U.S. Open 2015 R4 - Kevin Anderson - Andy Murray

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Who wins?

  • Kevin

    Votes: 20 58.8%
  • Andy

    Votes: 14 41.2%

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The_18th_Slam

Hall of Fame
I'm satisfied with Rafa being at 14. With the way he's playing, he deserves to stay at 14. No one playing as poorly as he is deserves a grand slam or even a title. Plus, I've still got Nole to root for. :D:p

And I don't care if neither Nole nor Rafa make it to 17. I already accept that Roger is the GOAT. I've been of that view since 2010 - when Rafa was completing the career slam and looked like he could catch Roger. So....:p
I'm very satisfied with 17, too. But I'm human, so I'm greedy :D
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
Murray has been playing like a pusher all the time, giving the targets to Anderson, who, surprisingly, didn't choke (like he used to during his whole career). Instead, he has been blowing him off the court with his serve and the forehand.

Story of Murray's career continues in US Open. I wouldn't say, he intentionally pushes or gives targets to hit. These days, he plays fairly offensive Tennis but still he hasn't got tools to impose his game over orthodox super offensive players like Federer, Wawrinka, Anderson and even against Dimitrov. He certainly can impose his offense over defensive player (Djokovic like we have seen numerous times this season) and against unorthodox offensive players Kyrgios or Tsonga but he can't do the same against guys having great serve, offensive footwork and great orthodox forehand technique. He can just wait for destruction coming to end, if these guys are zoning and nothing more. Offense has remained inherent weakness of his game for several reasons. WTA serve, average forehand and virtually nonexistent offensive footwork are few, I can name on top off my head. No coach could change that. This is why I keep saying, Federer will GOATing and destroying him till his mid forties since Murray allows him to do so. Same can't be said for Djokovic.
 
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Slice'n'dice

Hall of Fame
Clutch play by anderson there. Now That puts Novak's Wimbledon win into perspective.

Anderson can be a tough tough customer. I doubt anyone other than Fed can defeat him comfortably.

Fed has the knack to handling big servers with ease. Novak and Murray should learn a thing or two from him.

Murray usually does, in general he's usually the best at it these days. Federer hasn't been handling big servers with ease for a while. He used to be great at it, but not any more.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Anderson gives Murray a Bread stick, tie breaker 7-0

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3Fees :)
I hate to break it to you 3Fees, but that was a bagel. 7-1 would be french fry or breadstick. Close but no cigar on that one.
 
I agree with everyone that Anderson deserved it - he took the match. Plus he seems like a very cool character. And, his success is overdue.
Now having said all that, I am bummed about Murray being out of the Open. All his chaotic ranting aside, he has a beautiful game. Forget the pushing comments, I'm talking about his strokes, the athleticism, balance, the net skills and variety. Very smooth. I could watch it all day. Anderson, though, good grief is he awkward to watch.
And, regarding fitness, I've never had to endure the sight of Murray watching a makeable shot go by (to conserve energy for the next, serve-bot game). I just don't like watching the giants play - nothing against them personally, or their work ethic and heart - they deserve to be here too. Granted, Anderson moves pretty well for his height, but... meh.
I do hope he makes a good showing in the quarters though - because he does have a big (if ungainly) game and even though he's mild mannered i get the sense he's not a tortured tennis player - i.e. he loves the game. All that aside, though, I've got my hopes up for Wawa and Fed ...
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Nah. He's definitely got a lisp. His South African accent is not even noticeable. I would know, one of my teacher in secondary school was South African (Afrikaans).
Spent 6 weeks there over various trips, but your British South African accent maybe is lisp like. Afrikans is your other SA accent.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Yeah. But not sure after this KA is going to have much for Stan.
Temps should be a bit lower and that will help Wawa marginally (slower ball speed). Definite afternoon match and I think Wawa will be toast. He will not break KA easily. Wawrinka's inconsistency combined with KA's hot returning would make this a KO for KA, once again.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
If Anderson recovers from today's match (4h19m which is pretty long) he's got a good shot at Wawrinka. I wouldn't count on it. Mentally he's probably maxed out for the tournament.
Wawrinka has no chance. One break in each set and he will be toast. Anderson played marginally tonight compared to last two weeks. The last tiebreaker shows the real Anderson.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
This is why we need faster courts! Bet Anderson wouldn't able to hit through Murray's defense for four sets on Plexicusion. He could have done it on grass though.

This outcome makes Djokovic's Wimbledon win look even more impressive.
You are saying Anderson would do worse on faster courts???????
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Murray has a beautiful game. Forget the pushing comments, I'm talking about his strokes, the athleticism, balance, the net skills and variety. Very smooth. I could watch it all day.

I have read thousands of articles about Murray over the past 9 years and I have never heard his game described EVER as "beautiful" or "smooth."

But to each his own. :)
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
In comparison to those two Federer would be able to handle Anderson fairly well because Federer actually attacks right from the word GO. Djokovic and Murray are content to rally all day until they realize they're in deep **** and actually have to put something on their shots.
Agreed. T Fed is a big, big server so he will benefit in hot weather and should be able to hang with Anderson under any circumstances. KA has more than he showed tonight, but I think Fed will pull though in TBs and other key points.
 
I have read thousands of articles about Murray over the past 9 years and I have never heard his game described EVER as "beautiful" or "smooth."

But to each his own. :)

Ignore the wincing mug, the dubious haircuts, the tirades. He's Effortless, especially the backhand. Watch highlights of his 2013 AO match against Federer - the best.
Or, compare how Andy handles the wind in the 2012 US Open vs the Djoker - to me it's clear who is more graceful and smooth. I didn't say anything about being better - just a style thing, and I agree there's a fair amount of subjectivity in my comments... to each their own.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
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Relax. Listen, Federer is never going to win that 18th slam regardless of how easy or difficult of a draw he gets in grand slams. The sooner you accept that the better. :D
With new enclosure (and/or high temps) the USO is becoming a Servebot paradise. T Fed will roar again. If Wawa somehow is not KO'd by KA, he might stop Jurassic Park. Djoker vs. Fed will really be something, but depending on weather very likely Jurrasic domination.
 
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Story of Murray's career continues in US Open. I wouldn't say, he intentionally pushes or gives targets to hit. These days, he plays fairly offensive Tennis but still he hasn't got tools to impose his game over orthodox super offensive players like Federer, Wawrinka, Anderson and even against Dimitrov. He certainly can impose his offense over defensive player (Djokovic like we have seen numerous times this season) and against unorthodox offensive players Kyrgios or Tsonga but he can't do the same against guys having great serve, offensive footwork and great orthodox forehand technique. He can just wait for destruction coming to end, if these guys are zoning and nothing more. Offense has remained inherent weakness of his game for several reasons. WTA serve, average forehand and virtually nonexistent offensive footwork are few, I can name on top off my head. No coach could change that. This is why I keep saying, Federer will GOATing and destroying him till his mid forties since Murray allows him to do so. Same can't be said for Djokovic.
I think this is crucial when it comes to Murray. He simply doesn't have a weapon that can change the outcome of an rally/point (big and consistent serve, big forehand etc), so he has to rely on his defense and to hope that his opponent misses. But that's simply not enough against some of the guys who can actually hit through him or can out-grind him.
And it's a common myth that Murray loses the biggest matches against the big guys because they are mentally stronger. The truth is that he lacks of weapon to beat them constantly.
 
With new enclosure (and/or high temps) the USO is becoming a Servebot paradise. T Fed will roar again. If Wawa somehow is not KO'd by KA, he might stop Jurassic Park. Djoker vs. Fed will really be something, but depending on weather very likely Jurrasic domination.
We'll see, won't we?
 
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Anderson got confidence from conquering a similar type player (Hewitt) earlier in the year.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Something like this:
BG: Come on, show some emotion! Show us that you've won the 4th round!!! You don't show anything!
KA:Well i did show some emotion after that important point in the fourth se...
BG: *points at Kevin's chest* IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE!?!?!?!

It was very awkward for Kevin, who really handled it pretty well. I would've probably shown some signs of irritation, even if I tried my best to play along. He basically forced Kevin to cheer and jump up and down, which Kevin did. And then at the end of the interview he told Kevin to roar loudly but Kevin just laughed it off and walked away.
BG trying to get some personality out of Sir Serve Bot. BG screwed the pooch trying to get KA to roar. KA is pretty personable given his on court demeanor. If you want to be the best, you also need to enjoy being the best and that means putting on a show in your interview. BG just trying to help KA bring on the personality.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I don't know if we can read too much into the H2H between Anderson and Wawrinka now it is a GS quarter final, different pressure and different format (best of 5) + Anderson played over 4 hours today...I think Wawrinka will win
A wise observation, but the Serve Bot did not look gassed. If Wawa gifts some breaks he will be in serious trouble.
 

Rjtennis

Hall of Fame
I don't know if we can read too much into the H2H between Anderson and Wawrinka now it is a GS quarter final, different pressure and different format (best of 5) + Anderson played over 4 hours today...I think Wawrinka will win

Completely agree but Wawrinka's form hasn't been that impressive thus far...super up and down. Stan definitely goes in as the fave, but KA has a great shot to make a semi with how he's been playing.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Just got a whole lot easier for Fed. Crap!!!
Dude, Federer has won the last 5 matches in a row against Murray winning 10 sets in a row (Nadal as never even done that against his pigeon Federer) and 13 of the last 14 sets, that one set he even served for and Murray ended up winning on a tiebreak. In the last 3 matches Murray hasn't even broken Federer and this includes a 6-0 6-1 beatdown that even Murray fans said should have been a double bagel but Federer felt bad for Murray and a win at Wimbledon - both matches in the UK so effectively Murray's home crowd. PLus Murray has not exactly been looking good in this tournament anyway, 2 sets to0 down vs Mannarino and Anderson.... I worry more aout Isner, Anderson and Berdych. Isner and nderson could get Federer on tiebreaks.
 
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Sentinel

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I worry more aout Isner, Anderson and Berdych. Isner and nderson could get Federer on tiebreaks.
Agree with you. Kevin will probably be a tougher deal, than Murray, Fed knows Murray much better.

However, it's sad for Murray. Thought he had come back from his back issues, and that this court would suit him.
Not to detract from Nole, but he gets a free ride with no opposition from #2 and #3 :D
 
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Nathaniel_Near

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So, did anyone tally the amount of f***s that Murray gave? He cares very much about tennis.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Agree with you. Kevin will probably be a tougher deal, than Murray, Fed knows Murray much better.

Federer has just routined Isner in straights so Anderson will be no problem. The big difference between Federer and Murray is that Federer serves much better and is therefore much better at protecting it. Murray has just paid the price yet again for failing to protect his serve against a big-hitting opponent!

However, it's sad for Murray.

It is sad because it has broken an 18 match streak of reaching the quarter-finals at every Slam. The last time he failed to make the quarters of a Slam was at the US Open back in 2010 (lost to Wawrinka in Round 3).

Thought he had come back from his back issues, and that this court would suit him.:D

As I've said before, he has not been playing well since he won Montreal. He was dreadful in Cincinnati (although he scraped through to the semis) and I had an awful feeling he was going to fall short in New York, although I hoped he would play himself into form somehow. IMO he has run out of gas. He has played too much this season (more than any other top player) and it finally showed when he ran into someone like Anderson who is in white hot form.

Still, he went down fighting. 4 hours and 18 minutes is quite remarkable for a 4 setter and I believe someone said it is the longest match ever played in the early rounds of the US Open (correct me if I'm wrong). Don't anyone ever dare to tell me Murray isn't a fighter!
 
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