soyizgood
G.O.A.T.
Co-sign. Not a single person among her peers that even bothers Serena.
Miami 2014 WTA Final: Serena vs Li
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Co-sign. Not a single person among her peers that even bothers Serena.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
You heard it here first, Li Na is a "mug."
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Wasn't this proof enough? She was up 5-2, served twice for the set, had a set point, and still lost it. It wasn't Serena playing great, just Li being Li.
tennisenthusiast
Hall of Fame
Will Carlos step in to talk to Li Na?
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
By your definition, Henin was a mug too!
tennisenthusiast
Hall of Fame
that was one kick *** serve to close the game.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Because it's a valid question maybe? Honestly, I don't understand WHY she gets called the greatest as much as she does considering everything. She has perhaps showcased the highest level of play sure, but she doesn't lead in majors or time spent at #1 so I don't consider her the greatest, and many others don't either.
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jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Henin is 6-8 against Serena. Li is 1-10, soon to be 1-11.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
H2H doesn't matter. What matters is winning when it counts. How many H2H trophies do you have sitting on your mantelpiece?
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Bud
Bionic Poster
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
You're kidding, right? Henin is a 7-time slam champion and has 43 WTA titles.
That's a great career in and of itself. Then I'll remind you of her retirements.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
If the match was close there was only going to be one winner. Serena does everything better than Li AND she's not afraid to win.
T
TennisandMusic
Guest
Common sense fan
Yeah, H2H doesn't matter which is why the ATP puts a ton of work into it's own site to track AND highlight the feature on the main page.:lol:
Common sense.
mellowyellow
Legend
She was till her very late 20's... go figure that one. Cant even classify that as a late bloomer.
Backspin1183
Talk Tennis Guru
Common sense fan
Right. Because losing is ok. Losing to the same opponent again and again doesn't matter.
flyingboris
Legend
Since 5-2: 1 game Li, 8 games Williams..
Edit: make that 9.
Edit: make that 9.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Spoke too soon... Breadstick?
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
It's an interesting statistical tool but it really has no bearing on a player's legacy unless you're having silly GOAT debates.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
You don't care about winning championships? That's kind of funny.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Serena can comfortably stay at #1 until she's 40. What a depressing thought for women's tennis.
CrackedRacket
Rookie
Serena had to face some of the strongest competition WTA's seen in the first half of her career. Graf had a free reign after Seles was stabbed as well.
Chris and Martina only really had eachother as rivals, the others just couldn't compete or were headcases like Mandlikova.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Probably not. It should though, with all the tennis we've been missing.
CrackedRacket
Rookie
Li is 32 herself so it's not like this is some upcoming young player everyone had hopes of supplanting Serena at the top of the game.
Service Ace
Hall of Fame
It's a great testament to the human condition and a great statement on behalf of athletes everywhere, male and female alike. Stop being so selfish.
Team10
Hall of Fame
Yeah, they really should start showing some doubles more often. At least the final of a MS1000, I mean come on. Maybe ESPN3 will show it.
CrackedRacket
Rookie
Li is a talented, athletic player. Mentally she's a bit off at times but how often have we heard that before? Leave her alone, she's a much better No. 2 than Zvonareva or Jankovic or whoever the Number 2's were back in 2009-2011!
CrackedRacket
Rookie
I do want in form Sharapova and Azarenka ahead of Li again, as I think they would be.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
By the same token we can say Graf was eventually surpassed by a newer generation. This is the normal way to go out, you start winning some and losing some against the up and comers.
This used to be the way things happened, the normal passing of the guard. One generation's decline is the next generation's blossoming.
What we see now, both in the women's and the men's game, is the uncanny longevity of the past generation's greats, namely Federer and Serena Williams.
Maybe they're just that good and that's why no generation can ever overtake them until they're wheelchair bound. You're free to believe that.
But I'm a skeptic and I tend to believe that the newer generation is so poor that these players over 30 are still allowed to stay at the top of the game without breaking a sweat (especially Williams).
Much like Western countries in terms of the economy, this could be the first generation of tennis that's weaker than the previous one. And that says more about how bad this generation is than about how good Serena Williams is.
She's been given a free pass no previous generation could aspire to: to play a field that's weaker than the field she played in her formative years. That's why she's accumulating all these titles past her 30th birthday.
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The momentum swing was just huge in this match. As soon as Serena started going, it became one way traffic immediately.
D
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Serena now has won Miami title more than any player, male or female. Congratulations to Serena!
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