray's consistently positive H2H means nothing at all because Murray is a 'nobody' and therefore everyone can forget about it because it doesn't really exist because, hey, Murray doesn't really exist does he? You are evidently a typical example of this.
Ah but you know that, more likely than not, Federer will beat Berdych, given their H2H.
Berdych beat Federer in 2 Slam quarters (2010 Wimbledon and 2012 USO) but do you really think Fed would have beaten Nadal in the former (in Nadal's best year on tour before now) and Djokovic in the latter if he had then progressed to the finals (given that he had lost to Djokovic in the previous 2 USOs)?
BTW...do Berdych's key match wins against Fed include the 2004 Athens Olympics by the way? (Oh I forgot, Olympics apparently don't count for Fedfans, do they? They only count for Fed himself).
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Is this supposed to be reverse psychology?
There are 4-5 new threads a day dedicated to denigrating Federer's achievements. That's a lot of work. Hating Murray and Nadal? All I see is 2 trolls baiting. That's a drop in the sea compared to the hate directed at Federer.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
Mainad, drinking and posting as usual eh? :twisted:
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Ironically, the more you keep insisting that Murray is 'nothing', the more you just confirm the OP's point. The hate towards Murray from many Fedfans (and after all, it's not just me who's noticed it, is it? I'm not the guy who started this thread) quite often takes the form that Murray is a 'nobody' who doesn't bother Federer at all. The hate takes the form of dismissal in that Murray's consistently positive H2H means nothing at all because Murray is a 'nobody' and therefore everyone can forget about it because it doesn't really exist because, hey, Murray doesn't really exist does he? You are evidently a typical example of this.
Ah but you know that, more likely than not, Federer will beat Berdych, given their H2H.
Berdych beat Federer in 2 Slam quarters (2010 Wimbledon and 2012 USO) but do you really think Fed would have beaten Nadal in the former (in Nadal's best year on tour before now) and Djokovic in the latter if he had then progressed to the finals (given that he had lost to Djokovic in the previous 2 USOs)?
BTW...do Berdych's key match wins against Fed include the 2004 Athens Olympics by the way? (Oh I forgot, Olympics apparently don't count for Fedfans, do they? They only count for Fed himself).
2010 wimbledon was the first time Federer did not reach Wimbledon finals in a decade. There is nothing to indicate he would have lost to Nadal in the finals. That loss kind of set the downward spiral for Fed from his epic performances for a decade.
On Grass, even today , Federer can win against Nadal.
You can hype Murray , but frankly there is nothing to hate . His game is boring though.
granddog29
Banned
BTW...do Berdych's key match wins against Fed include the 2004 Athens Olympics by the way? (Oh I forgot, Olympics apparently don't count for Fedfans, do they? They only count for Fed himself).
Of course the Olympics even more than ever cant count now. Cant have the idea Berdych was a tough opponent for even prime Federer ever arise of course. :lol: Heck Federer fans are still trying to insist prime Federer would have owned prime Nadal, even though peak Federer lost 6 of his first 7 matches to 17-19 year old Nadal and Federer at 27 years and 6 months was down 2-6 vs Nadal in slams already.
Povl Carstensen
Legend
Prime Federer was 5-2 against Nadal off clay. And I reckon 4 of those slam losses were on clay? No one is challenging that Nadal is a better clay player. BTW I am not saying peak Federer would own peak Nadal. Who does?
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Don't spoil their delusions.
Olympics is NOT the same as ITF and the ATP which separate between individual and double. Olympics is not only about winning medals for their nations, but they have mixture of single and team events which all gold medals are created equal. Figure skating, gymnastics, swimming, tracks/fields, diving and many other sports have both individual and team competitions. The Olympics does NOT assign which medals are worth more than the other. All medal count toward each nation is the same. No one in their right mind would say the Swiss gold medal has lesser value the Spain gold medal.
However, not all games in the Olympics have the same prestigious value. Wrestling, swimming, boxing, gymnastics are bigger than many other sports. Especially track & field which was played since the ancient Greeks. Olympics has been around for over 100 years and tennis only got started in 1988 so it's not as big as other events.
However, not all games in the Olympics have the same prestigious value. Wrestling, swimming, boxing, gymnastics are bigger than many other sports. Especially track & field which was played since the ancient Greeks. Olympics has been around for over 100 years and tennis only got started in 1988 so it's not as big as other events.
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chandu612
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Totally agree..the highlighted parts are the exact reasons I dont like him.
Such a shame, he is a delight to watch on court. Ever since Nadal started to beat him, his tone towards Nadal changed. He never admits Nadal is the favourite. He tries to undermine Nadal's clay court play. The only person I saw who admits he might be the GOAT. He is clearly a sore loser. But he wants to project himself as a gentleman. If not for this, I would have been a huge Federer fan by now.
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
What are you talking about Russel? It looks like you've been hitting the sherry bottle more than I have!
batz
G.O.A.T.
The last bolded statement is simply untrue. Tennis featured in the first modern Olympics in 1896 and continued to feature until the 1928 Olympics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_Summer_Olympics
I'm not quite sure what you mean by the first statement in bold. Olympic tennis is an ITF event, and provides separate events for singles and doubles - just like every other ITF event.
http://2012.itftennis.com/olympics/home.aspx
IMO Roger is the GOAT whether he is has an Olympic singles gold or not, so I don't get why some Fed fans feel the need to suggest that Golds won in doubles are equivelant to Golds won in singles. Nobody would make that argument about slams or any other tennis event you care to mention - Olympics are no different. The Olympics is not a team event per se - no team 'wins the Olympics'. This is why Umpires call the score by the player's names, rather than their country (unlike the DC which is a genuine team event that is won by a country).
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
At the end of olympics, how is the ranking done ?
You rank based on the gold each country has achieved . Not on Singles gold or doubles gold.
granddog29
Banned
Yeah and was that prime Nadal off clay? Exactly. Federer fans have an assortment of excuses and qualifications needed- clay doesnt count, slower courts dont count, any match before Federer was 23 and after 25 doesnt count, mono Federer doesnt count, tired Federer doesnt count, tough draw Federer doesnt count. Imagine if Nadal was given even half the same set of excuses- indoor matches dont count, any match before 2008 doesnt count, and what is Federer left with? Something like 2 wins maybe, and of course no slam wins anywhere.
While the peaks of Federer and Nadal never really coincided, we have to say 2007 Wimbledon, 2008 Wimbledon, and 2009 Australian Open are the "closest" examples you will find to both being in their primes and playing very well in a big match off clay together. Sure as heck better than Wimbledon 2006 or the 2011 Australian Open (although I am sure some delusional Federer fans will try and insist Wimbledon 2006 was a better example, hahahaha). Nadal still won 2 of those 3, in addition to being 5-0 lifetime vs Nadal at RG.
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granddog29
Banned
Yes one would. It is like comparing a relay gold to an invididual gold. No athlete would rather the former, although not good enough to ever win an individual Olympic Gold like Federer, Jon Drummond, Klete Keller, and others like them are thrilled to get a gold anyway they can, while the true greats like Nadal, Usian Bolt, Michael Phelps rack up the individual golds instead.
Consider you have devalued slam doubles titles to nothing in the past an Olympic doubles gold which would also be worth nothing, unless you are now arguing the Olympics are bigger than a slam. Sorry you have avenue of winning this one.
batz
G.O.A.T.
There is no ranking. No country 'wins the Olympics'. The medal tables you seem to think are rankings are nothing more than a media invention. The IOC does not maintain any such rankings - feel free to look for them:
http://www.olympic.org/beijing-2008-summer-olympics
I repeat - Roger does not need to have an OSG to be the GOAT. Arguing that singles and doubles wins are equivalent for the purposes of assessing a given singles player's achievements is plain silly.
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FedererWinsWimbledon2014
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100% correct. As a man, as a sportsman and as a tennis player Roger Federer is an Olympic Gold medalist.
However a doubles gold does not boost his singles cv.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Conflicting positions are not new to that ilk; at the end of the day, Federer must be crowned, no matter the evidence against such a fantasy desire.
Povl Carstensen
Legend
No but a silver and a gold stacks up pretty well against Nadals gold.
granddog29
Banned
You just keep deluding yourself of that. I guess if Nadal won the mens doubles one of the 2 years he lost the Wimbledon final to Federer, that would have stacked up pretty well too by your logic, ROTFL!
Povl Carstensen
Legend
Yes that would be a nice feat.
They will do anything to devalue Federer whether if it's the Olympics, slams or WTFs.
The one that I feel bad are the Borg, JMac, Lendl, Connors and many other players in the open era that didn't have a chance to compete in the Olympics and Nadal fans will use this metric to boost his goat consideration. For me, I don't care how many medals Roger wins since I don't hold the Olympics against the past players in the open-era who never played.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Olympics is hyped by fans of Nadal and Murray for obvious reasons.
Roddick, Fish, Kohlscreiber and several more skipped the last few olympics citing travel, injury, focussing on 250's as the reason.
So much for the importance, LOL.
Roddick, Fish, Kohlscreiber and several more skipped the last few olympics citing travel, injury, focussing on 250's as the reason.
So much for the importance, LOL.
I have nothing against Nadal or Murray. They both have goods and bads, the only thing which irritates me is when their fans (especially Nadal's) pretend the bad parts do not exist. They overrate whatever tournaments their favorites win and underrate the rival's performances.
batz
G.O.A.T.
I'll see your Roddick, fish and Kohly and raise you a Federer, Nadal, Delpo, Murray and Agassi, - all multiple grand slam champions who have been quite clear about how important they felt winning OSG was to them.
When was the last time you saw Roger Federer cry after winning a SEMI final?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Do you think it will be politically correct for a top 10 player to say so ?
You either need to have Roddick's personality or be a player ranked above 10 to make such statements.
batz
G.O.A.T.
OK mate - you're right and Agassi etc are liars and Roger only cried crocodile tears after winning his Olympic semi. It all became obvious once I put my tinfoil hat on.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
The only hatred and disturbed minds in this thread belong to those who are desperate to crown Serena as GOAT*, and desperate for Nadal to overtake Federer.
* one of these individuals has shot himself in the foot, since while everyone else will claim Serena as GOAT at 23 slams without a CYGS, he - because of his Federer-hating invention of the CYGS as the sole criteria for GOAThood - will not be able to do so ! LOL !
* one of these individuals has shot himself in the foot, since while everyone else will claim Serena as GOAT at 23 slams without a CYGS, he - because of his Federer-hating invention of the CYGS as the sole criteria for GOAThood - will not be able to do so ! LOL !
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I am not saying it is not valuable.
I am saying Federer will value his doubles olympic gold more than his singles olympic silver. Doubles or Singles does not matter when it comes to Olympic medals.
At the same time, tennis in olympics is placed at 750 points for a reason and it should be given the same weightage when assessing greatness.
Really? Very interesting.
What if someone were to post on a public forum that all of their research led them to believe you are a pedophile?
The Olympics are special, because:
a) it's one every four years
b) you get to represent your country
c) you get a medal if you finish in the top 3
Neither of those three points make it an important event for tennis. It doesn't have much meaning for the tennis world, because tennis doesn't need the Olympics to sell the game.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Delusion is correct, as no one living in reality will say Nadal winning doubles, and/or trying to "bundle" what are essentially 2nd place results as the equal of singles in Gold.
The Federer Fringe Tears and Desperation tour continues. Meanwhile, history stands, and Nadal moves forward.
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