2021 Wimbledon Final: [1] Novak Djokovic SRB vs [7] Matteo Berrettini ITA

Who will win?

  • Djokovic 3-0

    Votes: 57 33.9%

  • Djokovic 3-1

    Votes: 57 33.9%

  • Djokovic 3-2

    Votes: 12 7.1%

  • Berrettini 3-2

    Votes: 15 8.9%

  • Berrettini 3-1

    Votes: 18 10.7%

  • Berrettini 3-0

    Votes: 9 5.4%

  • foobar

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    168
Carax

Carax

Hall of Fame
He'll make you think that he can't find his range, that somehow he lost his edge, and that his opponent has a chance this time. Then, he'll make you realize that, of course, it was all just a joke, that there's no way he'll lose a grand slam final against a "nextgen" player, and he'll crush the player on the other side of the net. Just like he always does when he faces one of them in big tournaments.

Djokovic in 3.
 
BGod

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Yeah when it comes to a final where Novak wasn't pressed throughout the tournament? Pretty sure it ends 3-0.

Exceptions of course would be 2016 USO and alike but we all know Stan ain't walking through that door.

Tsitsipas was 5 sets because Novak came back in a thriller against the King and Tsitsipas had good success on clay leading to the tournament. I sincerely doubt Mateo has any footing.

I'm calling 6-2, 7-5, 6-1.

6-2 will be double break not three with the second break coming to close out the set. The 6-1 will also be a double break and Mateo will just be dead mentally.
 
James P

James P

G.O.A.T.
Odd fact, but these are the two with the best records in Slams this season. Obviously, Novak is 20-0, goes without saying that he's got the best record, but Matteo actually has a 12-1 record this season over the three tournaments having withdrawn from the AO with an injury after making the 4th round.
 
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coupergear

Professional
Novak routines Berretini. 6-4, 7-5, 6-2.

This guy goes big, but Novak is bringing a lot heavier lumber than Hurc off of both wings, keeps everything deep, the Italian is not going to be able to hang with Novak from the baseline, and won't see as many opportunities to tee off. Shapo was playing lights out first set and still couldn't put a dent in Ultron.
 
joekapa

joekapa

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BeatlesFan said:
Uncle Toni mixed the deadly concoction and these two rogues spiked Novak's food. Three unrepentant devils.

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You Fed fans need Nadal to validate Fed somehow.

Like Rolex, Nadal picked the wrong horse.
 
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gameovais

Semi-Pro
I thought for large parts of this tournament Djokovic hasn't been returning to his usual high standards. In yesterday's SF I thought he has trouble reading El Shapo's serve and this must change tomorrow. Berrettini is not the first and won't be the last big serving and big hitting opponent Djokovic will face. He's been here and done it before. I don't expect Big Berrettini to collapse on crucial points like El Shapo.
 
hypercube

hypercube

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gameovais said:
I thought for large parts of this tournament Djokovic hasn't been returning to his usual high standards. In yesterday's SF I thought he has trouble reading El Shapo's serve and this must change tomorrow. Berrettini is not the first and won't be the last big serving and big hitting opponent Djokovic will face. He's been here and done it before. I don't expect Big Berrettini to collapse on crucial points like El Shapo.
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Even if that is true, he needs a better backhand to stay in rallies with Djokovic. How is he going to break?
 
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gameovais

Semi-Pro
hypercube said:
Even if that is true, he needs a better backhand to stay in rallies with Djokovic. How is he going to break?
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Does he need to? He could take it in 3 breakers. I'm not saying it'll happen. But Djokovic at 34, isn't as quick and flexible as he used to be. He'll need to improve his return and put on a clinic like he did in the 2018 final against Anderson. If he returns like he has this entire tournament he'll be under pressure. Yes Djokovic manages pressure better than almost any human can, but even he would prefer a smooth final as a pose to a match like yesterday vs Shapo.
 
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Milanez82

Hall of Fame
swordtennis said:
Denis should have been up 2-0 in sets.
But this is what Djokovic does
It felt a bit like The 2019 Final.
Gutted for Shapo.
Sad to see.
This final could be tricky.
Djokovic should gut it out once again.
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This reminded me of Federer Djoko final at UO07, though Djoko had better chances then and even had set points
 
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Vamos Rafa Nadal

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I am predicting Matteo Berrettini in 4 sets. I see this outcome as similar to Stan Wawrinka's wins against Djokovic in Grand Slam finals. I think Berrettini is the better grass court player this year. I think he is mentally able to play his game even with Djokovic being his opponent. Djokovic has not been playing his very best tennis this tournament and this has been true even though he hasn't had to play a single top ten player until the final. There were only a few players I felt could defeat Djokovic and Berrettini is one of them - Medvedev, Zverev, and Rublev were the other three. Berrettini needs to be careful with mental lapses but I believe he will be.

I am aware that Djokovic's fans believe he can walk on water and can't possibly lose but this isn't true. Of course he (Novak) could win, he could lift his game up in the final and it will be for me another disappointing outcome. But Berrettini CAN win, he has the tools to do it. I am looking for Berrettini to do just a little bit better on his first serve percentage tomorrow. He has to do exactly what Shapovalov did but not have the poor play on the big points, which was the difference in all 3 sets against Djokovic yesterday - each set came down to just a few poorly played points at the wrong times for Denis.

So a four set win for Matteo CAN happen. It could also be a Djokovic win tomorrow, of course. One thing I have noticed about Djokovic's losses is that they often happen when he becomes over-confident and arrogant, so it will be interesting to see if that happens tomorrow.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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gameovais said:
Does he need to? He could take it in 3 breakers. I'm not saying it'll happen. But Djokovic at 34, isn't as quick and flexible as he used to be. He'll need to improve his return and put on a clinic like he did in the 2018 final against Anderson. If he returns like he has this entire tournament he'll be under pressure. Yes Djokovic manages pressure better than almost any human can, but even he would prefer a smooth final as a pose to a match like yesterday vs Shapo.
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Berrettini will feel the pressure though of his first grand slam final. Once again experience is massively on the Serbs side which helps a lot. Djoko may not be at vintage return best but he’s capable of finding it. There were signs of it peaking occasionally against shaps but he will want to up that. Especially in the final match he tends to raise everything a bit more and throw his maximum out.

Berra will need to keep making the first serve because djoko is great at getting the ball back and getting a player embroiled in longer and more uncomfortable rallies. It’s mentally draining to play djoko when he’s in rock solid mode and like a wall. He makes opponents play that extra shot or more that they not used to doing against virtually anyone else.

It’s tough to keep serving at a high level in a grand slam over best of 5 set against an ATG like Djoko. Even Fed at a high level couldn’t do that in previous Wimbledon finals against Novak.

Berra will need his serve and FH clicking well consistently throughout the match to have a chance. Once djoko gets into the rally he will look to pepper the Italians weaker BH side and also exploit the Italians slower movement too.
 
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paolo2143

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Vamos Rafa Nadal said:
I am predicting Matteo Berrettini in 4 sets. I see this outcome as similar to Stan Wawrinka's wins against Djokovic in Grand Slam finals. I think Berrettini is the better grass court player this year. I think he is mentally able to play his game even with Djokovic being his opponent. Djokovic has not been playing his very best tennis this tournament and this has been true even though he hasn't had to play a single top ten player until the final. There were only a few players I felt could defeat Djokovic and Berrettini is one of them - Medvedev, Zverev, and Rublev were the other three. Berrettini needs to be careful with mental lapses but I believe he will be.

I am aware that Djokovic's fans believe he can walk on water and can't possibly lose but this isn't true. Of course he (Novak) could win, he could lift his game up in the final and it will be for me another disappointing outcome. But Berrettini CAN win, he has the tools to do it. I am looking for Berrettini to do just a little bit better on his first serve percentage tomorrow. He has to do exactly what Shapovalov did but not have the poor play on the big points, which was the difference in all 3 sets against Djokovic yesterday - each set came down to just a few poorly played points at the wrong times for Denis.

So a four set win for Matteo CAN happen. It could also be a Djokovic win tomorrow, of course. One thing I have noticed about Djokovic's losses is that they often happen when he becomes over-confident and arrogant, so it will be interesting to see if that happens tomorrow.
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That's funny because most Novak fans I know, including myself, don't think he can walk on water as you suggest.

Indeed a lot of us are expecting a really tough match tomorrow and if Berrettini plays and serves like S/F it will be really tough for Novak.

If it was to go to a 5th set I would really fancy Novak's chances as he is the most clutch player ever in that situation, but I am counting on nothing but a hard match
 
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paolo2143

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gameovais said:
Does he need to? He could take it in 3 breakers. I'm not saying it'll happen. But Djokovic at 34, isn't as quick and flexible as he used to be. He'll need to improve his return and put on a clinic like he did in the 2018 final against Anderson. If he returns like he has this entire tournament he'll be under pressure. Yes Djokovic manages pressure better than almost any human can, but even he would prefer a smooth final as a pose to a match like yesterday vs Shapo.
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I remember the Edberg v Stich SF in 1991 where Edberg never lost his serve in entire match but lost 4-6 7-6 7-6 7-6 , so yes Berrettini could win without having to break Novak. Anything is possible in sport
 
N01E

N01E

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Berrettini serve will most likely work better here than during RG, but with lower bounce Novak may deal with his fh better and it could help in bh rallies as well. I honestly think Zverev or Medvedev would have been much worse match-up for Djokovic here as their backhands simply hold up much better and even in the Hurkacz match that was a hole in Matteo's game. Big servers are always tricky, but I hope Novak ups his return game tommorow.
 
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maupp

maupp

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The only way Berrettini wins this is via being clutch in the tiebreakers and that would first require him not getting broken at all because Djokovic will be sailing on his service games for the most part.

This match will be an easier one than the Shapovalov one because unlike Shapo, Berrettini won't trouble Nole on his serve much which in turn will relax him more on return games.

I see people talking about Matteo big serve yet Shapo lost a set despite serving over 80% first serve in, and he also has got a big serve and tricky due to being a lefty.

It doesn't matter how good Matteo serve has been, he'll serve in some second serve and Nole will return some of his first serves and unlike Shapo who is solid on both wings, hitting with pace and power, Berrettini doesn't have that luxury. Nole will pin him to his BH side and will always be confident on winning the points once he makes a deep enough return.

Nole neutralizes big serve + big FH players combo and usually eat them for breakfast, I don't see that changing now.

If Berrettini could worry Nole on his own serve like Shapo did with an aggressive game from both wings then I could see a harder game then the SF but that's not the case. The easier Nole cruises on his own service games, the more relaxed he'll be on return games and dialled in. Not to mention he won't be dealing with a tricky, big lefty serve.

Again Shapo served over 80% first serve in a set and still wound up losing it. And with Shapo, even if games went into rallies there was still the chance of him winning those points which won't be the case with Matteo, at least not often.
 
maupp

maupp

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gameovais said:
Does he need to? He could take it in 3 breakers. I'm not saying it'll happen. But Djokovic at 34, isn't as quick and flexible as he used to be. He'll need to improve his return and put on a clinic like he did in the 2018 final against Anderson. If he returns like he has this entire tournament he'll be under pressure. Yes Djokovic manages pressure better than almost any human can, but even he would prefer a smooth final as a pose to a match like yesterday vs Shapo.
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The problem with that is even if Djokovic isn't in returning to his usually high standard, he could still muster one returning master class in 1 service game to win sets as shown against Shapovalov.

Like you mentioned, his returning was rather poor by his standard (though credit goes to Shapo who was serving well at a high percentage) but Djokovic still managed to press in some games to break.

Berrettini will have those games where he throws in a few too many second serves and Nole will be looking to pounce on them. Unless Matteo breaks which I personally don't see happening he won't make it to 3 tiebreakers.
 
Checkmate

Checkmate

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maupp said:
The only way Berrettini wins this is via being clutch in the tiebreakers and that would first require him not getting broken at all because Djokovic will be sailing on his service games for the most part.

This match will be an easier one than the Shapovalov one because unlike Shapo, Berrettini won't trouble Nole on his serve much which in turn will relax him more on return games.

I see people talking about Matteo big serve yet Shapo lost a set despite serving over 80% first serve in, and he also has got a big serve and tricky due to being a lefty.

It doesn't matter how good Matteo serve has been, he'll serve in some second serve and Nole will return some of his first serves and unlike Shapo who is solid on both wings, hitting with pace and power, Berrettini doesn't have that luxury. Nole will pin him to his BH side and will always be confident on winning the points once he makes a deep enough return.

Nole neutralizes big serve + big FH players combo and usually eat them for breakfast, I don't see that changing now.

If Berrettini could worry Nole on his own serve like Shapo did with an aggressive game from both wings then I could see a harder game then the SF but that's not the case. The easier Nole cruises on his own service games, the more relaxed he'll be on return games and dialled in. Not to mention he won't be dealing with a tricky, big lefty serve.

Again Shapo served over 80% first serve in a set and still wound up losing it. And with Shapo, even if games went into rallies there was still the chance of him winning those points which won't be the case with Matteo, at least not often.
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So to sum you up, it will be a lot like post peak Roger vs Peak Novak / Post Prime Novak..

Novak will target Betreeeini's BH and attack on his second serve, while being cautious of Mattheiuu's FH and plus one firepower.
 
maupp

maupp

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Checkmate said:
So to sum you up, it will be a lot like post peak Roger vs Peak Novak / Post Prime Novak..

Novak will target Betreeeini's BH and attack on his second serve, while being cautious of Mattheiuu's FH and plus one firepower.
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No Federer even in his thirties still had groundstrokes to hang with Novak albeit still losing most of the longer rallies but he still had groundstrokes games to force Djokovic to go consistently deep and try to move him around and not just rely on attacking his BH. Not to mention Roger could still mix up his game with net plays.

With Matteo Nole could simply chose to make him camp on his BH side and rely on that strategy without the need to go consistently deep thus reducing the risks.

Not to mention, as good as Berrettini's FH is, he's still not a great mover and Nole can afford to go to his FH while he's on the move.
 
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Rina

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Berrettini has trouble with his movement on the court, no? A bit slow due to his height and weight? Or did I watch the wrong points?
If I am right, and Djokovic feels ok tomorrow, this will open a lot of opportunities for Novak to move Berrettini around. Strong serve, crosscourt twice, and finish the point.
I think I might be right, just watched against Felix, Berrettini doesn't have good court coverage. Well, not good enough if Novak 2.0 shows up.
 
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Rina

Hall of Fame
maupp said:
No Federer even in his thirties still had groundstrokes to hang with Novak albeit still losing most of the longer rallies but he still had groundstrokes games to force Djokovic to go consistently deep and try to move him around and not just rely on attacking his BH. Not to mention Roger could still mix up his game with net plays.

With Matteo Nole could simply chose to make him camp on his BH side and rely on that strategy without the need to go consistently deep thus reducing the risks.

Not to mention, as good as Berrettini's FH is, he's still not a great mover and Nole can afford to go to his FH while he's on the move.
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Eh, I just posted something similar. I never watched Berrettini play so watched some now. Not a good mover at all.
 
swordtennis

swordtennis

G.O.A.T.
The Italian Football team will be firing him up.
Berretini has improved his movement.
Never will be a greyhound.
He must keep it simple.
Do not be a dope and come running in and around flailing like ole mythical Arod
 
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Waves

Semi-Pro
Djokovic in 3…fast,clean, to the bone…berry’s calves emblematic of the times…

Though Novak seems to have a deep empathy for others…ok Berretini gets 4 games.
 
EllieK

EllieK

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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
It’s obvious you hate Novak for some reason. That’s very sad. Just enjoy the final and tennis.
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I don’t hate Djokovic. I truly admire the level of his tennis even if I much prefer Federer and Nadal. Don’t we all have our favourite players? Your user name tells us who yours is. I honestly believe that if he wins Wimbledon the CYGS, while not a lock, becomes a distinct possibility. Yes, I’m rooting for Matteo. In saying what I said Djoker vs Choker, that’s hardly a slap to Djokovic but instead acknowledges that Berrettini will have to bring his A game and can’t afford a loss of concentration or any kind of a choke. Really any weakness at all and Novak will wipe the court with him, just as he did yesterday against Denis who outplayed him for a good part of the match.
 
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Pandaman

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EllieK said:
I don’t hate Djokovic. I truly admire the level of his tennis even if I much prefer Federer and Nadal. Don’t we all have our favourite players? Your user name tells us who yours is. I honestly believe that if he wins Wimbledon the CYGS, while not a lock, becomes a distinct possibility. Yes, I’m rooting for Matteo. In saying what I said Djoker vs Choker, that’s hardly a slap to Djokovic but instead acknowledges that Berrettini will have to bring his A game and can’t afford a loss of concentration or any kind of a choke. Really any weakness at all and Novak will wipe the court with him, just as he did yesterday against Denis who outplayed him for a good part of the match.
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@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 is the most cautious and unassuming Novak fan here, even overrating lesser opponents most of the time. If he says you're a hater, you know you are and probably far worse.

Go contradict yourself in a Fedal thread.
 
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Pandaman

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joekapa said:
I think it will be easier than most think. The real challenge was yesterday against Shapo.
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I hate making excuses, but Novak low key mentioning the wind being an issue in the 3R - QFs and telling Serbian reporters he had stomach issues for this one gives me hope we'll see the aggressive Novak of past Wimbledons, RG, and vs Anderson in 2R against Bear.
 
joekapa

joekapa

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Pandaman said:
I hate making excuses, but Novak low key mentioning the wind being an issue in the 3R - QFs and telling Serbian reporters he had stomach issues for this one gives me hope we'll see the aggressive Novak of past Wimbledons, RG, and vs Anderson in 2R against Bear.
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Will it be windy tommorrow?
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Bionic Poster
EllieK said:
I don’t hate Djokovic. I truly admire the level of his tennis even if I much prefer Federer and Nadal. Don’t we all have our favourite players? Your user name tells us who yours is. I honestly believe that if he wins Wimbledon the CYGS, while not a lock, becomes a distinct possibility. Yes, I’m rooting for Matteo. In saying what I said Djoker vs Choker, that’s hardly a slap to Djokovic but instead acknowledges that Berrettini will have to bring his A game and can’t afford a loss of concentration or any kind of a choke. Really any weakness at all and Novak will wipe the court with him, just as he did yesterday against Denis who outplayed him for a good part of the match.
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Fair enough. That’s a fair post. Like I said may the best man win on the day. Respect!

Yeah all the big 3 are legends in their own right. Djoko is my favourite but I recognise the greatness of all 3. Tennis has been truly blessed by what we seen over the past 15-20 years.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1

Djokovic_is_the_best#1

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swordtennis said:
Djokovic is prob the best of the big 3 when he does not have his offense game working he can switch to his defense game
Love to see a AO 16 type Nole' out there tomorrow.
Prob be a struggle again tho.
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True point. The thing with djoko is he can play in different ways. Depending on the opponent and how the match is going he can adapt his style.

He’s the ultimate grand chess master out there. Hopefully he’s did his homework for this one because Berrettini is red hot right now. He’s in the best form of his career and very comfortable on the grass.

I like the Italians game and he’s got a great personality too. Djoko and Matteo will both be nervous for different reasons. The Italians first final and djoko going for more history and records. Will come down to which player can be mentally tougher in the key moments because I feel all sets will be close. May the best man win.
 
MrFlip

MrFlip

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Djokovic already won because Matteo will get nervous and spray balls everywhere

Women's final be better quality this Wimbledon
 
EllieK

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Pandaman said:
@Djokovic_is_the_best#1 is the most cautious and unassuming Novak fan here, even overrating lesser opponents most of the time. If he says you're a hater, you know you are and probably far worse.

Go contradict yourself in a Fedal thread.
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My reply to this post. Is this being a hater?

Novak Djokovic : Roger Federer should have played a match on No. 1 court

The world No. 1 thinks the decision may have been taken due to the uncertainty over whether Federer will return to play at Wimbledon next year. Eight-time champion Federer played all five of his matches at this year’s Championships on Centre Court – and was defeated by Hubert Hurkacz in the last...
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