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How about this draw for Rafa ?
Wawrinka
Djokovic
Thiem
Zverev
Delpo
Verdasco
Schwartz man
Wawrinka
Djokovic
Thiem
Zverev
Delpo
Verdasco
Schwartz man
Meles will be 100% vindicated if Thiem actually wins this. If Thiem actually beats Nadal and then wins the tournament, he has officially ARRIVED!! But it's a long way from over. I think Nadal has a 90% chance of storming back in three.
How about this draw for Rafa ?
Wawrinka
Djokovic
Thiem
Zverev
Delpo
Verdasco
Schwartz man
I thought RG resembled Rome more than Madrid.
The low bounce in Rome was the difference. So many balls in Thiem's strike zone today versus Madrid where Nadal's heavy shots really neutered Thiem's game. Plus Thiem's big serves more profitable in Rome. RG higher bouncing. FFS Thiem barely got by the Destroyer.
Hopefully everyone now sees what I've been going on about. Thiem is a champion mentally. Nadal wanted back in this match, but Thiem still prevailed. Another dose of what I call "Thiem Gold" in this match where he just played at another level when necessary (the whole match). Nadal was merciless with his game on the big serve points in Madrid, but couldn't pull another rabbit out of the hat today.
Two of his titles last year were also won in that manner. He saved MP against Nadal to win Buenos Aires on clay I think and did the same against Federer to win Stuttgart on grass. Never write this guy off.Thiem has won close matches saving mp from in a brutal manner lately. More confident than ever. Beating rafa like this adds more confidence
Yes, but that is what you have to do to beat an in-form Nadal on clay. The entire ATP can thank Robin Soderling for the blueprint of beating an in-form Nadal on clay (and all surfaces for the most part). Because that is exactly what Thiem did.
You get close to the baseline, you flatten out the shot, and you beat the bloody hell out of the ball. If it goes in, you win. If it goes out, you lose. But you have to put the match on YOUR racquet.
Granted, Thiem will not win most matches playing like that. It is very low percentage. But it is the ONLY way to beat an in-form Nadal. You cannot do it any other way.
I thought RG resembled Rome more than Madrid.
Not to brag but...
If Thiem wins today, Djokovic could actually win this tournament. ROFL.
Two of his titles last year were also won in that manner. He saved MP against Nadal to win Buenos Aires on clay I think and did the same against Federer to win Stuttgart on grass. Never write this guy off.
Again, we must take into account that he is 31 yo now. Let's wait and see how he is.
That' s just a temporary thing.
Not sad with this loss. Avoided two more grueling matches before FO. He can rest for a while before RG now. Playing Thiem and Djokovic back to back after playing some 17 matches in little over a month wasn't ideal prep for RG.
The low bounce in Rome was the difference. So many balls in Thiem's strike zone today versus Madrid where Nadal's heavy shots really neutered Thiem's game. Plus Thiem's big serves more profitable in Rome. RG higher bouncing. FFS Thiem barely got by the Destroyer.
Hopefully everyone now sees what I've been going on about. Thiem is a champion mentally. Nadal wanted back in this match, but Thiem still prevailed. Another dose of what I call "Thiem Gold" in this match where he just played at another level when necessary (the whole match). Nadal was merciless with his game on the big serve points in Madrid, but couldn't pull another rabbit out of the hat today.
A "good" loss for Nadal IMO, going deeper would have likely hurt his chances for FO. Unless it turns out to be a confidence builder for Thiem.
Got more short balls to tee off today. Nadal didn't play his best match in Madrid maybe but today he really struggled with depth of his shots. Thiem still had to play amazing to snatch a win so kudos to him.
I'm not a complete expert. Its closer, but Monte Carlo is supposed to be the closest. Temperature is just like altitude, more decreases air density and the ball really flys. I'm not sure about bounce height to be honest. RG was very wet last year and I believe 2009 was hot and dry. Not sure which conditions favor Thiem or Rafa. We found out today that Rafa liking Rome better than Madrid didn't matter for their matchup.I thought RG resembled Rome more than Madrid.
Exactly. Which is why I'd actually see this as a positive thing for Rafa. The way Thiem played today basically showed that he has given up playing his own game against Rafa, as he feels he will not beat him that way. Trust me. There is no way in hell that Thiem will be able to repeat this kind of performance over five sets against a 100% motivated Rafa if they meet at RG. Would be awesome if he did, but I just do not see it happening. Period.
But come Halle you will care what Fed does, don't you?Many Nadal fans assume Roger fans hate Rafa as much as they hate Fed. News for ya: the world of tennis doesn't revolve around Nadal. Few care what he does in Rome, win or lose. RG is another matter.
maybe because he is the defending champion & defeating nadal there 2 years ago
Did the draws come out already?Your statement above (bolded) I'm not so sure about.
If I ask myself the (relevant) question... "Is Dominic Thiem as good as Robin Söderling?" I think the answer is probably yes. And then if I ask myself the question... "Is this 2017 Nadal better or worse than 2009 Nadal?" I think the answer is probably equal or worse.
Given those two answers, I have to conclude that Thiem actually does have a possibility of beating Nadal at Roland Garros this year. Keep in mind that Söderling had only won 3 titles at the time he took down Nadal, also. So Thiem is in a very similar position.
Personally, I don't think Thiem will beat Nadal at Roland Garros. I think even for Söderling to have done it... the chances were remote. But if it is going to happen... I think this is the time.
Of course, if Nadal is out of form then he is pretty much beatable by anyone at any tournament. But that situation doesn't really apply right now.
You're correct about his match with Fed but against Rafa he won the first set and saved a MP in the decider.Interestingly, he was supposed to lose both the matches in straight sets but he saved MPs in both 2nd sets.
Exactly. Which is why I'd actually see this as a positive thing for Rafa. The way Thiem played today basically showed that he has given up playing his own game against Rafa, as he feels he will not beat him that way. Trust me. There is no way in hell that Thiem will be able to repeat this kind of performance over five sets against a 100% motivated Rafa if they meet at RG. Would be awesome if he did, but I just do not see it happening. Period.
Did the draws come out already?
It has to be stressed that Nadal certainly played poorly at the start of this match and allowed Thiem to really tee off. )
Hope he's the moral victor at RG too - and not the real oneNadal is the moral victor
Your statement above (bolded) I'm not so sure about.
If I ask myself the (relevant) question... "Is Dominic Thiem as good as Robin Söderling?" I think the answer is probably yes. And then if I ask myself the question... "Is this 2017 Nadal better or worse than 2009 Nadal?" I think the answer is probably equal or worse.
Given those two answers, I have to conclude that Thiem actually does have a possibility of beating Nadal at Roland Garros this year. Keep in mind that Söderling had only won 3 titles at the time he took down Nadal, also. So Thiem is in a very similar position.
Personally, I don't think Thiem will beat Nadal at Roland Garros. I think even for Söderling to have done it... the chances were remote. But if it is going to happen... I think this is the time.
Of course, if Nadal is out of form then he is pretty much beatable by anyone at any tournament. But that situation doesn't really apply right now.
I bet my house on Thiem repeating this.
Your statement above (bolded) I'm not so sure about.
If I ask myself the (relevant) question... "Is Dominic Thiem as good as Robin Söderling?" I think the answer is probably yes. And then if I ask myself the question... "Is this 2017 Nadal better or worse than 2009 Nadal?" I think the answer is probably equal or worse.
Given those two answers, I have to conclude that Thiem actually does have a possibility of beating Nadal at Roland Garros this year. Keep in mind that Söderling had only won 3 titles at the time he took down Nadal, also. So Thiem is in a very similar position.
Personally, I don't think Thiem will beat Nadal at Roland Garros. I think even for Söderling to have done it... the chances were remote. But if it is going to happen... I think this is the time.
Of course, if Nadal is out of form then he is pretty much beatable by anyone at any tournament. But that situation doesn't really apply right now.
The low bounce in Rome was the difference. So many balls in Thiem's strike zone today versus Madrid where Nadal's heavy shots really neutered Thiem's game. Plus Thiem's big serves more profitable in Rome. RG higher bouncing. FFS Thiem barely got by the Destroyer.
Good post. I am also not so sure about the bolded part you quoted.
However, I am positive that: 1. Nadal at 2009 was WAY better than Nadal 2017. His speed is decreased since he has aged, and his reaction is not the same. I think that is clear as crystal
2. Thiem being as good as Soderling? That is a more debatable subject. Robin had a huge serve and a biggest forehand (man, I miss those players!). I would say Thiem is a slightly worse version of the Swede, but also Thiem is a natural player in clay. We may also add that Dominic has a RG SF to back up his confidence. Difficult to compare both players really
Anyway, Nadal is always injured when he loses so a good recovery for him before RG
Nothing(other than Fed winning Wimbledon) would please me more than if he did it Let's hope you're right.
Wow, that didn't take them long
Was somebody just sitting at the computer literally itching to write that ...?
Told you not to get too hyped over Rafa, regardless of whether this was a tank or not. Best of 5 is very different as well. You'll likely see in the FO that Rafa is done. All it's gonna take is someone to step up.
Wawrinkic match by Thiem, we may have a contender here! This time he tried to take the ball earlier than in Madrid's final and worked beautifully.
Nadal too erratic to get by an elite opponent, even when he had the upper hand in the rallies he wasn't able to produce pace and angles consistently.
On to the Del Po! May he stay healthy for a while, an in form Juan would be another exciting player to watch.
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All the tenniscasters talk about is the grueling schedule that Thiem has and how he can't win a major because he is playing so much.
I mean he won rg last yearHe isn't the defending champion though.