TIME's new cover: Serena

JustMy2Cents

Hall of Fame
The greatest female athlete of all time—check that: perhaps the greatest athlete of all time—has been thinking a lot about the reason she’s vowed to hang up her racket for good.

“Olympia doesn’t like when I play tennis,” Serena Williams says plainly about her daughter, Alexis Olympia Ohanian Jr. When Williams told Olympia, who turns 5 on Sept. 1, that she was soon to be done with the life that made her an inspiration to millions, Olympia’s reply was as joyful as her mother’s celebrations after so many Grand Slam wins: a fist-pumping “Yes!”
“That kind of makes me sad,” says Williams, leaning forward in her chair in the library of a New York City hotel. “And brings anxiety to my heart.” No kid understands their parent’s absence. But Williams has spent the last few years of her incomparable career tormented by what she’s been sacrificing in order to keep going. “It’s hard to completely commit,” says Williams, “when your flesh and blood is saying, Aw.”
Olympia would also like to be a big sister. One day in August, she blew on a dandelion, wishing for a baby sister. “This is what I have to deal with, on a daily,” Williams says, with the commiseration familiar to all parents of young kids. And yet choosing this path requires a calculus that superstar fathers don’t have to make. Tom Brady, father of three, can retire and unretire at 44; LeBron James, father of three, can sign a two-year, $97.1 million contract extension at 37. “It comes to a point where women sometimes have to make different choices than men, if they want to raise a family,” says Williams, who turns 41 in late September. “It’s just black and white. You make a choice or you don’t.”

Biology may have forced her hand, but Williams insists she’s at peace with her decision. “There is no anger,” she says. “I’m ready for the transition.” She’s thought about what’s next, without knowing how it will feel. Williams will re-direct her curiosity and drive into her investment firm, Serena Ventures. She’ll kindle her spiritual life. She’ll evolve as a mom. “I think I’m good at it,” she says of parenthood. “But I want to explore if I can be great at it.”

Greatness is something she knows well. No tennis player, male or female, has won more major championships in the Open Era—the period starting in 1968 when the Grand Slam tournaments allowed professionals—than Serena Williams. (Australia’s Margaret Court owns the all-time record, with 24 Grand Slams.) Williams earned 10 of those 23 titles after the age of 30, a time when most players retire or plummet in the rankings.

But for all that Williams accomplished on the court, it’s what she has meant off the court that makes her the most consequential athlete of the 21st century, full stop. She, along with older sister Venus, took over a country-club sport with resistance to a pair of Black sisters from Compton, Calif., baked into its DNA. She helped change behavioral expectations for female athletes, and by extension women in all workplaces, by exuding power and passion—and bringing her full self—to her hard-court office. She rewrote the book on body image. When pundits, racists, and no small number of idiots slurred her physical appearance or laughed her off as “masculine,” she doubled down on photo shoots and flexes.

[there is plenty more... quite an interesting read]
 
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clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
It is what it is. Women have always had to make sacrifices to have children. It's not the fault of the WTA or male players that they can carry on with their career seamlessly after becoming a father. Even if women are granted protected ranking when they return from maternity leave there is no gaurantee that they can pick up where they left off.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
Its clear Serena will be facing a massive amount of emotions in the coming weeks. But the fact her daughter loves her so much she's happy she won't be playing anymore could actually be a source of comfort and power for her. Many kids just go "oh mom and dad are working, they aren't here, oh well". Olympia not having that attitude and loving her Mom and wanting her closer is actually a sign of how good a mother Serena is (something she's been pretty open about her anxiety about). Her daughter loves her, and I'm sure Serena will find her next passion.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
It's always good to go when still at the top. I hope Rafa calls it right. It's an anticlimax if you retire after you are no longer a factor.
If he wins gold in Paris 2024 it would be an iconic moment in the history of both tennis and an Olympic event, one that crosses all kinds of barriers and transforms the lives of many generations, who, encouraged by the feats of their idols, seek to repeat and improve their living conditions through sport.
It is a multiplier event, without a doubt.
:D
 

Hoi Polloi

Professional
Its clear Serena will be facing a massive amount of emotions in the coming weeks. But the fact her daughter loves her so much she's happy she won't be playing anymore could actually be a source of comfort and power for her. Many kids just go "oh mom and dad are working, they aren't here, oh well". Olympia not having that attitude and loving her Mom and wanting her closer is actually a sign of how good a mother Serena is (something she's been pretty open about her anxiety about). Her daughter loves her, and I'm sure Serena will find her next passion.

How do you know Olympia loves Serena so much?:unsure:
 

Hoi Polloi

Professional
If he wins gold in Paris 2024 it would be an iconic moment in the history of both tennis and an Olympic event, one that crosses all kinds of barriers and transforms the lives of many generations, who, encouraged by the feats of their idols, seek to repeat and improve their living conditions through sport.
It is a multiplier event, without a doubt.
:D

How many generations‘ lives would a Rafa Olympic win in 2024 transform?
Three?
Or even more?
 

Federev

Legend
The greatest female athlete of all time—check that: perhaps the greatest athlete of all time—has been thinking a lot about the reason she’s vowed to hang up her racket for good.

“Olympia doesn’t like when I play tennis,” Serena Williams says plainly about her daughter, Alexis Olympia Ohanian Jr. When Williams told Olympia, who turns 5 on Sept. 1, that she was soon to be done with the life that made her an inspiration to millions, Olympia’s reply was as joyful as her mother’s celebrations after so many Grand Slam wins: a fist-pumping “Yes!”
“That kind of makes me sad,” says Williams, leaning forward in her chair in the library of a New York City hotel. “And brings anxiety to my heart.” No kid understands their parent’s absence. But Williams has spent the last few years of her incomparable career tormented by what she’s been sacrificing in order to keep going. “It’s hard to completely commit,” says Williams, “when your flesh and blood is saying, Aw.”
Olympia would also like to be a big sister. One day in August, she blew on a dandelion, wishing for a baby sister. “This is what I have to deal with, on a daily,” Williams says, with the commiseration familiar to all parents of young kids. And yet choosing this path requires a calculus that superstar fathers don’t have to make. Tom Brady, father of three, can retire and unretire at 44; LeBron James, father of three, can sign a two-year, $97.1 million contract extension at 37. “It comes to a point where women sometimes have to make different choices than men, if they want to raise a family,” says Williams, who turns 41 in late September. “It’s just black and white. You make a choice or you don’t.”

Biology may have forced her hand, but Williams insists she’s at peace with her decision. “There is no anger,” she says. “I’m ready for the transition.” She’s thought about what’s next, without knowing how it will feel. Williams will re-direct her curiosity and drive into her investment firm, Serena Ventures. She’ll kindle her spiritual life. She’ll evolve as a mom. “I think I’m good at it,” she says of parenthood. “But I want to explore if I can be great at it.”

Greatness is something she knows well. No tennis player, male or female, has won more major championships in the Open Era—the period starting in 1968 when the Grand Slam tournaments allowed professionals—than Serena Williams. (Australia’s Margaret Court owns the all-time record, with 24 Grand Slams.) Williams earned 10 of those 23 titles after the age of 30, a time when most players retire or plummet in the rankings.

But for all that Williams accomplished on the court, it’s what she has meant off the court that makes her the most consequential athlete of the 21st century, full stop.
I don’t think so.

How can she be the “greatest athlete of all time” she when she’d get absolutely crushed by Richard Gasquet at her peak?

And if we give her a “handicap” of sorts because she’s a woman and for her ethnicity, then what about all the paraolympians and even wheel chair players who overcomes disabilities and challenges she (and most of us) could barely imagine?

I just think it’s such subjective, political-cultural-wave of the moment poppycock.

Isn’t it Time the magazine that recently published dramatic photos of the “man” who gave birth?

Absolute foolishness.
 
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Hoi Polloi

Professional
I don’t think so.

How can she be the “greatest athlete of all time” she when she’d get absolutely crushed by Richard Gasquet at her peak?

And if we give her a “handicap” of sorts because she’s a woman and for her ethnicity, then what about all the paraolympians and even wheel chair players who overcomes disabilities and challengers most of us could never imagine?

I just think it’s such subjective, political-cultural-wave of the moment poppycock.

Isn’t Time the magazine that recently published dramatic photos of the “man” who gave birth?

TIME was a respected newsmagazine in the last century.
So don‘t bash them (too much).
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
The greatest female athlete of all time—check that: perhaps the greatest athlete of all time—has been thinking a lot about the reason she’s vowed to hang up her racket for good.

Tom Brady, father of three, can retire and unretire at 44; LeBron James, father of three, can sign a two-year, $97.1 million contract extension at 37. “It comes to a point where women sometimes have to make different choices than men, if they want to raise a family,” says Williams, who turns 41 in late September. “It’s just black and white. You make a choice or you don’t.”
Serena Williams made history and will always be considered a tennis legend. However, I'd like to make two observations:

The first paragraph is the subjective opinion of the biased American editors of Time (an American publication), not an objective fact. Many don't consider Serena the women's GOAT (Margaret Court with more Majors says hi), let alone "the greatest athlete of all time" (why would Serena be greater than Marta Vieira, the greatest female football player, or Florence Griffith Joyner, the greatest female sprinter?).

The second paragrah shows how cringy and entitled Serena is, always crying about being a woman and supposedly not being able to be at the top after having kids. She should have taken lessons from the real GOAT Margaret Court, who won several Slams after being a mother. Imagine the trauma of ther daughter, growing up and listening she was the reason why Serena couldn't catch Court. If Serena had lost weigth after her pregnancy she could have catch Court's Slam record, but she lost 4 Slam finals between 2018 and 2019 due to her evident overweight.
 
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Federev

Legend
It's always good to go when still at the top. I hope Rafa calls it right. It's an anticlimax if you retire after you are no longer a factor.
Very top?

I don’t know. If they can fight to the latter rounds, I love to see how much the athletes love the game and fight to the “last breath” so to speak.

But … if they’re getting bashed 3rd round every tourney, then yeah - it’s just sad.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Very top?

I don’t know. If they can fight to the latter rounds, I love to see how much the athletes love the game and fight to the “last breath” so to speak.

But … if they’re getting bashed 3rd round every tourney, then yeah - it’s just sad.
When you've been at the top for so long the only thing that counts is to take the trophy home. I'm sure players like Serena, Rafa, Roger and Djokovic feel they've failed if they don't win the title.
 

Federev

Legend
When you've been at the top for so long the only thing that counts is to take the trophy home. I'm sure players like Serena, Rafa, Roger and Djokovic feel they've failed if they don't win the title.
You’re probably right.

But I don’t want Rafa to go yet. His game - to me - is as exciting as ever. The way he’s gotten more aggressive - it’s even more fun for me to watch.

And even if Fed comes back and isn’t winning slams - id still like to see him compete well.

When they leave it’s going to be a loss that I will feel in the game for a long long time.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
You’re probably right.

But I don’t want Rafa to go yet. His game - to me - is as exciting as ever. The way he’s gotten more aggressive - it’s even more fun for me to watch.

And even if Fed comes back and isn’t winning slams - id still like to see him compete well.

When they leave it’s going to be a loss that I will feel in the game for a long long time.

Facts. Nadal is ridiculously entertaining.
 

big ted

Legend
Why blame the child in every article? She’s going to grow up and basically read that her mother thinks she was the reason she couldn’t break the record she spent her whole career trying to break.

im starting to get mommy dearest vibes from her actually lol
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
You’re probably right.

But I don’t want Rafa to go yet. His game - to me - is as exciting as ever. The way he’s gotten more aggressive - it’s even more fun for me to watch.

And even if Fed comes back and isn’t winning slams - id still like to see him compete well.

When they leave it’s going to be a loss that I will feel in the game for a long long time.
So long as Rafa is taking trophies home I want him to go on playing but if he is just making the odd final or going out early, no thanks.
 

Federev

Legend
Facts. Nadal is ridiculously entertaining.
He’s the boss.

And he’s become the outstanding leader for the game. Through all the last few years of craziness and Covid madness I feel like he’s been the anchor.

Especially w Roger gone, it’s like Rafa is the only stable statesmen left (no offense to Novak, it’s just so much drama) and he’s worn that mantle superbly.

VAMOS for #23
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
He’s the boss.

And he’s become the outstanding leader for the game. Through all the last few years of craziness and Covid madness I feel like he’s been the anchor.

Especially w Roger gone, it’s like Rafa is the only stable statesmen left (no offense to Novak, it’s just so much drama) and he’s worn that mantle superbly.

VAMOS for #23

Slay bestie :D
I really hope he wins.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
How can she be the “greatest athlete of all time” she when she’d get absolutely crushed by Richard Gasquet at her peak?

Gasquet is way too high a bar. The top male High School player in America would easily defeat any version of Serena 2 and 2.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
No matter what Time says, I began to lose respect for her in the last years, and definitely, since USO 2018.
And I consider myself woke.
 
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