Nadal has the easiest draw yet again at a grand slam

[Im(moral) Winner]

Is it tougher than a 35 year old Agassi playing 3 five setters in a row with no break between Saturday and Sunday?

All those matches were under 3 hours and he still gave a tougher match than delmug did in his last two against RAFA.

 

[Xavier G]

Let's be fair about it, both Roger and Rafa have strolled into the quarter finals. They haven't been pushed at all and it's been too comfortable. I hope their next matches are a little more demanding.

 

[metsman]

So far we have no reason to think that. Did I say one has an easier draw than the other? No, but Nadal’s opponents are clearly tougher on paper.

and what does that matter?

 

[metsman]

All those matches were under 3 hours and he still gave a tougher match than delmug did in his last two against RAFA.

and Fed played the 2nd semi. Agassi still ran out of gas but it wasn't Delpo's typical 1 set then run for the showers display in majors.

 

[Standaa]

and what does that matter?

I’m pretty sure it’d matter to you if the draws were reversed

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

and Fed played the 2nd semi. Agassi still ran out of gas but it wasn't Delpo's typical 1 set then run for the showers display in majors.

Hell, at the time Andre was more of a recent GS champion than Delpo currently is.

 

[metsman]

I’m pretty sure it’d matter to you if the draws were reversed

Delpo on grass? Probably not. And again, it all comes down to how they all play.

 

[Standaa]

Delpo on grass? Probably not. And again, it all comes down to how they all play.

Djoko in SF? Don’t kid yourself

 

[metsman]

Djoko in SF? Don’t kid yourself

yeah and Fed originally had Cilic, keep up bud

 

[Slightly D1]

Nadal has it SO easy with a potential faceoff of Del Potro and Djokovic. Nothing compared to 2017 USO finalist Kevin Anderson and Milos Raonic!!! Clown post.

Everybody knows that if Nadal and Fed were to switch their half’s of the draw these posts would still be posted. Perhaps with even more bitterness.

 

[Standaa]

yeah and Fed originally had Cilic, keep up bud

Yeah we’ll see in 2 days. Then you can imagine that the draw is Federer’s and maybe you’ll understand why draws matter.

 

[zagor]

Nadal has it SO easy with a potential faceoff of Del Potro and Djokovic. Nothing compared to 2017 USO finalist Kevin Anderson and Milos Raonic!!! Clown post.

Everybody knows that if Nadal and Fed were to switch their half’s of the draw these posts would still be posted. Perhaps with even more bitterness.

Think Delpo will be very routine for Nadal (though it likely wouldn't be the same for Fed). Now Novak on the other hand, that SF match could be hairy, definitely. Nadal does have a tougher potential semi this time.

 

[-NN-]

Think Delpo will be very routine for Nadal (though it likely wouldn't be the same for Fed). Now Novak on the other hand, that SF match could be hairy, definitely. Nadal does have a tougher potential semi this time.

Djokovic plays Nadal in the Wimbledon 2018 semifinal. Who wins?

 

[zagor]

Djokovic plays Nadal in the Wimbledon 2018 semifinal. Who wins?

I'd go with Novak in 4.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic plays Nadal in the Wimbledon 2018 semifinal. Who wins?

Hard to say. Will be in a cracker. I go with Nadal at the moment though. Will be close!

 

[-NN-]

I'd go with Novak in 4.

I'll take Nadal in 5 only under the assumption that Djokovic still has an extra 3% to tap into along with Nadal's career rolling nicely in general over the last couple of years, including wins over Djokovic. Certainly gonna be the most anticipated match for me since the AO 2017 final should it happen.

 

[zagor]

I'll take Nadal in 5 only under the assumption that Djokovic still has an extra 3% to tap into along with Nadal's career rolling nicely in general over the last couple of years, including wins over Djokovic. Certainly gonna be the most anticipated match for me since the AO 2017 final should it happen.

The "real" final. The winner might stall have to beat up a Swiss pensioner in the final but that should be a formality at that point.

 

[-NN-]

The "real" final. The winner might stall have to beat up a Swiss pensioner in the final but that should be a formality at that point.

Anderson-Nadal final.

Imagine the outrage.

 

[zagor]

Anderson-Nadal final.

Imagine the outrage.

Let's hope not for the sake of tennis and all that is holy.

He's not playing a fellow titan of the game Carreno Busta for the final this time though so the odds are not in his favour.

 

[metsman]

Yeah we’ll see in 2 days. Then you can imagine that the draw is Federer’s and maybe you’ll understand why draws matter.

When did I say draws didn't matter? Just that you can't judge how tough an opponent was or will be by his name alone. Should be pretty obvious for most, sorry that you struggle with a concept this basic.

 

[Standaa]

When did I say draws didn't matter? Just that you can't judge how tough an opponent was or will be by his name alone. Should be pretty obvious for most, sorry that you struggle with a concept this basic.

When did I judge how difficult this or that opponent will actually be in the SF? I said one is tougher on paper, that should be pretty obvious for most. And yes, you as a Fed fan would want Raonic/Isner more than Djokovic for exactly this reason.

 

[Incognito]

So Anderson is now a big server/hitter who’s dangerous?

Only when he is in Fraud’s draw

 

[MugOpponent]

yeah and Fed originally had Cilic, keep up bud

Funny how this logic eludes Fed fans when talking about US 2017. Then it matters who Nadal actually played instead of the hypothetical.

Of course for Roger it's a double standard when analyzing. I could only imagine what the Fedarlings would say if their draw was Del Potro, Djokovic, and Nadal and if Nadal had this cakewalk with Kevin Anderson, Isner/Raonic.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Fed and Nadal both have a very easy path to the final.

It’s clear that the Wimbledon organisers desperately want Federer vs Nadal IV.

ReMeMbEr WiMbLeDoN 2008? gReAtesT mAtch oF aLl TiMe.

Novak has the easiest draw maybe?

But scheduling favour Fedal.

 

[AceSalvo]

Poor Delpo.

Have to play another day which could go to 5 sets. Then do the standard "rolling over" for his favorite opponent. So predictable this guy.

This is ending up as a super tough route for Nadal.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I'm just happy that Nadal and Djokovic are in the same half off clay for once in their careers.

 

[merlinpinpin]

An objective observer could argue Fed had absolutey no worthy competition during his most productive 2003-2007 period, even baby Dull caused him grave problems.

I mean Hewitt/Roddick/Nalbandian lol, as much as i worship my idol thats just not a good competition.

You forgot to say that you're a Federer fan, to give credence to what you're saying.

 

[WeakEraKing]

Funny how this logic eludes Fed fans when talking about US 2017. Then it matters who Nadal actually played instead of the hypothetical.

Of course for Roger it's a double standard when analyzing. I could only imagine what the Fedarlings would say if their draw was Del Potro, Djokovic, and Nadal and if Nadal had this cakewalk with Kevin Anderson, Isner/Raonic.

What do you expect from dead ends in human evolution...

 

[merlinpinpin]

I'll take Nadal in 5 only under the assumption that Djokovic still has an extra 3% to tap into along with Nadal's career rolling nicely in general over the last couple of years, including wins over Djokovic. Certainly gonna be the most anticipated match for me since the AO 2017 final should it happen.

Thing is, Nadal can't win in five to save his life these days. If he plays Djokovic (big if, there are still the QF matches to play and I'm not ruling anything out at this stage, even if Fed-Raonic and Nads-Djoko look like the logical outcomes), he'd better seal the deal before they get to the decider, imho.

 

[TennisBro]

People talk about Federer but Nadal actually has by far the easier draw, he has had shockingly cakewalk draws in the USO2017, FO2018 and now W2018.

Nadal's wimbledon 2018 draw:

Sela
Kukushkin
Minaur
Vesely
Del Potro probably (a player who sucks on grass)
Nishikori or Khachanov (both the easiest draw on grass ever) or Djokovic (only hard opponent he MIGHT play)

Meanwhile Fed has all the huge servers and big hitters like Anderson, Raonic, Isner etc..

With all due respect, the proposal seems a melodrama to me. Last year, I purchased a birthday cake for my son based on the picture. Once, my son and I got to taste the choice, we were not as impressed. I won't order the cake in such a way this year at all. Anyhow, I hope my point's not too moot here as I am just trying to say that the "cakewalk draws" may be based on deceiving images of people who may be capable of more than they appear they are.

Having said that however, I see your suggestion as interesting, since I believe the organizers are highly aware of the market and how to capitalize on endorsements from television stations and other sharks in the business. Selling the idea that one of the greatest grass players of number two in the world would meet with the number one, who's not so comfortable on grass, in the final may be the blockbuster pitch. Somehow, I think you're unto something here.

 

[merlinpinpin]

Funny how this logic eludes Fed fans when talking about US 2017. Then it matters who Nadal actually played instead of the hypothetical.

Of course for Roger it's a double standard when analyzing. I could only imagine what the Fedarlings would say if their draw was Del Potro, Djokovic, and Nadal and if Nadal had this cakewalk with Kevin Anderson, Isner/Raonic.

Except we don't know who they'll be playing yet, so at this time, it's all conjecture. The only things we know come from the top part of the draw:
- Federer will play Anderson
- The winner of this match will play the winner of Raonic/Isner

So, whatever happens, to go through to the final, Federer will have to play two big servers in a row. This is the only undisputable fact about the draw at the moment.

Now, about Nadal, you're freaking out because you already have him facing DelPo of the Olympics 2012, followed by Djokovic of 2011/2015. But it's also quite possible that he gets the following opponents on his way to the final:
- Simon who needs three more hours to put down Del Potro tomorrow and doesn't get a day off
- Nishikori who beats Djokovic in five then retires, injured, after the first set of the semi (he was massaging his right elbow all the time against an injured Gulbis today; plus, it's Nishikori, the guy's made of crystal)

Who would you consider has the easier path should this scenario come to play? Whould you still consider Sela - Kukushkin - De Minaur - Vesely - gassed Simon - injured Nishikori (ret.) as a draw from hell?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Except we don't know who they'll be playing yet, so at this time, it's all conjecture. The only things we know come from the top part of the draw:
- Federer will play Anderson
- The winner of this match will play the winner of Raonic/Isner

So, whatever happens, to go through to the final, Federer will have to play two big servers in a row. This is the only undisputable fact about the draw at the moment.

Now, about Nadal, you're freaking out because you already have him facing DelPo of the Olympics 2012, followed by Djokovic of 2011/2015. But it's also quite possible that he gets the following opponents on his way to the final:
- Simon who needs three more hours to put down Del Potro tomorrow and doesn't get a day off
- Nishikori who beats Djokovic in five then retires, injured, after the first set of the semi (he was massaging his right elbow all the time against an injured Gulbis today; plus, it's Nishikori, the guy's made of crystal)

Who would you consider has the easier path should this scenario come to play? Whould you still consider Sela - Kukushkin - De Minaur - Vesely - gassed Simon - injured Nishikori (ret.) as a draw from hell?

Wowser. That was a very hypothetical question. If I were you I would thank @MugOpponent if he bothers to reply a question like that.

 

[merlinpinpin]

Wowser. That was a very hypothetical question. If I were you I would thank @MugOpponent if he bothers to reply a question like that.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either if he didn't want to answer it. Can't make it any simpler, though. What would be the toughest at Wimby: two servebots in a row, or a gassed grinder followed by a retirement?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either if he didn't want to answer it. Can't make it any simpler, though. What would be the toughest at Wimby: two servebots in a row, or a gassed grinder followed by a retirement?

Your question is not an argument in a discussion because it is hypothetical.

 

[MugOpponent]

Except we don't know who they'll be playing yet, so at this time, it's all conjecture. The only things we know come from the top part of the draw:
- Federer will play Anderson
- The winner of this match will play the winner of Raonic/Isner

So, whatever happens, to go through to the final, Federer will have to play two big servers in a row. This is the only undisputable fact about the draw at the moment.

Now, about Nadal, you're freaking out because you already have him facing DelPo of the Olympics 2012, followed by Djokovic of 2011/2015. But it's also quite possible that he gets the following opponents on his way to the final:
- Simon who needs three more hours to put down Del Potro tomorrow and doesn't get a day off
- Nishikori who beats Djokovic in five then retires, injured, after the first set of the semi (he was massaging his right elbow all the time against an injured Gulbis today; plus, it's Nishikori, the guy's made of crystal)

Who would you consider has the easier path should this scenario come to play? Whould you still consider Sela - Kukushkin - De Minaur - Vesely - gassed Simon - injured Nishikori (ret.) as a draw from hell?

I'm not freaking out about it, merely pointing out that the most virulent Fed supports/anti Rafa posters would probably be having an aneurysm if the roles were reversed. Some of them still think Federer got a raw deal lol. In fact I see the draw as potentially a blessing in disguise. Beating quality players like Del Potro and Djokovic might be exactly what Nadal needs to prepare for Federer.

Your hypothetical is possible but highly unlikely. Del Potro definitely did himself no favors by not closing out Simon. SImon got a set but the odds are definitely in Del Potro's favor to advance. I suspect Rafa should beat him in four sets but it wouldn't earth shattering if Del Potro won.

Djokovic looks extremely good right now. Nishikori will get routed. I just don't see how anyone who has watched these matches could conceive of Kei defeating Novak.

 

[Deon Sanders]

Yep

Embarrassing draw coupled with constant cheating

Another asterisk'd outing for Ned the humbalito

 

[ChaelAZ]

Both Fed and Nadal haven't had a decent challenge yet. Both start in the next round and we'll see how it goes.

 

[Druss]

Both Nadal and Federer have had a fairly easy draw up until the QF, it's same same. The first four rounds not often have tough match ups anyways. QF: if Nadal gets Delpo than he has the toughest one as I'm sure both Fedal would take Anderson anytime before the Tower of Tandil. SF: If Nadal gets Nishikori and Fed Raonic, Fed has it tougher. If it's Djoker, obviously Nadal has it tougher there. So really there is not much difference, either way, perhaps a tad tougher overall for Nadal up to the Final.

 

[Tennisanity]

Nadal has the easiest draw.

 

[Demented]

I think you're looking at it wrong. Nadal would prefer to play Djoker over a serve bot in good form. Nadal can get a racket on Djokers serve and start the point which puts the match on his racket. An inform semi final against 135 mph serves on bare dirt would be a nightmare....

 

[titoelcolombiano]

lol - this thread

Anderson - easybeat when in Rafa's draw at the US Open - dangerous at Wimbledon

 

[Sentinel]

4

Nadal: Del Potro (1 GS title, 1 SF at WB, 1 Olympic Medal on grass defeating 2012 Djokovic) and Djokovic (12 GS titles, 3 WB titles).

Both returning from injuries / surgery etc, no ?

 

[OddJack]

Havnt you seen Djok's eyes? He has got that evil focus back on. He is going to spank Nadal yet again.

 

[mellowyellow]

lol - this thread

Anderson - easybeat when in Rafa's draw at the US Open - dangerous at Wimbledon

You have absolutely no comprehension? First of all its on grass, fast? No but faster than and somewhat lower bouncing than the slowest USO surface ever played. Second it's not a final, big difference in nerves/tension when Anderson knows this stage of a tourney reasonably well... Not even close to similar situations.

 

[Rafa24]

Fed and Nadal both have a very easy path to the final.

It’s clear that the Wimbledon organisers desperately want Federer vs Nadal IV.

ReMeMbEr WiMbLeDoN 2008? gReAtesT mAtch oF aLl TiMe.

yeah, no. Delpo and then djoker. Fed has to face anderson and fila sr, or milos to make the final.

 

[Rafa24]

Delpo gave Rafa a tough match in 2011. took a set and forced 2 tie breaks that he lost and lost the 4th 6-4.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

You have absolutely no comprehension? First of all its on grass, fast? No but faster than and somewhat lower bouncing than the slowest USO surface ever played. Second it's not a final, big difference in nerves/tension when Anderson knows this stage of a tourney reasonably well... Not even close to similar situations.

Anderson is not that good on any surface - Fed will do him in straight sets in less than an hour and a half.

 

[robert.s]

Every draw on Roland Garros is easy for Nadal if he's on form. USO 2017 is the easiest draw I've seen by far, but this Wimbledon is not an easy draw for Nadal. Maybe he was just a bit lucky not to have a grass specialist in the early rounds like in previous years.

 

[mellowyellow]

Every draw on Roland Garros is easy for Nadal if he's on form. USO 2017 is the easiest draw I've seen by far, but this Wimbledon is not an easy draw for Nadal. Maybe he was just a bit lucky not to have a grass specialist in the early rounds like in previous years.

lol OK... everyone has their own perspective I guess.

 

[mellowyellow]

Anderson is not that good on any surface - Fed will do him in straight sets in less than an hour and a half.

I wouldn't say that exactly. I think grass poses a movement problem for him. If you can get him moving, you can exploit it. The point though is he very much underperformed in the final at USO17. Serve was horrendous and UE were bad on bs balls. The moment clearly neutralized what was flowing the matches before and his natural advantages. I don't think you will see that here, not for an entire 3 sets and it's a more dangerous surface.