Bud
Bionic Poster
Wow... who was it that thinks Murray is good on clay?
This is horrible. Hard to believe he grew up playing on this stuff.
Murray looks dressed for Wimbledon.
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MONTE-CARLO ATP Masters 1000- 12-19 Apr. 2009
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Wow... who was it that thinks Murray is good on clay?
This is horrible. Hard to believe he grew up playing on this stuff.
Murray looks dressed for Wimbledon.
gj011
Banned
If he plays 3 weeks in a row as he's supposed to do, I expect something like last year. He should skip Barcelona, otherwise he will be exhausted or maybe injured in Rome.
Bud
Bionic Poster
It's like a club match :lol:
And the same number of matches played in 3 consecutive weeks? It's the amount of matches what makes players tired, not the amount of tournaments played. Your logic doesn't make sense.
TheAeropro
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can i get a feed please?
thejoe
Hall of Fame
illkhiboy
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I like how people are talking smack about Murray's clay court game based on him having a bit of trouble against Hanescu. Hanescu is no joke, he beat Nalbandian at the French Open not so long ago. Besides, it's the first clay court match for Murray since last year's Roland Garros. He's bound to struggle a bit.
I think we can expect Murray to be one of the top 8 players on clay this season. He has all the tools to play well, his confidence is very high at the moment and by the time the French comes around he will likely be a threat to go deep. By that time I would say he would be capable of pushing Nadal to the max.
If you think about it Hewitt's given Nadal problems on clay before. Murray I think does everything better than Hewitt and has a more cerebral game as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat Nadal at Hamburg. Though Roland Garros is Nadal's playground.
I think we can expect Murray to be one of the top 8 players on clay this season. He has all the tools to play well, his confidence is very high at the moment and by the time the French comes around he will likely be a threat to go deep. By that time I would say he would be capable of pushing Nadal to the max.
If you think about it Hewitt's given Nadal problems on clay before. Murray I think does everything better than Hewitt and has a more cerebral game as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see him beat Nadal at Hamburg. Though Roland Garros is Nadal's playground.
shadows
Legend
Murrays making a few nice change ups now, finding some good angles and he seems to be moving pretty well. Takes the first set 6-3.
PHM took the second set of his much, he and nalby are into a decider
Monaco broke Robredo and leads 3-1 in the first
Andreev looks firmly in control 5-1 up in the first
PHM took the second set of his much, he and nalby are into a decider
Monaco broke Robredo and leads 3-1 in the first
Andreev looks firmly in control 5-1 up in the first
illkhiboy
Hall of Fame
No doubt Nadal's clay court has improved since then. But he is still essentially the same player. Especially once he comes under attack he can revert to his old style of play since that is what he's most convenient with. Notice how Verdasco and Nalbandian bullied Nadal into playing far behind his own baseline. For times in both matches, Nadal looked like he was back in 2007.
illkhiboy
Hall of Fame
Well, Nadal can also be bullied on clay though it's much harder. Djokovic did that last year in Hamburg. Mathieu and Davydenko have done that in previous years.
In previous years. And it didn't do Djokovic much good in Hamburg did it? And Djokovic's and Murray's games are not very much alike, you were first comparing Murray to Hewitt, and Hewitt troubled (didn't even beat) Nadal on clay years ago, so it's not an indication of what Murray can do against Nadal. In fact I doubt he even gets to play him.
oscar_2424
Legend
haha Monfils lost and he is the one thats gonna give Rafa trouble in RG, seriously??
illkhiboy
Hall of Fame
Maybe not. I suspect it might take Murray a while to get used to the clay - a couple weeks, maybe more.
Hewitt lost 7-5 in the third to Nadal on clay a couple years back and Nadal's not THAT different a player now than he used to be. Sure, Hewitt didn't win the match and I think that's more reflective of Nadal having ultimate confidence on clay as opposed to Hewitt significantly lacking in game.
Murray on the other hand with his recent successes against Nadal (yes they are on hard but they still count to a degree), his fearlessness of the Spaniard and his self-belief can put a lot of pressure on Nadal. The question is, will he be able to play to the best of his abilities on clay this year?
The reason I brought up Nadal's struggles on hardcourts against Verdasco and Nalbandian is that those two were able to negate Nadal's relatively recently acquired aggressive mindset by bullying him around the court. They forced Nadal into playing his '06/'07 style where he was just comfortable spinning balls into play and waiting for errors.
But you can't compare matches on hardcourts to matches on clay when talking about Nadal, it's completely different.
And Nadal is much better now than in 2007, do you remember what happened on RG last year right?
And Murray may not fear Nadal, but Nadal doesn't fear Murray either: IW final Nadal d. Murray 6-2, 6-1
And Nadal is much better now than in 2007, do you remember what happened on RG last year right?
And Murray may not fear Nadal, but Nadal doesn't fear Murray either: IW final Nadal d. Murray 6-2, 6-1
Tennis_Maestro
Banned
Where's the Monte Carlo coverage? http://www.atdhe.net/ just has some crap from Justin.tv
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
does anyone have a stream? There is nothing on channelsurfing.net and atdhe has something else. I was able to watch some matches yesterday, but today there seems to be nothing.
Tennis_Maestro
Banned
shadows
Legend
lol batz xD
from what I saw I thought he was moving pretty well on the clay, Hanescu made him chase down enough droppers to test that out heh. It's a solid win, I think he'll find things comfy enough vs Cilic too.
Andreev serving for the match out on c9
streams are dotted around, betfair is pretty reliable, otherwise it's an assortment of others showing various coverage
from what I saw I thought he was moving pretty well on the clay, Hanescu made him chase down enough droppers to test that out heh. It's a solid win, I think he'll find things comfy enough vs Cilic too.
Andreev serving for the match out on c9
streams are dotted around, betfair is pretty reliable, otherwise it's an assortment of others showing various coverage
Tennis_Maestro
Banned
Depends on how well its hit, naturally its going to be as effective on clay as it is on grass but it can still be used as a get out of jail shot.
If its hit deep with not much air, it can be useful in being part of a constructing winning rally.
SempreSami
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Murray looked a bit ungainly moving forwards.
Love Game
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