Rafa4LifeEver
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Nadal's worst patch :- march 2015 - june 2016, Nadovic meetings - 7
Djokovic's worst patch :- January 2017 - june 2018, nadovic meetings - 2
Djokovic's worst patch :- January 2017 - june 2018, nadovic meetings - 2
Djokovic's worst period magically ends right before their 2018 Wimbledon match? Bery conbenient, no?Djokovic has really been historically lucky to meet nadal in his worst time period and establish a mental edge over him.
Whereas he himself failed to reach nadal in his own worst period.
Nadal is a way better player than Djokovic in h2h, slam history reflects that. And to everyone who's enjoying 2019 ao defeat of nadal at the hands of Djokovic, I tell you, 2017-2018-2018 every version of Djokovic would have received bagels and breadsticks if he had audacity to meet nadal.
But nope.
And some fans even claim him to be the goat or mightiest warrior and whatnot! Roflmao.... Warriors don't run away or retire from matches. And our beloved hero Djokovic has made a record about it. Career slam of retiring, running away from Nadal when he's in bad form and jumping all over him when the Spaniard is struggling
Hammered, thanks for playingFrankly speaking, you really need a life, dude. Probably the most desperate person I've seen on this forum (have been reading here since 2016)
It must be really difficult and stressful for you to generate and cherry pick stats to just prove that Djokovic is better than Nadal or Roger. I've read some of your threads and you really tend to hype even 2015 nadal by saying that his clay winning % was better than entire careers of Djokovic or Federer.
All this hypocrisy and desperate attempts still won't change the fact that nadal was, is and always will be a much more better, loved and honorable player than the weak era chump Djokovic
Yep, it has helped him in h2h against Fed as well. Wont get into it, but hard to buy the argument being sold here when the "clay" argument is even stronger. It becomes a wash at best.Slam meetings:
Roland Garros 7
US Open 3
Wimbledon 3
Australian Open 2
7 on clay, 8 at other three Majors combined.
The Masters where they played the most:
Rome 8
Monte Carlo 4
Hamburg/Madrid 4
All clay.
24 matches on clay, 27 on hard courts. Hard court season is several months longer.
Yeah, clearly Djokovic is the one who likes to run away.
Not to mention that his early 2017 to mid 2018 patch includes the injury absence that lasted half a year. Maybe we should also count Nadal's longer breaks against him as well...
Frankly speaking, you really need a life, dude. Probably the most desperate person I've seen on this forum (have been reading here since 2016)
It must be really difficult and stressful for you to generate and cherry pick stats to just prove that Djokovic is better than Nadal or Roger. I've read some of your threads and you really tend to hype even 2015 nadal by saying that his clay winning % was better than entire careers of Djokovic or Federer.
All this hypocrisy and desperate attempts still won't change the fact that nadal was, is and always will be a much more better, loved and honorable player than the weak era chump Djokovic
Nadal's worst patch :- march 2015 - june 2016, Nadovic meetings - 7
Djokovic's worst patch :- January 2017 - june 2018, nadovic meetings - 2
Never too late to take up track and field!Wow. You do have a lot of free time on your hands. It should be put to better use.
You're basically telling Don Quixote to give it up with the windmills, but it's worth saying....Frankly speaking, you really need a life, dude. Probably the most desperate person I've seen on this forum (have been reading here since 2016)
It must be really difficult and stressful for you to generate and cherry pick stats to just prove that Djokovic is better than Nadal or Roger. I've read some of your threads and you really tend to hype even 2015 nadal by saying that his clay winning % was better than entire careers of Djokovic or Federer.
All this hypocrisy and desperate attempts still won't change the fact that nadal was, is and always will be a much more better, loved and honorable player than the weak era chump Djokovic
[emoji38]It’s so wild because nowadays I think his backhand CC is better as an attacking shot than Nole’s
[emoji1787]His serve is comparable to Novak’s imo.
Nadal's worst patch :- march 2015 - june 2016, Nadovic meetings - 7
Djokovic's worst patch :- January 2017 - june 2018, nadovic meetings - 2
Nadal's worst patch :- march 2015 - june 2016, Nadovic meetings - 7
Djokovic's worst patch :- January 2017 - june 2018, nadovic meetings - 2
Djokovic has really been historically lucky to meet nadal in his worst time period and establish a mental edge over him.
Whereas he himself failed to reach nadal in his own worst period.
Nadal is a way better player than Djokovic in h2h, slam history reflects that. And to everyone who's enjoying 2019 ao defeat of nadal at the hands of Djokovic, I tell you, 2017-2018-2018 every version of Djokovic would have received bagels and breadsticks if he had audacity to meet nadal.
But nope.
And some fans even claim him to be the goat or mightiest warrior and whatnot! Roflmao.... Warriors don't run away or retire from matches. And our beloved hero Djokovic has made a record about it. Career slam of retiring, running away from Nadal when he's in bad form and jumping all over him when the Spaniard is struggling
Dude Nadal got out of his slump in 2017 and he still can't beat Djokovic outside of clay to this day.Djokovic has really been historically lucky to meet nadal in his worst time period and establish a mental edge over him.
Whereas he himself failed to reach nadal in his own worst period.
Nadal is a way better player than Djokovic in h2h, slam history reflects that. And to everyone who's enjoying 2019 ao defeat of nadal at the hands of Djokovic, I tell you, 2017-2018-2018 every version of Djokovic would have received bagels and breadsticks if he had audacity to meet nadal.
But nope.
And some fans even claim him to be the goat or mightiest warrior and whatnot! Roflmao.... Warriors don't run away or retire from matches. And our beloved hero Djokovic has made a record about it. Career slam of retiring, running away from Nadal when he's in bad form and jumping all over him when the Spaniard is struggling
Here is the thread that summarizes their rivalry in past 9 years (22-10 in favor of Novak)
Too long for the worst period to last
Now that The Nadal has ditched the Cinci/USO It will be over seven years since he has taken one set vs Joe Kovic on the most played surface on the ATP Tour. No wonder he has such an itchy backside!
Djokovic deserves the H2H lead sadly. This does favour Djokovic in a massive way but they have played 4 more RG matches (only 15 was a lull Nadal) than at any other slam which balances it out.
With you .Exactly, it is all balanced out if you look at it from all ends. Djokovic rightfully leads the H2H.
Nadal's worst patch :- march 2015 - june 2016, Nadovic meetings - 7
Djokovic's worst patch :- January 2017 - june 2018, nadovic meetings - 2
Exactly, it is all balanced out if you look at it from all ends. Djokovic rightfully leads the H2H.
And Nadal rightly leads the Slam H2H, 9-6.
Which is more important. People think Wawrinka is Djokovic's kryptonite just because he's beaten him a few times at slams, when Djokovic pretty much owns him H2H outside of slams.The big matches are more important, and Nadal has 'em.
You and I have been over this already.
Yeah, Nadal is historically much better than Novak in "woulda" h2h. He also leads in "shoulda" and "coulda" categories. Some say Nadal won more than 30 woulda and coulda GS titles, that's impressive. I greatly respect those achievements.Djokovic has really been historically lucky to meet nadal in his worst time period and establish a mental edge over him.
Whereas he himself failed to reach nadal in his own worst period.
Nadal is a way better player than Djokovic in h2h, slam history reflects that. And to everyone who's enjoying 2019 ao defeat of nadal at the hands of Djokovic, I tell you, 2017-2018-2018 every version of Djokovic would have received bagels and breadsticks if he had audacity to meet nadal.
But nope.
And some fans even claim him to be the goat or mightiest warrior and whatnot! Roflmao.... Warriors don't run away or retire from matches. And our beloved hero Djokovic has made a record about it. Career slam of retiring, running away from Nadal when he's in bad form and jumping all over him when the Spaniard is struggling
wawa vs nole is 4-4 in GS matches and 6-19 overall.And Nadal rightly leads the Slam H2H, 9-6.
Which is more important. People think Wawrinka is Djokovic's kryptonite just because he's beaten him a few times at slams, when Djokovic pretty much owns him H2H outside of slams.The big matches are more important, and Nadal has 'em.
Nadal did run away from Fed in 2015 while feasting on a poor Fed in 2013-early 2014. So it's oy fair that Nadal gets to experience that with Djokovic.By the way this is the exact same argument Fed fans use when the Fedal H2H is brought up: Nadal running away from meetings with Fed off clay
Djokovic's worst period magically ends right before their 2018 Wimbledon match? Bery conbenient, no?
Also if we are going this route then we also have to dismiss a number of their earlier career meetings, since Nadal developed as a player faster than Djokovic
By the way this is the exact same argument Fed fans use when the Fedal H2H is brought up: Nadal running away from meetings with Fed off clay
Not the Wawrinka/Djokovic aspect, which really crystallises and contextualises just how much slam H2H matters than other tour match H2H stats. No one cares that Djokovic owns the overall H2H by a ridiculous degree against Stan (21-6 or something like that?). People just know that their slam H2H is 4-4 and Stan is a real bannana skin to Djokovic at slams. Which is why people talk about Stan as a "kryptonite" for a player who owns him in routine tour matches. Just a little bit more added context as to why 9-6 is the more important H2H stat. A stat I'll be surprised if Djokovic ever manages to even up or overturn.
wawa vs nole is 4-4 in GS matches and 6-19 overall.
rafas and noles h2h are massively clay misleading. 29 - 26, but 7-17 (44% of all matches) on cley. at the same time, there are only 4 of 14 (29%) most important tournaments on clay. their GS h2h is even more clay affected. 6-9 (4-4 in finals) of which 7 are RG matches (47%). so they had almost half matches at raffa's best slam, which is twice as many as expected. at the same time, only 2 matches (13%) have been played on nole's favorite slam, which is only half as expected.
so what if they had only played 2 RG matches and 7 AO matches?
Not a good excuse. His fans like to claim Djokovic is the "hardcourt GOAT" and a far superior hardcourt player to Nadal. If that is the case, he should never have lost 2 US Open finals to Rafa. Those were his big chances to keep the slam H2H nearly even on his preferred surface, and he blew it.
Rafa is just the better big match player, regardless of surface.
- All finals: Djokovic, 15–11
- Grand Slam finals: Tied, 4–4
- Tennis Masters Cup/ATP World Tour Finals finals: Djokovic, 1–0
- ATP Masters Series/ATP World Tour Masters 1000 finals: Djokovic, 7–6
2010 us open final and 2013 us open final is not remember for you ?LOL! People will convince themselves of anything if they want it hard enough. Djokovic beats Nadal on every surface but clay. Hence he leads. It is that simple really.