The issue I find with this is, i'm someone who the majority of the forum will think only supports Williams because I defend her til the moon and back. But I didn't expect her to win this final, I didn't tip her to win this Wimbledon and I tell my friends that Serena isn't the perfect angel they think she is. But people on this forum from Onyx to Vapordude to mr feeny etc etc call Serena a whale, an elephant, a ***** and much, much worse. That's where my issue comes in. You mention the Pro Williams fanatics but the thing is, what we say aren't anything like what the anti Williams fanatics say. You can say Serena has a lack of movement and that she hasn't played enough warm up events and you can say her weight is maybe questionable, that's perfectly fine, but to call her an elephant? To say she's morbidly obese? No. That's where the issue comes in.