Prince Official - Racquets

Hi Prince Reps,

I really was excited when the Phantom line came out a couple of years ago. I grew up playing in the 90's and played with thin beam racquets that were low powered with the low flex. With that said, I purchased the Phantom 100P and really enjoyed the feel, spin and control. However, after using this frame for a few months, I started developing shoulder pain. I noticed that shots hit off center started aggravating my shoulder and had to discontinue playing with the PP 100P. I was using Gosen Micro 16 at 52lbs which is fairly soft string.

I am intrigued with the new Phantom line for 2020. With this being said, are the new Phantom racquets better at a absorbing shock than the original line?

I am considering a 100 sq inch version with the 16 x 18 string pattern. Is the new Phantom PP 100 more comfortable than the original? How about the Phantom 100x 305?

Any further insight is greatly appreciated!!
Hey tennis347,

I don't want to try and diagnose an injury issue here without ever having seen you play as that can be a bit of a challenge, so I'm going to try and help here without making too many assumptions.

In general, my experience with shoulder injury vs. wrist or elbow injury tends to push me towards issues related to swingweight vs. shock. However, since you mention that it bothers you the most on off center hits and not on a specific stroke (your serve as an example) the issue here might be more related to the frame style in general.

The Phantom line in general and the 100P specifically is not designed to be the most forgiving of racquets, they are designed with a very low flex rating. Also, with the addition of the Twaron fibers in the latest Phantom models, the shock has been reduced. With that being said, based only on the limited info that you've provided I'm not sure that this is going to help you with your issue. My gut tells me you need to look at frames with a slightly thicker cross section that is going to have a little more torsional stability that will resist twisting on off center hits. It's likely that this twisting is more the issue than actual racquet shock. You might want to test drive the new Tour 100 (310g) and see if that helps. It's a great frame that's received some really good reviews here on the board. Additionally the new Phantom 100x (305g) would also be a great option as it's slightly thicker while still giving you that silky smooth Phantom feel.

I hope this helps. Would love to hear your feedback if you get these frames out on the court for a test!

Tyler
 
Welcome to the board guys.

I arrived at Prince after owning several rackets from Wilson, Babolat, Yonex, and Head.

I just wanted to say how impressed I am with my TT100 (310) & TT100P rackets.
The combination of power and feel is superb.
I won't be going anywhere soon.

I reckon that something like the TT100 (310) with 8 mains through the throat would be interesting. Main thing is to use the same materials in the frame.
Hey gazz1,

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the Prince family!

Could you help me understand the 8 mains in the throat? I've seen that a lot on the boards and can't quite wrap my head around it's popularity. Is it simply about pattern density and trajectory control? At the end of the day from an engineering perspective there's a lot of things we can do to the frame that provide way more variation than simply designing an 8 main throat design. I appreciate anything you can share here. After all, what I'm hoping to get out of this whole experience is to better understand what tennis players want and why they want it.
 
My favorate Prince of all time was the Turbo Shark... I wish I would have kept a few..
But my biggest wish would be if Prince would bring back the Diablo XP oversized..
The Turbo Shark was a sweet frame and I don't think that it got nearly as much love as it should have back in the day.

The Diablo XP OS on the other hand.......you might be one of the few people that are still asking for that one :)

What was it about that frame that you liked so much? Was it the specs? It was very unique in that regard I suppose so if you like the extended length, straight beam, OS...then you're right that there's nothing else that's going to come close to matching those specs.
 
@Prince Tennis Official

I need an update to the TX-207A-110 or TX315A-110; with generation 2 Textreme / Twaron.
Speedport Gold & Premier 110 for the uniformed, :cool:
For my players frame an 290 gram O3 100X 27.5" as my TX150A-110 is showing its age.
{ O3 Tour 110 }
Well I have good news for you....you can expect an update to these frames in the very near future. I don't want to give away too much, but if you're a fan of the TX315A then you'll be a fan of what's coming down the pipe.

Unfortunately, there's nothing quite like the old O3 Tour OS that's on the way. However, based on some of the LB posts here maybe we can get you that Phantom 100X in a 27.5" somewhere down the road.

Tyler
 

d-quik

Hall of Fame
Will prince ever make a thick (or tapered) beamed, stiff, low swingweight frame with 18 mains? Not a lot on the market for those combo of specs

Also... those japanese prince racquets... so wild and different.
 

tennis347

Hall of Fame
Hey tennis347,

I don't want to try and diagnose an injury issue here without ever having seen you play as that can be a bit of a challenge, so I'm going to try and help here without making too many assumptions.

In general, my experience with shoulder injury vs. wrist or elbow injury tends to push me towards issues related to swingweight vs. shock. However, since you mention that it bothers you the most on off center hits and not on a specific stroke (your serve as an example) the issue here might be more related to the frame style in general.

The Phantom line in general and the 100P specifically is not designed to be the most forgiving of racquets, they are designed with a very low flex rating. Also, with the addition of the Twaron fibers in the latest Phantom models, the shock has been reduced. With that being said, based only on the limited info that you've provided I'm not sure that this is going to help you with your issue. My gut tells me you need to look at frames with a slightly thicker cross section that is going to have a little more torsional stability that will resist twisting on off center hits. It's likely that this twisting is more the issue than actual racquet shock. You might want to test drive the new Tour 100 (310g) and see if that helps. It's a great frame that's received some really good reviews here on the board. Additionally the new Phantom 100x (305g) would also be a great option as it's slightly thicker while still giving you that silky smooth Phantom feel.

I hope this helps. Would love to hear your feedback if you get these frames out on the court for a test!

Tyler

I appreciate your feedback and advice Tyler. I think your assessment is spot on. I found the torsional stability on the original PP 100P not too be good and balls hit in the upper felt firm for such a thin beam.

I also agree that slightly thicker beam will help with stability. I know that box beam frames generally play a bit on the firm side. I also have had some shoulder issues for a number of years.

I think the Phantom 100x 305 would be something for me to look at. I will keep you posted. Thanks again!!
 

McLovin

Legend
We recently did a little trip down memory lane and took a few vintage frames out for a spin and ended up with a CTS Synergy DB26 Mid in our bags.
As I mentioned earlier, I used the CTS Blast in college, which if I remember correctly, was the predecessor to the Synergy 26 (although the DB version has a built in dampener, correct?).

Kevlar mains, gut crosses, strung in the upper 60s. Good times, good times...
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I agree with what you're saying here. It seems that in recent years the only way to get an extended frame was with a thicker beam and some real power. Prince put the control oriented longbody on the map back in the day and maybe it's high time we take a serious look at how we might bring it back.

Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?

No... Yonex has produced a few at 27.5". I personally have a Vcore 98 Plus, a Volkl C10 Pro Xtended, and a Tecnifibre TFight 325 XL. I'm looking to get a few more from other manufacturers.
 

Alex78

Hall of Fame
CTS was one of my favorite lines of racquets back in the day. We recently did a little trip down memory lane and took a few vintage frames out for a spin and ended up with a CTS Synergy DB26 Mid in our bags. Let me tell you....that racquet was SWEET. Totally unlike anything in today's market. You can just crush the ball due to the weight and flex and the ball has a much lower flatter trajectory than most racquets you can find today.

Do you think people would enjoy a frame like that today?

CTS Synergy DB 24 MP would be a killer :p
 

galain

Hall of Fame
Just a big thank you for producing the Phantom line. So nice to see a company thinking in this direction and putting out a quality product. Please keep doing what you're doing with this - thin beam, soft, classic type frames. There aren't many out there any more.

I'm going to miss the green/black colourway from the last series though!
 

graycrait

Legend
Last weekend I traded away 18 Prince rackets, leaving me now with 30 something Princes on the wall. I had 30+ Prince 90's from the 80's, now only about 10 of those remain. I've only played one Phantom, the 100P, and traded that one for a pair of Prince Classic Graphite 100LBs. I still have 7 POG 90s and 5 or so POG OS.

The Prince rackets that stand out for me are the Graphite Pro 90 and Michael Chang Ti 95 LB. These rackets are quite different but both play well for me. My Prince fet... er fanboy status is on hold right now principally due to an infatuation with the Babolat Pure Storm 95 LTD+ GT which is a relatively low RA racket, 27.5", 19mm straight beam, 95" racket head, 18x20 at around 11.6oz.

I've cut down at least 18 Prince Long Bodies from 28" to various lengths, but something about this particular Babolat works better for me than any Prince Longbody I have cut down. Not much market for 95" - 93" so I have been stocking up on various brands/models: Babolat Pure Control 95+, Volkl Tour 10 Mids, Wilson ROK 93s, Dunlop 200 MaxG latest model in 95", Dunlop 2hundred, Spalding ATP Pro Line 230 XL, etc.
 
Are you going to maintain Beast 98 in Beast line when it is updated? I have found some Beast 100s with pure red painting on a Japanese website, and there is no info of 98 on that page
 
Thanks Prince for getting involved on these boards!

i would love an extended Phantom 100 (27.5 or even 27.25 for a little extra power without hindering the feel). Other features I would love to see (wishful thinking): crossbar and also grip shape adjustment (you should look into what Pacific had done a few tears ago with their pallets, best grip shape ever and so practical for changing sizes). Thanks for listening!
 
I agree with what you're saying here. It seems that in recent years the only way to get an extended frame was with a thicker beam and some real power. Prince put the control oriented longbody on the map back in the day and maybe it's high time we take a serious look at how we might bring it back.

Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?

Are there plans to update or keep the Beast Pro 100LB? My wife and I love that racket!

27.5" is just about perfect. It feels like maneuverability goes way down at 28".
 

Automatix

Legend
It's fantastic to see Prince presence on the boards, especially when you did such a great job with your recent offerings.
Your attention will be very much appreciated and although you won't be able to answer some questions and release offerings which will fit needs of every person posting here I'm sure people will still appreciate the time you spend with us.

PhD engineer - currently senior R&D specialist (totally different field than yours though).

I'll allow myself to reference some issues brought up and my 2 cents...
1. Longbody offerings
- there's a certain craft in developing a stable yet maneuverable lb frame. I think there's a market for 27.25 and 27.5 inch frames, 28 inch ones are very niche and the lacks in maneuverability really affect sales of longbody frames. A customer picks up these, has troubles with timing, shanks more, feels the frame is heavy and ends up simply putting them down. Since none of us wants Prince to go bankrupt again IMHO limited model 27.5 offerings should find buyers - it's a difference big enough to be worth the shelf space and small enough to nail that stability/maneuverability performance.
2. Handle shape - while it's Prince heritage I think Prince would benefit if the handle was less round - I think a Wilson or Yonex handle shape would really increase potential sales. If I got a cent every time someone complained about the roundness of the Prince handle I'd be a rich man.
3. Paintjob robustness - sadly this has been an issue for many. It would be great if a sturdier clear coat was applied.
4. 16x20 pattern - I wholeheartedly agree with what was written by you, the pattern is important but depending on the head shape and string spacing it can work. Still if I could choose I'd take a 16x20 over 16x18 on the Phantoms, 97 as well as 100.
5. Tieoff grommet design - I think all manufacturers could learn a thing or two from Tecnifibre. I think this design should be an industry standard. This really works great and increases the lifespan of grommets.

Wish list?
All of the above and the possibility to purchase grommets for older frames - some kind of 3D printing service? Minimum order of 10 sets? 20? Premium price for the hassle? Don't really know but this is an issue with all manufacturers.
Probably not doable and it may hurt business since someone can just buy grommets instead of new frames but on the other hand the fact that one won't have to worry about getting grommets might attract additional customers, though not many...

My experience with Prince frames back in the day- keep in mind that my memory is not what it used to be so some errors might occur...
Diablo Mid - great mid at the time, while Wilson and Head models were reigning supreme this was a sleeper which IMHO stood its own when compared to the mid offerings of the aforementioned. My only gripes were it was slightly shorter than the competition, slightly stiffish feeling and the mains were too widely spread in the middle - I would have preferred an 8 main throat piece grommet. But overall like it a lot but it was too much of a racquet for me.
Prince Graphite Longbody - great 28-incher. Main gripe? The stringpattern was too open for my taste - tight 16x20 or 16x19 would be much better.
Prince TT Warrior MP - fun and almost perfect frame for me at the time. Would prefer it slightly more maneuverable and slightly extended (27.25 or 27.5). Only gripe was that the paintjob turned yellow, IIRC, and I'd prefer a full bumper guard - the perforations didn't really help with protecting the frame on claycourts.
Prince Shark MP - one of the best tweener frames I've played. Not for my game but like it so much more than the Pure Drive iteration offered at the time.
Tour NXG Graphite MP - hated it. Don't know what it was but it felt terrible to me...

O3 or ported frames in general - I have to say I'm not a particular fan of the ports. I've owned a couple of ported retails and some ported prostocks and the response was too muted. It was the ports which made Prince less interesting to me but never missed an opportunity to give such frames another try. I think the addition of grommet inserts and not going with ports all over the frame really improved the performance and feedback. O3 Hybrid Tour was the right direction in my view, but the specs and string pattern made it tough to control - I'm actually waiting for a prostock version of it but with an 18x20 pattern (supposedly Querrey used that one). Should be an interesting hit if I ever get around to it.

That's about it...
Hopefully you can make Prince great again!
 
It's fantastic to see Prince presence on the boards, especially when you did such a great job with your recent offerings.
Your attention will be very much appreciated and although you won't be able to answer some questions and release offerings which will fit needs of every person posting here I'm sure people will still appreciate the time you spend with us.

PhD engineer - currently senior R&D specialist (totally different field than yours though).

I'll allow myself to reference some issues brought up and my 2 cents...
1. Longbody offerings
- there's a certain craft in developing a stable yet maneuverable lb frame. I think there's a market for 27.25 and 27.5 inch frames, 28 inch ones are very niche and the lacks in maneuverability really affect sales of longbody frames. A customer picks up these, has troubles with timing, shanks more, feels the frame is heavy and ends up simply putting them down. Since none of us wants Prince to go bankrupt again IMHO limited model 27.5 offerings should find buyers - it's a difference big enough to be worth the shelf space and small enough to nail that stability/maneuverability performance.
2. Handle shape - while it's Prince heritage I think Prince would benefit if the handle was less round - I think a Wilson or Yonex handle shape would really increase potential sales. If I got a cent every time someone complained about the roundness of the Prince handle I'd be a rich man.
3. Paintjob robustness - sadly this has been an issue for many. It would be great if a sturdier clear coat was applied.
4. 16x20 pattern - I wholeheartedly agree with what was written by you, the pattern is important but depending on the head shape and string spacing it can work. Still if I could choose I'd take a 16x20 over 16x18 on the Phantoms, 97 as well as 100.
5. Tieoff grommet design - I think all manufacturers could learn a thing or two from Tecnifibre. I think this design should be an industry standard. This really works great and increases the lifespan of grommets.

Wish list?
All of the above and the possibility to purchase grommets for older frames - some kind of 3D printing service? Minimum order of 10 sets? 20? Premium price for the hassle? Don't really know but this is an issue with all manufacturers.
Probably not doable and it may hurt business since someone can just buy grommets instead of new frames but on the other hand the fact that one won't have to worry about getting grommets might attract additional customers, though not many...

My experience with Prince frames back in the day- keep in mind that my memory is not what it used to be so some errors might occur...
Diablo Mid - great mid at the time, while Wilson and Head models were reigning supreme this was a sleeper which IMHO stood its own when compared to the mid offerings of the aforementioned. My only gripes were it was slightly shorter than the competition, slightly stiffish feeling and the mains were too widely spread in the middle - I would have preferred an 8 main throat piece grommet. But overall like it a lot but it was too much of a racquet for me.
Prince Graphite Longbody - great 28-incher. Main gripe? The stringpattern was too open for my taste - tight 16x20 or 16x19 would be much better.
Prince TT Warrior MP - fun and almost perfect frame for me at the time. Would prefer it slightly more maneuverable and slightly extended (27.25 or 27.5). Only gripe was that the paintjob turned yellow, IIRC, and I'd prefer a full bumper guard - the perforations didn't really help with protecting the frame on claycourts.
Prince Shark MP - one of the best tweener frames I've played. Not for my game but like it so much more than the Pure Drive iteration offered at the time.
Tour NXG Graphite MP - hated it. Don't know what it was but it felt terrible to me...

O3 or ported frames in general - I have to say I'm not a particular fan of the ports. I've owned a couple of ported retails and some ported prostocks and the response was too muted. It was the ports which made Prince less interesting to me but never missed an opportunity to give such frames another try. I think the addition of grommet inserts and not going with ports all over the frame really improved the performance and feedback. O3 Hybrid Tour was the right direction in my view, but the specs and string pattern made it tough to control - I'm actually waiting for a prostock version of it but with an 18x20 pattern (supposedly Querrey used that one). Should be an interesting hit if I ever get around to it.

That's about it...
Hopefully you can make Prince great again!
Agree with everything in here. Great post.
 

esm

Legend
CTS was one of my favorite lines of racquets back in the day. We recently did a little trip down memory lane and took a few vintage frames out for a spin and ended up with a CTS Synergy DB26 Mid in our bags. Let me tell you....that racquet was SWEET. Totally unlike anything in today's market. You can just crush the ball due to the weight and flex and the ball has a much lower flatter trajectory than most racquets you can find today.

Do you think people would enjoy a frame like that today?
Yes I believe so.
I had a brief session with the CTS Synergy DB26 Mid (pretty sure it years and years ago and it was a nice experience.
I am pretty sure I was tossing up between this and the Approach at the time and went with the Approach because my favourite colour was/is green. Lol
I have had a couple of the Orange/black O3 Tour MP and quite liked it. I still have them and use them sometimes. Such a soft racquet.
my most recent Prince is the TxT Warrior 107 Ltd Edition (the blue one). Didn’t gel with it for some reason and it stays in the storage bag for now. Lol
 
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AJvR

Rookie
I agree with what you're saying here. It seems that in recent years the only way to get an extended frame was with a thicker beam and some real power. Prince put the control oriented longbody on the map back in the day and maybe it's high time we take a serious look at how we might bring it back.

Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?
As far as I am concerned, a control oriented 27.5" FTW.
 

BHold81

Semi-Pro
Hey there Talk Tennis fans!


It's been quite a while since Prince has been present here on the message boards and we're excited to finally be back. Now we know there's probably going to be a lot of questions about the brand....and rightfully so....it's been a bit of a rollercoaster the past few years to say the least. But what I can say here today with absolute certainty is that we are still here, we are still in love with this game, and we are certainly still obsessed with making the best tennis products that we possibly can. And that's where everyone here is hopefully going to help play a part.

We're probably not going to be able to answer all of the questions that come our way, but I promise that we will do our level best and we will commit to being as transparent as possible. We're here for the good, the bad and the ugly...as long as we keep things civil :)

Before we jump into this adventure, let us take a few moments to share some background on the two of us who are going to be managing this conversation over the coming weeks and months.


Tyler:

My journey with Prince began in 2005 right after I graduated college (University of Illinois), so next year will mark 15 years for me with the brand. I can say that I've done just about every different kind of job over my many years, but my absolute passion is for products development. I started as a tech rep, traveling the world putting on clinics from California to Dubai. Shortly thereafter I took over the US Junior program where I managed over 250 junior players from all over the country. After that I was given my first opportunity to work in product development where I helped to launch my very first product the Prince 5000 stringing machine. From there I moved on to manage the string and accessories business where I helped launch one of my favorite products of all time...Prince Recoil strings. From there I moved into the racquet business and eventually worked my way up to becoming the global director of product development and R&D for the brand. Now, in my latest role with the brand I'm overseeing all aspects of our global business and working with over 40 different partners around the world to try and bring new and exciting Prince products back to the market.

As a product developer I'm a bit of an equipment chameleon as I rarely play the same racquet 2 times in a row, but if I was pressed to pick my current favorite set it would be the Beast 98 with Prince Vortex 16 @ 48lbs.


Tim:

Like Tyler, I have been with the Prince brand through the ups and downs over the last few years. I started with Prince in 2006 working out of the R&D center in Italy as a Junior Engineer at an exciting time following the introduction of the O3 range. The first racquet that I was involved in developing was the Speed Port Black. After spending 4 years with the team in Italy, I made my way to China to work directly with the production teams to refine all of the production processes in an effort to improve the efficiency and quality of the complex processes at a time of economic challenges. Following the restructuring of the Prince business in 2011, I spent a brief period as the Product manager for Asia before starting my current role as Director of R&D. The first task in this new role was to develop a new line and technology which resulted in the introduction of the first generation of TeXtreme racquets in 2014. In this role I am responsible for the line development of all hard goods products, 3D CAD, layup development and product performance and quality. My favorite project I’ve worked on over recent years is the development of the Phantom line, which challenged us to develop a modern version of a thin beam players racquet. It’s something which Prince had been well known for and something that is unique in the current landscape of the tennis racquet market.
While we are a small team, we are passionate about developing the best product we can that has a real reason for being to help players enjoy the game of tennis more. I’m excited about the projects that we are currently working on and hope that you’ll enjoy trying them as much as I’ve enjoyed developing them.


Looking forward to the discussion everyone! Happy New Year!

The Prince Team
Awesome! Great to have you guys on here. Any chance you would consider making a Phantom 100 with an old school stabilization cross bar? Extended length would be cool too. If so, then just take my money!
 
Really great to see your presence here, to counter the people who say to me, "Does Prince actually exist anymore?"

My lifelong racquet has been the Triple Threat Hornet 110, but my 100 is my gamer, as it is about 100% sweet spot. I recently was lucky enough to buy an original Hornet (predominantly black) 110, and found it to be even nicer. On my red 110's, I added about 30g divided over two areas to mimic the weighting of the original Hornet, about 305g strung, and love it. I know the Triple threat line would be a far cry from the direction you are currently going, but just giving them some praise.

I also recondition a lot of racquets and can vouch for the popularity of the CTS series. I love getting them, hitting a bit with them, and passing them on cleaned, strung, gripped and with grommet repairs if needed. Just a tad heavier than I like, I lag a bit after an hour, but they hit like dreams.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Hey gazz1,

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the Prince family!

Could you help me understand the 8 mains in the throat? I've seen that a lot on the boards and can't quite wrap my head around it's popularity. Is it simply about pattern density and trajectory control? At the end of the day from an engineering perspective there's a lot of things we can do to the frame that provide way more variation than simply designing an 8 main throat design. I appreciate anything you can share here. After all, what I'm hoping to get out of this whole experience is to better understand what tennis players want and why they want it.

Speaking of 8 mains through the throat, are there any plans to bring back the double bridge technology? I'm convinced that is why the Tour 100T ESP is so arm friendly. I could barely use a poly hybrid in other racket brands but my arm can tolerate most polys full bed at high tension in these frames.
 

cyanide43

Rookie
Lifetime Prince guy here and I just want to say THANK YOU for sticking around and making quality flexible product for us that want to enjoy tennis and not get arm pain. Truly looking forward to the new phantoms with the thicker beams as an Exo3 Tour stalwart
 

hopcio

New User
CTS was one of my favorite lines of racquets back in the day. We recently did a little trip down memory lane and took a few vintage frames out for a spin and ended up with a CTS Synergy DB26 Mid in our bags. Let me tell you....that racquet was SWEET. Totally unlike anything in today's market. You can just crush the ball due to the weight and flex and the ball has a much lower flatter trajectory than most racquets you can find today.

Do you think people would enjoy a frame like that today?

Looking forward to see those CTS racquets as well!!! Used to play with the CTS Thunderstick in the 90s ... came back to tennis in my 40s and haven’t found a racquet with the feel those CTS racquets had.


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I agree with what you're saying here. It seems that in recent years the only way to get an extended frame was with a thicker beam and some real power. Prince put the control oriented longbody on the map back in the day and maybe it's high time we take a serious look at how we might bring it back.

Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?
Please, please, please make 28"; it's much easier to cut a half inch off than add it. Would be very appreciative if a more 'conventional' beam width was used also; even 'players' longbody racquets are mostly about power through increased swing weight and leverage; if you go thinner than say the TT95 it can be counter productive, even with the addition of TeXtreme.
 
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I appreciate the comment here, but I just want to make one point. When you talk about string pattern, it's important to also consider the head shape and size. Since Prince racquets tend to be more circular vs. oval the actual spacing between the crosses might not be that dissimilar to a 16x19 in a more oval shape. Additionally, when you just look at the # of mains and crosses and not the actual spacing of the strings themselves it can also be a little misleading.

Just a long way of saying that it's not always the best to judge a book by its cover...other 16x18 racquets might not play the same as other 16x18 racquets. With that being said though, as I mentioned in another post we are definitely spending a lot of time these days looking at string pattern and how it impacts performance so you just might see some of the options you mentioned above and others in the coming seasons.
Longbody Equipe 95 MP (really a 97") is a 16/19 (with an 8 main throat); main reason, other than comfort, why I switched from 14/18 Precision 730. TT95 (16/19 six main throat) has a hot spot, which can catch you by surprise on occasion.
 

Lukhas

Legend
Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?
I don't think it's so much the length but the swignweight. You get around a 10 pts SW increase for every 1/4", so 28" can be tricky when you want to find a balance (ha!) between weight, SW and balance. I like extended frames and would like to see more thinner beamed, 95-97in² that are extended since there are so few of them on the market; but sometimes you can't replace the feeling of having more mass in the hoop with more length...
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
Have you tried either of the new Phantom 93P's? I know they aren't exactly the same, but I know a lot of people who've made the switch who were die hard Diablo Mid fans.

I have a 93P 18x20 in my bag that I often use for doubles. I haven't tried the 14x18, but occasionally pull out a POG Mid and a Spectrum Comp 90.



Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?

28" Longbody was a great racquet, but I did find a bit of a flutter in the upper hoop. Textreme could take care of that. The big issue with 28" is the swingweight. As long as it is 330ish I am good, but once it gets much over 335 I struggle. POG LB was reasonable for me and if that came back I would be happy. Beast LB was a bit much, even at 27.5
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
Here's a follow-up question....how does everyone feel about 27.5" vs. 28"? Is 28" just too long for players today?

I have never tried anything longer than 27.5”. I would give 28” a try if the specs were otherwise in my wheelhouse, but I would be hesitant about it. I play at least 50% doubles these days and getting jammed at the net is a big concern.
 

rd0707

Rookie
@Prince Tennis Official

For strings I currently use XP which my inventory is running low. Is vortex or diablo a good substitute for XP? Which one is softer?

ps I’m a long time user of Prince, love the new 97P. Last few years been using the 100P which is great as well. thanks.
 

Havat0402

New User
Thanks for coming out with a 16x18 frame, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw that; there has been a real dearth of that string pattern!

Might you or anybody know how the Phantom 97P t compares, play-wise, to the old Wilson 6.1 95 16x18? I see the specs are close to each other in some aspects. My sticks are going on 10 years old but I don't think I can play with anything other than 16x18 haha
 

Seth

Legend
The Graphite Classic 100 released a few years back had a huge following on the boards for a while. After it was discontinued, it demanded really steep resell prices on The Bay. Did it sell well or was it just a cult TT following driving up the hype? If the former, could we see it reintroduced with a leather grip?
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
@Prince Tennis Official Can you explain the "Prince Power Level"? Tennis Warehouse has its own "Power Rating" numbers for racquets and they don't always correlate with Prince's system, so I guess they must be calculated different ways.
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
Are there plans to update or keep the Beast Pro 100LB? My wife and I love that racket!

27.5" is just about perfect. It feels like maneuverability goes way down at 28".

At one stage, I owned 4 Yonex DR98s. They were all 27.25". I often wonder if this had something to do with the popularity of this racket?
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
Dear Prince, please bring back the Classic Graphite 100 standard length. Many have waited long enough for it to be released, yet it was so short-lived. I have a few POG OS, the new 93P, but it's the POG 100 standard that I can actually play fulltime with.
 

gazz1

Semi-Pro
Hey gazz1,

Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the Prince family!

Could you help me understand the 8 mains in the throat? I've seen that a lot on the boards and can't quite wrap my head around it's popularity. Is it simply about pattern density and trajectory control? At the end of the day from an engineering perspective there's a lot of things we can do to the frame that provide way more variation than simply designing an 8 main throat design. I appreciate anything you can share here. After all, what I'm hoping to get out of this whole experience is to better understand what tennis players want and why they want it.

Yes, my assumption is that I could lower the launch angle slightly by increasing the string density through the middle mains. I'm not even sure that I would prefer this setup...I mean there's always a tradeoff :)
 
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