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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Speaking as someone who cares very much about tennis, does anyone give a f**k?
Yes. Some of us want a tally for the precise amount of f**ks given. Was it higher than his errors count?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I believe there was 1 for every error (and maybe 1 or 2 more whenever Anderson hit yet another ace when facing a break point) . Does that help?
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
I had no problem with this, quite enjoyed it until Brad went for the whole shirt ripping thing at the end to send it into overkill.
I believe there was one for every error. Does that help?
Yes, it means he swore more often than he hit errors (I'm presuming Anderson also hit errors).
they call him Mr Anderson! i didnt think he;d keep up his level but i seen the last part of the match and was playing real well.bad luck Muzzard.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I had no problem with this, quite enjoyed it until Brad went for the whole shirt ripping thing at the end to send it into overkill.
Yeah, I know it was hot out there but Brad really should have kept his shirt on!
Personally, I would have preferred more f***s and less errors if it had to be either/or. But each to his own.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
You'll have to ask the one person who maintains all these stats --- Federer. The Rainman of tennis stats.
Just switched on my telly and they are showing a replay of the Kev-Murray match. End of last set. This is precisely where I woke up, and switched on the telly 8 hours back and saw the live match.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
I had no problem with this, quite enjoyed it until Brad went for the whole shirt ripping thing at the end to send it into overkill.
What is this thing with Brad, i missed it ?
(I am unable to access that video you linked)
Personally, I would have preferred more f***s and less errors if it had to be either/or. But each to his own.
Did Murray overplay in order to improve his ranking, or just to get into form ?
Do you think he can recover for the WTF, or is he gassed out for this season ?
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Brad was asking Kevin if he has any emotion in him and to show some emotion, which Anderson did in a comedic way to the crowd, getting amped up in a kind of OTT way. This apparently wasn't enough for Brad, who closed out the on-court interview by asking Anderson to rip his shirt off in a boisterous manner (Anderson did not oblige and it was a tongue-in-cheek request anyway).
MatsPhilander
Legend
Could have been a chance for Hulk Hogan to rehab his image-rip the shirt off and pose.
StanTheMan
Hall of Fame
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Meles
Bionic Poster
ESPN3 replay.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Commiserations. A cooler day/evening match may have put Murray over the top against KA. Amazingly long match considering KA is Serve Bot.
Meles
Bionic Poster
He owned Connors an Mac at Wimbledon one year before cooling off in final against 17 year old Becker. Tall and hit serve while toss still moving upwards. Kriek won depleted Australian opens.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
You just time travelled to the final Monday ? What did Tsonga say in his champion's speech ?
zagor
Bionic Poster
Disagree, it's a very different match-up, Murray would have beaten Isner too(might have lost one set max). Current Anderson can serve big, rally from the backcourt against the best (with power, depth and consistency), return serve well, handle low balls, finish points at the net etc. He would have been very tough for Fed, regardless of their Cincy match.
Isner has a great serve, big FH and is rock solid mentally (I'd say one of the best on tour in that regard) but that's about as far as it goes, a very limited repertoire. Clumsy movement, mediocre at the net, terrible at handling low balls, either overhits or is too defensive from the baseline, terrible ROS etc.
He should have skipped Cincy, as simple as that. If you remember, I said so at the time.
Completely agree, Andy is a great competitor.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
You just time travelled to the final Monday ? What did Tsonga say in his champion's speech ?
"I want to thank Anderson for making this day possible, I could not have done it without you, non?"
It will be a glorious day.
2/2 on my Fed draw prediction thus far though.
Watch Anderson beat Stan and Tsonga beat Djovak.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
You're probably right but I still think Fed would have handled Anderson better because his own serve is better so he wouldn't have put as much pressure on himself to hold as Andy did.
Again, you're probably right but I think he was trying to protect his number #2 ranking by defending his Cincy points from last year. If he had held on to that he would have got Federer's draw at the USO this year and avoided Anderson. IMO he would have had a better chance against Isner whom he has never lost a match to. But unfortunately for him, Federer beat him in Cincy and defended his title and so snatched back the number #2 ranking. But I think Murray felt he had to try which was understandable. If his ranking had been secure, I feel he probably would have ducked Cincy.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
It would be hilarious if Fed is the one who ends up with the Nadal-draw instead of Nole.
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
underground
G.O.A.T.
Props to Anderson for holding it together all the way to the tiebreak and not letting the missed chances affect him. Rightfully deserved winner.
zagor
Bionic Poster
Good point. Just saying that I don't think anyone would have had an easy time with Kevin the way he played in this tourney so far.
Sure but my main point here is that if you're a multiple slam champion you don't obsess over rankings, you manage your schedule to peak at slams, period.
Murray showed great form at Montreal and finally beat Novak in a closely contested final, that would have been the perfect way to head into USO, rested and on a high from his big win. Instead, he grinded like crazy at Cincy until he hit a physical wall and got smacked by Fed.
I could be wrong, but I consider it to be a very bad scheduling decision for a player of Murray's caliber who has been on the tour for a long time now.
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tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
About what? Who has a better chance against Wawrinka?
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
I disagree, think he looked very gassed by the end of the 4th. But then magically pulled himself together in the breaker. Anyhow, we shall see
Good post, but if you watched, you would know that Fed-Isner was anything but routine. Nevertheless, Fed still handles the big servers better than most (or even better than everybody else?)
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Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
From saying Anderson would get smocked by Wawa, get bageled and win 5 games to him having an actual chance.
vernonbc
Legend
I read an interview where Murray said he hadn't scheduled Cincinnati. He originally was going to play Washington and Montreal and then go to Miami for a 4-5 day training block to get ready for the USO. However, when he lost in the first round of Washington, he thought he needed more matches instead so ended up going to Cinci. Stuff happens I guess, and if he hadn't lost today, no one would be talking about his schedule.
Anderson has been playing very well this year so it really wasn't a huge upset. I like his game for such a big guy and he seems like a terrific person too so it's always kind of nice to see a good guy having some success after he's worked so hard for it.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
I thought the match would be longer.
Emiliano55
Professional
I know I said many times he was going to choke. But hey, I called it here first (first page) So give me some credit.
I'm sorry but did you not witness the embarrassing attitude Andy put out there? I know your a fan but come on it was disgusting. He's a great guy off the court but on it? Nick is quite young(no excuse) but Andy is 28 time for him to grow up, there is my "intelligent" response. I'll hold my breathe for for your justification to Andy's behaviour.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
Fastastic match. Great to see offense dominate here.
Kevin Anderson seems to have a similar personality to Raonic. He appears to be quite intelligent and reserved. Like Raonic (unfortunately Raonic's surgery has given him a setback) you can actually see on the court the manifestations of all the hard off court work that he did. He looks more muscular and moves very well for someone of his height. He seems to have also improved his mental as well. Anderson, who lost 7 finals is a row before prevailing in Winston Salem, also shook off the loss to Djokovic at Wimbledon after being up 2 sets to love and held his nerve against Andy without holding back on his aggressive play.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Why was Murray not able to read the serve of Anderson ? Isn't Murray the Best returner in the game ? He can give some bad time to some of the best servers in the game, but then he was repeatedly being aced by Anderson...
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Get over yourself. What 'disgusting' behaviour? Does he abuse umpires or ballboys like some players have been known to do? Does he whisper obscene suggestions to his opponent about their private lives? Does he pick his backside or bounce the ball 48 times before serving? Does he constantly take strategic MTOs just before his opponent is about to serve? Does he grunt loudly enough to distract his opponent?
If you find all those things unremarkable but affect to be 'appalled' by Andy's comparatively insignificant little quirks, then poor you. Each to his own!
Anderson has a great serve. He's going to hit aces regardless if Andy or Nole or whoever is across the net. Andy didn't lose this match because of not reading Anderson's serve. He lost because Anderson played a great aggressive game and Andy chose to defend for the greater part of this match.
Quirks? I agree with your other points they are out of line. Wasn't Andy trying to put Anderson off by squeeking his shoes before the serve? Look I've got no beef with you or Andy but my opinion swearing and having a tantrum because your opponent hit a winner is not becoming of a player of his caliber. I get your a fan so naturally this is not a concern for you, he is meant to be a role model so the tantrums need to stop I've noticed he gets away with it a lot too which is shame on the officials.
Anyway what I'm trying to say is I respect your opinion and your support of him but I feel he needs to calm down that's all.
Inanimate_object
Hall of Fame
That shoe squeaking was borderline unprofessional. At first I thought it was just Murray subconsciously agitated, but he consistently did it on the most crucial moments. That's the sort of petty stuff you see at the club-level. I'd be pissed if I was Anderson. Besides that, nothing else Murray did was that bothersome.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
I didn't expect Murray to win a slam this year, but it's a little bit of a shock that he lost to Anderson.
Andy works harder than anyone on his fitness, but he seems tired or "off" in many big matches this year. I almost think he is too bulky, too buff, and he doesn't need to be as muscular as he is. His great physique isn't paying off because he's not winning slams. He had two great results so far this year-- beating Rafa on clay and beating Nole in Canada, but he just seems half the player mentally that he was when Ivan was around.
Andy works harder than anyone on his fitness, but he seems tired or "off" in many big matches this year. I almost think he is too bulky, too buff, and he doesn't need to be as muscular as he is. His great physique isn't paying off because he's not winning slams. He had two great results so far this year-- beating Rafa on clay and beating Nole in Canada, but he just seems half the player mentally that he was when Ivan was around.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Squeaking his what? I think you're deliberately looking for things. And what do you want the umpires to tell him? If he swears audibly he'll get a warning. Other than that, what are they suppose to be telling him: "You're being far too miserable. Cheer up or I'll have to give you a warning" ? I think it's a fair bet to say that umpires, ballkids and line officials think he is a godsend compared to having to deal with the likes of McEnroe and Connors!
Look, he is what he is. He's never going to turn into Borg or Federer. Nadal is never going to stop picking his butt or arranging his water-bottles. Djokovic is never going to stop endlessly bouncing balls before serving or scaring the odd ballboy when he is feeling frustrated. Murray's habits are to berate himself when things aren't going well. Maybe he would be better adopting a calmer, more Zen-like approach but he is what he is. He's unlikely to change much after a decade on tour playing that way and maybe he could have done better but he's still done pretty well, wouldn't you say?
And, like most of his fellow-players, who does his behaviour affect other than himself?
Fair enough I see you point. At first was going mad but in the second set he was making a lot of noise whilst Kevin was about to serve if you get to see a full replay listen out for it whilst Kevin is trying to serve.
It wasn't just me who noticed this and it was very unlike Murray. But I agree fully with your statements.
heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
This match really demonstrated the lack of Lendl in the Murray camp as well has the strength of mind of Anderson who first displayed this new found strength in the Wimby tune up.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
Okay i saw that, had no idea it was Brad. Was Brad also the guy who interviewd Fed and put on his headband and asked Fed how he looked ?
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Agree with you. Kevin will probably be a tougher deal, than Murray, Fed knows Murray much better.
However, it's sad for Murray. Thought he had come back from his back issues, and that this court would suit him.
Not to detract from Nole, but he gets a free ride with no opposition from #2 and #3
Yeah Murray seems to have fought back this year but so often come up second best vs Djokovic that mayb he'sgot nothing left. i wouldn't say Nole has no opposition but obviously he's got a signifiant edge.He'sjust better than Murray and Federer dosn't have the stamina to oppose him all the time
Mainad
Bionic Poster
I understand your general point but, like Federer, Murray has beaten Djokovic this year in a big final so he can never be counted out as a potential threat to him, can he?
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Guys like anderson and Isner will always force you to play tiebreaks and it depends o how well you play them.Murray lost two yesterday and Fedwon 2, but not so sure he will do as well vs anderson.e should do but his form can be iffy these days. he lost 2 tiebreaks to seppi at the AO this year
Towser83
G.O.A.T.
Well I said it's not like Fed and Murray are not opposition for Djokovic, so I'm not counting him out. But Djokovic does have the edge, one win against how many losses? On the whole Djokovic is most of the time that little bit better and maybe Murray is a bit mentally worn out by the constant semis and finals without a huge amount of reward compared to what he's put in. Federer has had this too, making finals only to lose to Djokovic.
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