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They may pull the plug depending on how Asia goes, but I doubt they will do it before then.
Djokovic v Nadal - Race to YE#1 2018
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They may pull the plug depending on how Asia goes, but I doubt they will do it before then.
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If Nadal hold Djokovic off, he deserves it. Tennis more than just the slams.
dr325i
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with 6500 points?? naaahhh...
He used to have 16,000 when he was a true #1
dr325i
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agreed
If Rafa excels in winter season, maybe.
S'in-net
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Nadal was #1 after USO 13 though(hope that's right)
And Novak had to trail him hard. Sweeped the whole indoor season and still ended up #2.
Right now it's still Novak trailing.
Looks closer to a Murray 2016 situation, even if Murray played well 1st half of 2016, while Novak was bad in 2018.
In 2013, Beijing/Shanghai/Paris/WTF, Novak went W/W/W/W but Nadal held him off with RU/Semis/Semis/RU
Even losing twice to Novak but the consistency was enough to stay No. 1
This time, likely Nadal misses tourneys or that level of consistency, so it's over to Novak to run this out -- even just with consistency let alone Wins
mike danny
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By my calculations, if Novak wins Beijing and Shanghai and Rafa reaches the finals at both, then the point tally will be:
Nadal: 8560
Djokovic: 7945
Then, if they both reach QF in Paris, he final tally will be:
Nadal: 8560
Djokovic: 8125
Now if Novak wins the WTF and Nadal reaches the final, both without losing a single match, the final tally is:
Nadal: 9560
Djokovic: 9625
Novak can leapfrog Rafa as long as he wins Beijing, Shanghai and WTF, evenif Rafa reaches the finals of all 3. In that case, he has to hope they both reach QF and Nadal doesn't do better. He also has to hope that Rafa doesn't play Basel or another 500 after the Asian swing.
And that's being generous to Rafa, because I don't see him defending last year's points. But even so, Novak needs to go on a winning spree. Can he do it? Yes he can.
Nadal: 8560
Djokovic: 7945
Then, if they both reach QF in Paris, he final tally will be:
Nadal: 8560
Djokovic: 8125
Now if Novak wins the WTF and Nadal reaches the final, both without losing a single match, the final tally is:
Nadal: 9560
Djokovic: 9625
Novak can leapfrog Rafa as long as he wins Beijing, Shanghai and WTF, evenif Rafa reaches the finals of all 3. In that case, he has to hope they both reach QF and Nadal doesn't do better. He also has to hope that Rafa doesn't play Basel or another 500 after the Asian swing.
And that's being generous to Rafa, because I don't see him defending last year's points. But even so, Novak needs to go on a winning spree. Can he do it? Yes he can.
Im(moral) Winner
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@mike danny RAFA is scheduled to play to Vienna for now.
mike danny
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Thanks forthe info
He was scheduled to play Basel last year too and he didn't go there anymore.
It depends on how he does in Beijing and Shanghai.
Plus, it's still an indoor tournament. You have to favor the competition over Rafa in these conditions.
Im(moral) Winner
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Out of the remaining tournaments he's only won Beijing twiceThanks forthe info
He was scheduled to play Basel last year too and he didn't go there anymore.
It depends on how he does in Beijing and Shanghai.
Plus, it's still an indoor tournament. You have to favor the competition over Rafa in these conditions.
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Djokovic is the true #1 anyway.
Djokovic has 2 slams to Federer and Nadal’s 1. De facto #1.
Djokovic has 2 slams to Federer and Nadal’s 1. De facto #1.
Fabresque
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Even if he doesn’t end the year #1 (It would be a robbery considering he’s the only two slam winner this year), Djokovic would probably reclaim #1 before the clay court season. No points to defend from Indian Wells and Miami, 4R points at the Aussie Open. No points to defend in Barcelona, low points to defend in Monte Carlo and Madrid, SF in Rome and QF in French Open.
I think we can all agree Federer is done as of now. He’s got a lot to defend in the really early of the new season, defending the Aussie Open and a 500 in Rotterdam.
I think we can all agree Federer is done as of now. He’s got a lot to defend in the really early of the new season, defending the Aussie Open and a 500 in Rotterdam.
irishnadalfan1983
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Any link? Couldn't see anything on the website...
mtincoronel76
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Now I get it!! Rafa 1035 points ahead Nole. 4000 points remains. Rafa injured. Nole in prime form.
Thank you for that as I’m suffering a post Us Open hangover and feel season is over but you clearly think otherwise. At least someone does as way media report the game it’s like only 4 events matter.
As for the race...I’d rather be in Nadals position as he has a head start. On the flip side Djokovic usually does better at this stage of season.
Is Nadal playing Beijing and Shanghai or is he out for definite?
Djokovic probably needs to win 2 tournaments assuming Nadal plays the fall .
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Djokovic has a decent shot but I don't think Nadal will be catastrophic for the rest of the year.
Would be pretty amazing if they settled it in the WTF final, with Djokovic victorious this time unlike in 2016.
Would be pretty amazing if they settled it in the WTF final, with Djokovic victorious this time unlike in 2016.
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The season is far from over and the race is hotting up now. These next few months will be exciting, both Nadal and Djokovic are looking to equal Federer in year end number ones, but only one can do it.
Nadal is in a better position. He is scheduled to return to defend Beijing, but Djokovic might not go due to Laver Cup. Both should be in Shanghai as it stands right now. History on the line for both.
The Laver Cup! Not needed in an already overloaded calendar. Novak should pull out really . Might only be a weekend of tennis but travelling to Chicago and prepping....I just don’t see the point.
Couldn’t understand Rafa playing it last yearas I knew he would end up getting injured.
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Nadal played it last year as a way of thanking Federer for coming to the opening of his academy.
I think Djokovic wanted to play it, because he enjoyed watching it the last time and wanted to be a part of if. Even if only once, also creates the dream team of Federer and Djokovic standing side by side. This is the only place where they can fight on the same side.
kevaninho
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It’s the most important thing, no?Yes cos tennis is only about the slams
Yes it’s Federer baby isn’t it. It has potential but I think they need to think about where they have it in the calendar.there is a massive gap between AO and FO especially in February early March where not much happens I wonder whether they could have it then?
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A lot of the top players, Federer included have training blocks in Feburary, because when March comes, its all systems go all the way from IW to USO. They need that period post AO to regroup and prepare.
It can only happen, post USO, and you don't want it to close to WTF and Davis Cup final, so September is best time.
mike danny
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They are the biggest tournaments. They separate the great players from the Zverevs.Yes cos tennis is only about the slams
MichaelNadal
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Basically Djokovic has to win everything. Props if he does but I don't see it.
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Pheasant
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One thing that could mess Djoker for the race to #1 is that he'd likely meet Federer in the semis at Shanghai, along with being on the same side of the bracket at the WTF. Now granted, Djoker would be the favorite. But Fed could zone and be dangerous for Djoker. If Fed snags one of these victories, it could spell trouble for Djoker in his quest for #1.
I'm looking forward to watching these tournaments to see whether or not Nadal can hold off peaking Djoker. Either way, Djoker and Nadal have the top two spots wrapped up.
I'm looking forward to watching these tournaments to see whether or not Nadal can hold off peaking Djoker. Either way, Djoker and Nadal have the top two spots wrapped up.
MichaelNadal
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Honestly, Federer is probably done zoning.....
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
But that's only if Nadal also wins everything (except beating Djoker)
If Nadal skips a couple of these tournaments, it suddenly becomes a lot easier for Djokovic
Right this second I think Nadal has an 80-85% chance of ending up YE #1, but this is obviously subject to change depending on how the coming weeks pan out
mike danny
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If Nadal does well in Beijing and Shanghai and he also wins Vienna, Novak is screwed.
Pheasant
Legend
You are probably right. But imagine if Fed somehow dumped Djoker in the semis, then lost to Nadal in the final. This scenario isn't impossible and would likely allow Nadal to get to #1. Or imagine a zoning Thiem beating Djoker at the WTF, then Federer goes for broke and gets lucky against Djoker at the WTF.
After watching Thiem at the USO, I think that he might be a factor as well. We shall see.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Indeed. But Fed would also be screwed so I don't mind
I didn't expect Djokovic to even contend for YE #1
mike danny
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MichaelNadal
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RS
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People are writing Federer off it is shocking. He still has a chance. Shanghai,Basel and WTF has been faster in the last 2 years all play medium-fast so they suit Federer. Djokovic will likely play Federer in Shanghai or WTF and maybe more than once and Federer has a chance of beating him in these conditions.
I think it is still on between Nadal,Djokovic and Federer. I make Djokovic the slight favourite due to current form.
I think it is still on between Nadal,Djokovic and Federer. I make Djokovic the slight favourite due to current form.
uscwang
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I think the Laver Cup decision was made before WB. 2 GS and Cincy later, it doesn't seem a good idea for Novak anymore. He should ask Murray or Stan to take his place.
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Djokovic likely missing out Beijing, whereas Nadal looks potentially like going there to defend the title is going to make Nadal very difficult to catch. If Nadal goes deep in a couple of events, he will deny Djokovic the coveted year end number one.
Remember, Nadal has never done back to back YE number ones, so this is a milestone for him.
Remember, Nadal has never done back to back YE number ones, so this is a milestone for him.
NoleFam
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Not necessarily. Nadal is defending 500 points in Beijing and 600 in Shanghai. That's basically 1100 points that have to come off and he has to defend. I think he is still in doubt for both tournaments with his injury.
Northern
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Wait a second... I think it was Nadal the one that retired due to injury.
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Its gonna be Nadal 1 and Djokovic 2.
Anyone guess how many slam final they will contest next year?
I say 2
Anyone guess how many slam final they will contest next year?
I say 2
Northern
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It's irrelevant how many points he drops. We are looking at the race points.
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