mike danny
Bionic Poster
Those were probably some of the most epic back to back slam titles you'll see.The main reason to me why that USO and AO 2012 were so epic:
Djokovic beating Nadal at his own game.
Those were probably some of the most epic back to back slam titles you'll see.The main reason to me why that USO and AO 2012 were so epic:
Djokovic beating Nadal at his own game.
Djokovic served a lot better than Nadal so not the same.Neither did Djokovic - that final was more a baseline battle with both guys at their peak.
Yeah.Seriously.
I need to ask
What's the Federer Roddick tiebreak record in Grand Slams? Is it the 7-0 or something?
well hypothetical 1995 born Joe probably reels off 10 USOs in this era too roflmao. 07-16 Djokovic in 16-25 plays quite nicely.Lendl would have been the USO GOAT in a weaker era, especially as weak as the current one. Up to ten straight USOs for 1995-born Ivan.
Well Fed was 15-1 in TBs in the last 2 rounds of Wimbledon from 03-09, 5-0 against Roddick and 5-1 against Nadal, so not too bad. No shame in losing the 07 USO TBs either considering what it took.Yeah.
It really shouldn't be that but thats the tragic reality.
03 WIM/1st TB 09 WIM were golden chances that he blew.
8.5.
Lol I was messing around.Do me a favor, watch that 2nd set tb and tell me ATG level Roddick couldn't win a single set cuz Federer was that sharp.
Federer got only one first serve in, and that was the last point of the set, at 6-4. I believe Roddick won only 1 point on Federer's second serve (out of 6) - it was an UE from Federer.
Winners + FE = Roddick 4, Federer 2
UEs = Roddick 2, Federer 2
Point at 4-4 is cut out, don't know what happened there.
Not to mention average return at 0-1 or not so great approach from Roddick at 2-1.
I'm afraid mr. Roddick falls short of any ATG discussion here.
On a serious note what do you consider ATG level?Do me a favor, watch that 2nd set tb and tell me ATG level Roddick couldn't win a single set cuz Federer was that sharp.
Federer got only one first serve in, and that was the last point of the set, at 6-4. I believe Roddick won only 1 point on Federer's second serve (out of 6) - it was an UE from Federer.
Winners + FE = Roddick 4, Federer 2
UEs = Roddick 2, Federer 2
Point at 4-4 is cut out, don't know what happened there.
Not to mention average return at 0-1 or not so great approach from Roddick at 2-1.
I'm afraid mr. Roddick falls short of any ATG discussion here.
On a serious note what do you consider ATG level?
Yes I would say 1 and 3 on your list.Few instances at USO where ATG level opponent was beaten en route to the title. You could argue:
2004 Agassi
2009 Federer
2011 Federer
Why not 2 as well?Yes I would say 1 and 3 on your list.
I don’t remember as much about 2009 Federer in the final.Why not 2 as well?
I don’t remember as much about 2009 Federer in the final.
@Biotic
Some Federer fans have said that Del Potro played even better in the RG 09 clash and Federer was not great in the USO 09 final.
Igor Andreev in 2008, hands down. That guy had some serious top spin forehand. Shame injuries got rid of his career.
Do me a favor, watch that 2nd set tb and tell me ATG level Roddick couldn't win a single set cuz Federer was that sharp.
Federer got only one first serve in, and that was the last point of the set, at 6-4. I believe Roddick won only 1 point on Federer's second serve (out of 6) - it was an UE from Federer.
Winners + FE = Roddick 4, Federer 2
UEs = Roddick 2, Federer 2
Point at 4-4 is cut out, don't know what happened there.
Not to mention average return at 0-1 or not so great approach from Roddick at 2-1.
I'm afraid mr. Roddick falls short of any ATG discussion here.
Few instances at USO where ATG level opponent was beaten en route to the title. You could argue:
2004 Agassi
2009 Federer
2011 Federer
Yeah, maybe just say "don't know what happened there" for the whole match and leave it at that.Point at 4-4 is cut out, don't know what happened there.
Routinely won the 1st. While serving for the 2nd set, Delpo hit two miracle fh passing shots and broke him. That seemed to throw him off balance a bit. 3rd set was tightly contested, had a couple of mini meltdowns, but won it 6-4 after being down a break. Delpo somehow eeked out the 4th. Rest is history.
Oh, and the small fact that midmatch it occured to him that it might be a good idea to try and abuse Delpo's forehand.
Nevertheless, as I've said, you could argue it was ATG level.
I knew this response was comingLOL.
09 USO F fed serves poorly including at like 50%, giving delpo chance in 2nd set starting with a stupid dropshot, plays a horrible 5th set vs delpo. That's ATG, but Roddick's 2nd set TB in USO 07 QF is what you have a problem with?
11 USO SF fed doesn't play that good a 3rd set, plays a horrible 4th set, crumbles from MP down in the 5th set, but Roddick's 2nd set TB in USO 07 QF is what you have a problem with?
At 4 all in the USO 07 QF 2nd set TB. Fed hit a 140 mph serve right back at Roddick's feet and got the error from him.
2nd set TB in that USO 07 QF:
0-0: Roddick with a fierce I/O FH and then swinging FH volley winner
0-1: ok, not that great a return from Roddick, but federer forces error with FH
1-1: roddick goes for the 2nd serve return, but misses
1-2: approach from Roddick was fine with fed being deep back. just that fed was better to be able to pass him
1-3: unreturnable from Roddick
3-2: Roddick hits a good return off 2nd serve and eventually forces error from fed in the rally to get the mini break back
3-3: very good twist serve on 2nd serve from fed and FH forces error from Roddick
3-4: federer with a UE on inside in FH in medium sized rally
4-4: Fed hit a 140 mph serve right back at Roddick's feet and got the error from him.
4-5: Roddick with a FH UE
4-6: fed with the unreturnable
frankly the only fault from Roddick was that FH UE at 4-5. That's it.
ouch lolYeah, maybe just say "don't know what happened there" for the whole match and leave it at that.
I remember when chumps used to pretend they were tennis aficionados at the time when it was clear that they were ripping off wikipedia and whatever they could find video of. Can't even get that level of quality anymore on here.
peak match metsman?Yeah, maybe just say "don't know what happened there" for the whole match and leave it at that.
I remember when chumps used to pretend they were tennis aficionados at the time when it was clear that they were ripping off wikipedia and whatever they could find video of. Can't even get that level of quality anymore on here.
Yeah, maybe just say "don't know what happened there" for the whole match and leave it at that.
I remember when chumps used to pretend they were tennis aficionados at the time when it was clear that they were ripping off wikipedia and whatever they could find video of. Can't even get that level of quality anymore on here.
Yeah, maybe just say "don't know what happened there" for the whole match and leave it at that.
I remember when chumps used to pretend they were tennis aficionados at the time when it was clear that they were ripping off wikipedia and whatever they could find video of. Can't even get that level of quality anymore on here.
It was a joke.and?
your point being?
If you had seen the match in full, that would have been the kind of point you'd remember. It very frequently gets its own dedicated videos.Do me a favor, watch that 2nd set tb and tell me ATG level Roddick couldn't win a single set cuz Federer was that sharp.
Federer got only one first serve in, and that was the last point of the set, at 6-4. I believe Roddick won only 1 point on Federer's second serve (out of 6) - it was an UE from Federer.
Winners + FE = Roddick 4, Federer 2
UEs = Roddick 2, Federer 2
Point at 4-4 is cut out, don't know what happened there.
Not to mention average return at 0-1 or not so great approach from Roddick at 2-1.
I'm afraid mr. Roddick falls short of any ATG discussion here.
Routinely won the 1st. While serving for the 2nd set, Delpo hit two miracle fh passing shots and broke him. That seemed to throw him off balance a bit. 3rd set was tightly contested, had a couple of mini meltdowns, but won it 6-4 after being down a break. Delpo somehow eeked out the 4th. Rest is history.
Oh, and the small fact that midmatch it occured to him that it might be a good idea to try and abuse Delpo's forehand.
Nevertheless, as I've said, you could argue it was ATG level.
I won't derail this thread with RG09.
IMO Federer was really good in USO 09 (overall comparable to 08 and 07), until that match run away from him. And that was an uncharted territory for him at that point. Part of it was maybe the psychological issue of being beaten in fh to fh exchanges, can't say for sure.
I watched that match, and I remember thinking midway through the 3rd there's no way Federer loses this. He was clearly the better player at that point. But Delpo played out of his mind in certain stretches, and found a way.
If you had seen the match in full, that would have been the kind of point you'd remember. It very frequently gets its own dedicated videos.
What's anyone supposed to do when someone returns their 140mph serve right back at their feet? Anyone would have lost that point, not just Roddick lolGreat return. Also, this is Roddick in a nutshell.
Djokovic would have his hands full with this Roddick peak to peak.Great return. Also, this is Roddick in a nutshell.
Djokovic would have his hands full with this Roddick peak to peak.
Roddick was worse in 2008 though. His worst year in the 2003-2009 stretch.What does that have to do with this?
They had that 2008 USO, neither was at their peak.
Djokovic could be said to have been prime level though......What does that have to do with this?
They had that 2008 USO, neither was at their peak.
Ok fair enough.
Djoker blew his shoulder and arm out I think at the start of that USO series that year.
Cannot recall exactly.
Thanks for trying to drag the discussion down the gutter. Not that I expected anything other than that from the likes of you.
14% on first serve was obviously too much even for ATG Roddick.
I believe Roddick won only 1 point on Federer's second serve (out of 6) - it was an UE from Federer.
Roddick was worse in 2008 though. His worst year in the 2003-2009 stretch.
Watching a bit of the first set of that USO 07 match now. Federer seems to be dealing with the power of Roddick quite a bit better than the Wimbledon 2004 final?
Doesn't matter. What matters is the narrative that Roddick was playing some god level tennis but Federer was so great, clutch and sharp that Roddick couldn't even win a single set.
Roddick played really good, especially on his serve, noone is denying that. That TB tho is a clear evidence that Roddick had a chance to clutch it out and at least win 1 set. 14% on first serve from Federer +2 UEs. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's not what I'd call unbeatable in a TB.
The same reasons other fanbases rate matches that the guy they support played highly in peak yearsWhy else do you think me, metsman and others rate this match highly? Fed was sharp. returning fairly well. Yet Roddick was serving that well and backing it up so well that he didn't face a BP for 2 full sets. His level fell a little in the 3rd set. 1 game was somewhat shaky - fed broke. Roddick tried to break back, but couldn't. 2nd break for fed was just fed playing really well.
If I remember he could serve good for a bit but then it would give out and he would just get it in to start the point.Djokovic served very well in the SF vs fed at USO 11. one of his best serving performances at the USO. Had like 28% serves unreturned IIRC.
His serving dipped considerably in the final
LOL you don't have a clue about the most important point in the entire match, this is not a discussion you should have even tried to get into.Thanks for trying to drag the discussion down the gutter. Not that I expected anything other than that from the likes of you.
14% on first serve was obviously too much even for ATG Roddick.
The same reasons other fanbases rate matches that the guy they support played highly in peak years
In all seriousness Federer is handling the barrages and power very well like i said.
What does that have to do with this?
They had that 2008 USO, neither was at their peak.
This is rating it highly among the matches at peak, lol.
Probably rate it 6th best perf of Fed at USO after USO 04 SF/F, USO 05 QF, USO 06 SF/F.
Well Federer served way better in 07 USO (and Roddick returned way better at Wimby 04). Also, Roddick's FH was a bit more deadly in 04, although he was hitting it quite well in 07.Watching a bit of the first set of that USO 07 match now. Federer seems to be dealing with the power of Roddick quite a bit better than the Wimbledon 2004 final?