Why should he have done that? She's a 37 year old grown woman. She should have known better. The way she reacted to the coaching violation was completely unacceptable. And there's no such thing as coaching violation for just the coach, not the player. There's no way for the umpire to know if the player was paying attention to those signals or not.
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Why should he have done that? She's a 37 year old grown woman. She should have known better. The way she reacted to the coaching violation was completely unacceptable. And there's no such thing as coaching violation for just the coach, not the player. There's no way for the umpire to know if the player was paying attention to those signals or not.
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G.O.A.T.
Nice! Congrats, God bless!Thanks, SBC! It could also be #Me2 (coz I’ve got 2 in fact)
sportmac
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It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks she "would" have done. It doesn't matter what her track record is. What matters is that it's his job to handle this and to not become part of the story in the process.
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G.O.A.T.
Yeah. I demand an apology. Where is my apology?!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I often think they both ended up with the wrong names. Venus is really the 'serene' one while Serena acts more like a goddess.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
In this case you are too close to the truth to be humorous, but I would prefer to say more simply that he was too precious.
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G.O.A.T.
Yes, correct. Sorry to tell you mate, but just for that bit of tuffluv.... you now owe us an apology.
WHERE IS MY APOLOGY!?
Edit....also you now owe lance armstrong an apology. Same logic.
Zhilady
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Today.
tenisdecente
Hall of Fame
Thing is that she had two previous warnings, so the abuse deserved another warning, and this time was a game. It is not like Ramos can choose what punishment should be applied, she played with fire knowing he had two warnings and got burned.
So basically you said that BECAUSE other umpired DO NOT enforce rules in the book, then this is bad umpiring. Nice try, but sorry, not this time.
And I stand by what I said. Nadal was not yelling like a possessed man at Bernardes. He was pi$$ed off, but even in that situation he was not throwing the toys out of the pram because one call was not what he expected. He was WRONG then, but compared to what Serena did tonight, he was OK. Let it go man, you are not right in this one
Zhilady
Professional
Serena took your apology, because she has a daughter.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
Worry not, distraught Serena diehards. She will eventually tie Court's record and there will be more magic for you.
I know this is what it's all about. It's never just a tennis match, is it.
Serena fans - like Federer fans - need to chill, everything's ruined because of the drama that surrounds the need to proclaim them as GOATs and the absolute terror of the very unlikely chance that it might elude them.
I would fear the worst for Nadal or Djokovic if they were ever in a situation where they're a match away from tying the 20 Slam mark.
Günter Parche would become a mere footnote in tennis history.
Serena doesn't even have to worry about anyone chasing her in her lifetime.
Relax. Breathe. She'll do it. She's in almost every Slam final, for god's sake.
I know this is what it's all about. It's never just a tennis match, is it.
Serena fans - like Federer fans - need to chill, everything's ruined because of the drama that surrounds the need to proclaim them as GOATs and the absolute terror of the very unlikely chance that it might elude them.
I would fear the worst for Nadal or Djokovic if they were ever in a situation where they're a match away from tying the 20 Slam mark.
Günter Parche would become a mere footnote in tennis history.
Serena doesn't even have to worry about anyone chasing her in her lifetime.
Relax. Breathe. She'll do it. She's in almost every Slam final, for god's sake.
I agree. Serena acted like McEnroe for most of the match. All 3 violations were legit and now Serena is getting praised. Serena ruined the match for Osaka and Serena was 100% responsible for the situation. Most players know to clean up their behavior after the 1st warning but Serena kept pushing it.
veroniquem
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Serena has an attitude problem and she doesn't want to face it. She won't because she thinks she's a rock star, a diva, so rich and so famous that she can say, wear, do anything she pleases whenever and however she pleases. She justifies the escalation of her drama queen antics by playing the racism card (thankfully Osaka is non-white), the sexism card, the persecution card, the "I didn't know" card (really? After decades in the business??), anything rather than take personal responsibility for the way she behaves, the way she pushes the envelope, for acting entitled, using various intimidation techniques and expecting to get away with them.
Somebody has to put her back in her place for the good of the sport in general and set firm limits. Somebody has to let her know that she may be a billionaire and a superstar but in the context of tennis, she is just an athlete, a competing athlete that needs to obey rules, follow the guidelines and treat umps, linespeople, with a modicum of respect, leave the superhero ego in the locker room because this is not what the sport of tennis is about. The ump stood his ground and that's what Serena needs because her hubris is so oversized at this point. It's: me, me, me me and no the ump is not the boss, I am. Well , Serena, sometimes tough love is the best thing there is so, no, you are not the boss and you did get coached and you knew the rule about racquet abuse and after 2 code violations, you knew the 3rd one was game penalty. So when you started bullying the ump verbally and physically (finger wagging and other shenanigans vaguely reminiscent of the Clijsters line judge incident), you knew what was coming next.
And I know I should not mix politics into all this but at a time in the history of the US when the sitting president embodies the legitimization of bullying and intimidation over common sense, we need American athletes to reflect different values, even opposite values, more than ever before.
I almost forgot: Osaka played the perfect match. She didn't even lose focus after the long interruption and all the drama and that's the only thing we should be talking about tonight of course.
Somebody has to put her back in her place for the good of the sport in general and set firm limits. Somebody has to let her know that she may be a billionaire and a superstar but in the context of tennis, she is just an athlete, a competing athlete that needs to obey rules, follow the guidelines and treat umps, linespeople, with a modicum of respect, leave the superhero ego in the locker room because this is not what the sport of tennis is about. The ump stood his ground and that's what Serena needs because her hubris is so oversized at this point. It's: me, me, me me and no the ump is not the boss, I am. Well , Serena, sometimes tough love is the best thing there is so, no, you are not the boss and you did get coached and you knew the rule about racquet abuse and after 2 code violations, you knew the 3rd one was game penalty. So when you started bullying the ump verbally and physically (finger wagging and other shenanigans vaguely reminiscent of the Clijsters line judge incident), you knew what was coming next.
And I know I should not mix politics into all this but at a time in the history of the US when the sitting president embodies the legitimization of bullying and intimidation over common sense, we need American athletes to reflect different values, even opposite values, more than ever before.
I almost forgot: Osaka played the perfect match. She didn't even lose focus after the long interruption and all the drama and that's the only thing we should be talking about tonight of course.
deaner2211
Semi-Pro
So you are saying that of all the matches that were played this week the women's final was his only one?
Bartelby
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Men get away with bad behaviour a lot more than women and top male players get away with it a lot more than lesser ones. Ramos was being officious!
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I apologise that I didn't apologise when I should have apologised when you asked me to apologise for something for which I didn't think I needed to apologise for.
sredna42
Hall of Fame
Ohhhhhhhhhh, woe!!! So much hate! So much ignowahnce!
I made a thread asking this same question once. It was the wawrinka nadal final where the umpire refused to say what treatment nadal had when he ran off court to get some coaching and a mental reset, tournament ref just did nothing.
I can't believe that the us open released a statement praising williams after what she did on court. Sweet baby jesus, imagine that was kyrgios. They would have lynched him. His career would be over. It would be major news. But serena gets gushing praise.
ATP and WTA need to be aired out in the sunlight and disinfected like FIFA or the IOC.
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G.O.A.T.
Totes nomenclature character switcheroo. I blame Oracene. But that would be gender bias. Mysogynitik. Seksist. So i blame richard now.
tennisaddict
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A player who is on tour for 20+ years needs explained what constitutes coaching violation ?
What next, Serena will ask that the umpire did not tell her about let, second serve and foot fault ?
What next, Serena will ask that the umpire did not tell her about let, second serve and foot fault ?
SalvadorVeiga
Rookie
LOL,,,,,,,,, RAFA did the Same thing multiple times with another umpire..... What about him then ? Rafa didnt' get a warning or point penalty for doing that.
Please just STOP! Stop with this WHATABOUTISM non-sense
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G.O.A.T.
Oh shoot! #meToo!!
It's not his job to calm players down. He's not a shrink.
I can accept a teenager acting like that but not a grown up. She was constantly bullying the umpire after that coaching code violation.
NaomiKonjuhPotapova
G.O.A.T.
Hope so. Serena did want a second baby tho. I don't think she will do that via surrogacy.
Bartelby
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Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
they need to enforce it more often. that was fun
If you dislike a certain player, I'm sure it was fun.
abmk, or another resident historian - when was this last enforced?
Zhilady
Professional
I'm saying he did his job properly in this match. If he didn't give coaching violations in other matches of his this tournament that had coaching, that would mean he didn't do his job properly in those matches. Not this one.
It’s hard enough to get more people into tennis here in the US. With negative role models and controversies like this, who wants to bring their kids to tennis matches, knowing players berate umpires and this is considered just fine? Carlos was right to give consequences for this, she made tennis look awful to a big audience.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Ha ha can't be beat for drama but I really felt for Osaka who was visibly upset and at a loss. This 1st slam win will almost end up being a trauma despite the fact that she played stunningly, almost flawlessly and deserves every kudo. (Not to mention Serena will get all the headlines. Kind of sad she is turning a phenomenal career into a neverending circus of megalomania, provocations and misbehaviors.)
atp2015
Hall of Fame
You claimed someone carrying citizenship paper is American. As some statesman said America is its ideals, culture and values.
It's not counted using some paper.
Of course, you are not likely to get it with your paper based American legal presence.
The point penalty was well and truly deserved after the racquet smashing. While I think her initial response to ramos before that was polite enough, and I also believe ramos could have warned her before the game penalty was awarded, but she's an adult who knew the rules and should have behaved like one.
BeatlesFan
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Serena needs to watch how the pros used to disrupt tennis. They made the match more interesting with their tantrums.
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G.O.A.T.
Yes, but you also hafta say, "Yaass Queen!"
Stop laughing. Nope. Say it like you mean it.
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Usually other teammates or coaches calm a player down. The refs walk away or remain stoic. You can place some of the blame on the chair ump, but the majority of it is shouldered by the 37 year old veteran.
What? Every sport has different tolerance limit. In hockey you can smack your opponent in the face and get just 2 mins penalty, try that in tennis and you will be defaulted.
MRfStop
Hall of Fame
Yes, kind of like someone getting arrested and the officer gets criticized for doing their job because other officers aren’t. Everyone is a victim
tennis tom
Legend
How do you know I have a fat ass--you been checking me out in the locker room???
That’s the US mentality, no? It’s either black or white. Good or bad. Progressive or conservative. Democrat or republican. Nothing in between, no nuance whatsoever. And you’re the greatest country so the rest should just follow suit.
Too bad you need to have a certain level of intelligence to be able to reflect on your own thoughts and behavior to notice these things.
The greatest country is really great at shouting their own unnuanced opinions, booing the other team, creating global tensions in areas of race, gender and sexuality that are only making matters worse, complaining about their presidential stable genius that they elected themselves, and most of all: you’re great at calling yourselves the greatest country in the world. Always with a straight face and without a hint of shame
MasterZeb
Hall of Fame
I disgaree with the umpire being thin skinned. It wasn't just the thief comment that made her receive the violation i think. It was also the constant demanding of an apology, saying he will never umpire her matches. It may not be abuse
I disagree with the umpire being wrong. He was well within the rules handing out the penalty
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sredna42
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LOL as well at OP being munted and drunk on MSM koolaid enough to drag kyrgios into it as a comparison. FFS If Kyrgios had done this on court can you wrap your mind around the response! He merely loses a set and its headline news slamming him. If he had melted down like this he would be fined through the roof and suspended for a year, and the msm would be like pirhanas in a frenzy
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