Basel 2017 QF - Roger Federer (1) vs. Adrian Mannarino (7)

[albertobra]

OK OK not sure it's worth a thread, but it's done!

In the upper part of the draw, nicely respecting the initial seeds.

H2H is clear 4-0 for Roger. But Manny got 2 sets. And today he is a better player.

Today Mannarino played a surprising match against Shapo, very solid in the last part. Yes, surprise is key word in Manny's game, many times he comes out with a different shot that you are not expecting. The matchup was not very good for him, but managed to turn it around with a clever game.

Now, the point is, will Roger allow Adrian into the match?
Be sure of one thing, Mannarino will look for the hole, and if he finds it, he will dig into it.

This is a very interesting match for Roger, to see how solid is his tennis in all the parts of the game, because that is what Mannarino will explore: Each part of his game, to see if there is a hole to dig into.

Day 27 of october at 19 local time.

 

[albertobra]

My vote goes for Roger 4 to 8 (that should have been 4 not 3 can't edit it). But I'd love to see a little fight!

 

[Ralph]

Roger, 3 and 3.

 

[tennisaddict]

Roger, 2 and 3.

Mannarino would not have forgotten the USO match 4 years back

 

[BeatlesFan]

Mannarino is better than either Tiafoe or Paire, but Roger has a cold and wasn't especially sharp today.

Roger still comes through 6-4, 6-3.

 

[prairiegirl]

Roger - 2 and 2

 

[kishnabe]

1, 3 till the trophy.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Anyone think Fed can possibly still add new wrinkles to his game? Wouldn’t put it past him but man... reason I ask is because would this be the match to beta test something? He’s solved Nadal but perfectionists never rest.

No matter what, this season’s winning percentage rivals his heyday. Expecting it to rise tomorrow. 6-3, 6-2.

 

[Sentinel]

Mannarino is better than either Tiafoe or Paire, but Roger has a cold and wasn't especially sharp today.

Roger has a cold !! No wonder he was looking a bit off in the second match.

A cold takes time, I believe, not something that passes away like that. Are you sure it's a cold and not that thing he had at WO ?

 

[Russeljones]

0,1.

 

[albertobra]

Anyone think Fed can possibly still add new wrinkles to his game? Wouldn’t put it past him but man... reason I ask is because would this be the match to beta test something? He’s solved Nadal but perfectionists never rest.

No matter what, this season’s winning percentage rivals his heyday. Expecting it to rise tomorrow. 6-3, 6-2.

Beta test is more likely during training. I don't think it's a good idea to do it against a top 30 player that is having an excelent HC season. I am sure Roger will enter court with the correct respect of the opponent and will go for his match with the right intensity and concentration, as he does against any opponent. This is his perfect recepie to win the match.
I feel like sometimes happens to Roger that he gets so full of confidence to overdo during the match. Which is not always good.

 

[Yoneyama]

I think Roger's assertive and aggressive game style will be the perfect answer to Mannarino's more ensnaring and defensive game style. Mannarino needs time to trap his opponents and construct a point, Roger literally won't give him that time, or a readable consistent playstyle. I think Mannarino stands no chance. If Roger can play like he has the past two rounds I expect Mannarino's serve broken left right and centre.

 

[gn]

Roger has a cold !! No wonder he was looking a bit off in the second match.

A cold takes time, I believe, not something that passes away like that. Are you sure it's a cold and not that thing he had at WO ?

Yep! It is cold. High altitude thing.

 

[Yoneyama]

Yep! It is cold. High altitude thing.

The 'cold/flu' gave him superpowers at Wimbledon remember

 

[ForumMember]

Mannarino is better than either Tiafoe or Paire, but Roger has a cold and wasn't especially sharp today.

Roger still comes through 6-4, 6-3.

His back is okay this time ?

 

[Pagoo]

His back is okay this time ?

You mean Nadal's knee? You need to get with the program!

 

[tennisaddict]

His back is okay this time ?

Fed is a warrior . He will get through both in an epic fashion and will not even talk about it in the press. What a hero !

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Beta test is more likely during training. I don't think it's a good idea to do it against a top 30 player that is having an excelent HC season. I am sure Roger will enter court with the correct respect of the opponent and will go for his match with the right intensity and concentration, as he does against any opponent. This is his perfect recepie to win the match.
I feel like sometimes happens to Roger that he gets so full of confidence to overdo during the match. Which is not always good.

Spoiler

 

[George Turner]

If Federer reaches the final against Del Po he should play with a bandage on his back and on his nose. He's lost a few matches to Del Po and that would provide the perfect excuse in case he lost again.

At the press conference afterwards he can say now is not the right moment to talk about it.

 

[fedtennisphan]

If Federer reaches the final against Del Po he should play with a bandage on his back and on his nose. He's lost a few matches to Del Po and that would provide the perfect excuse in case he lost again.

At the press conference afterwards he can say now is not the right moment to talk about it.

Yeah, just like Shanghai and Miami. Notice how you skipped over those.

 

[johnnyb]

I'd say 6-3 6-4, just because I want to see some nice exchanges.

 

[abmk]

Spoiler

That particular SABR point was a ridiculous one from fed. 106 mph 2nd serve, placed perfectly wide and he gets it back that way !

A bit surprised at Djoko's reaction there though. He normally acknowledges or applauds a great shot like that from his opponent.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

That particular SABR point was a ridiculous one from fed. 106 mph 2nd serve, placed perfectly wide and he gets it back that way !

My jaw dropped on that one. Could not believe that I was still seeing innovation. Opened my eyes to possibilities.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Anyone think Fed can possibly still add new wrinkles to his game?

Well, he added the SABR in 2015, which sadly he doesn't use anymore. Obviously we have his "new" topspin BH this year with his wicked angles and pace. Of course he can add things to his arsenal: chipping and charging on second serves regularly and how about using his drop shot ROS!?

 

[Krish872007]

Yeah, just like Shanghai and Miami. Notice how you skipped over those.

That's the joke he was making.

 

[abmk]

My jaw dropped on that one. Could not believe that I was still seeing innovation. Opened my eyes to possibilities.

well, I had seen that SABR in the matches before the final. But this one was a pretty difficult pickup.
I had also seen jmac do something close (hit and charge or pickup and charge), so wasn't that surprised, but he wasn't taking it was early as fed was.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

well, I had seen that SABR in the matches before the final. But this one was a pretty difficult pickup.
I had also seen jmac do something close (hit and charge or pickup and charge), so wasn't that surprised, but he wasn't taking it was early as fed was.

Why was Becker so shell-shocked, then? Could even see him recoiling, and mouthing, "What was that?!"

 

[abmk]

Why was Becker so shell-shocked, then? Could even see him recoiling, and mouthing, "What was that?!"

maybe because he didn't expect federer to do it ?

See here : mac taking it very early on the way to upsetting Becker himself in AO 92.
(and it isn't chip and charge)

 

[PrinceMoron]

Federer offers the ball boy a hit followed by pizza

 

[Deleted member 743561]

maybe because he didn't expect federer to do it ?

See here : mac taking it very early on the way to upsetting Becker himself in AO 92.
(and it isn't chip and charge)

Mac was incredible, and he would've been 32-33 at that time. But the ground clearance when Fed is taking his is virtually nil by comparison. I mean, I think it's literally inches off the ground.

 

[abmk]

Mac was incredible, and he would've been 32-33 at that time. But the ground clearance when Fed is taking his is virtually nil by comparison. I mean, I think it's literally inches off the ground.

yeah, that's true.
Fed's half-volleying those returns (many a times) when doing SABR and gets so close to the service line.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

 

[fedtennisphan]

That's the joke he was making.

Pardon me, please continue. Sorry it took me so long to respond, I’m watching the Cilic and Fuc.... match.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Cilic is nauseating....stop choking and get Roger on the court!

 

[albertobra]

Only have about 1 hour watch...will it be enough?

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Something hilarious about the guttural German utterance of "Der Ma-es-tro."

 

[forzamilan90]

stream?

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Nice play there from Mannarino.

 

[albertobra]

Off course if you choke those easy FH Manny, you are going to be in trouble soon....

 

[abmk]

2nd serve ace from fed. that's 4 aces in that game !

 

[NatF]

Mannarino looking the better of the two off the ground early on.

 

[stringertom]

Servboterer at it again!

 

[NatF]

Federer challenging. He wants that 5th ace.

Just out...

 

[albertobra]

I think Fed is going to use a lot sliced low bounce FH on Manny's FH. Mannarino does not like to deal with that ball.

 

[abmk]

fed's baseline game looking better now.

 

[stringertom]

Much disappoint...no aces in a love hold. Time to consider retirement.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

The acoustics in this building are stellar. Every blow amplified. What's with the tinny net, btw?

And in that last game, there was a BH from the baseline that was absolutely thunderous.

 

[SQA333]

Roger has a cold !! No wonder he was looking a bit off in the second match.

A cold takes time, I believe, not something that passes away like that. Are you sure it's a cold and not that thing he had at WO ?

What did he have at Wimbledon?

 

[albertobra]

Efficient serving from Manny. Different angles and spins.

 

[SeeingDusk]

Can someone explain why Fed's game causes so much trouble for everyone? For example, great players can normally play their game and hit their routine shots against other good players easily. They can keep doing this and win matches. However, those same great players all of a sudden struggle to play their game and also struggle to hit their shots against Federer. Is it because of Federer's variety, foot work, and shot making ability?