Wimbledon 2019 Final: Novak Djokovic [1] vs Roger Federer [2]

Dedans Penthouse · Jul 15, 2019

romeo8880 said:
So pathetic

@Steve0904 @tennisaddict @luvly @kishnabe @True Fanerer: props to you all. . You guys are all worthy of your Fed avatars - class posts. Again, props

. .For the others who used the words "pathetic" and "choke" (major overkill on both) and "(Fed) needs a shrink": . there you were, sitting on your fanboy fannies while Federer battled his heart out for 5 hours in a pressure-packed atmosphere only to have you (with your scrambled-brain insults) inferring that FED's the one in need of a shrink?

. "~~Physician~~ fanboy, go heal thyself." . . . (fanboys to DP: ."dedans go 'phuck' thyself" in 3...2...1..) . : )

Cecilia said:
Du warst unglaublich

Yes, Fed was incredible. . And while we're going 'Deutsche' (and not 'Dutch') I'll have a liverwurst on rye while you're at it. . Danke. . : )

CremoCream said:
Get out of here man. Hes a 20 slam 310 weeks at #1 GOAT thats in a major final at the age of 37 competing at the highest level. They both had moments of mental wavering. But they both were tremendous as well. He came down 4-2 down in the 5th. Seriously. All you fake Fed fans are frickin annoying.

Appreciate his greatness.

. ."Game, set & match" : this post.

KINGROGER a/k/a QUEENCLOWN said:
Another robbery, just like 09 AO, 11 USO SF etc. Sickening.
But don’t know if I could continue watching tennis after that robbery.

Either way it’s ruined my week and I don’t think anything could redeem this....
......barring a Federer CYGS in 2020 beating Djokovic 4 times.

. .Robbery? Looks like the Brain Police stole what few brains cells you can still claim as your own.

. .Either way, I hereby dub thee QUEENCLOWN, the CLOWNofQUEENS.

mandy01 said:
I wish he wasn't involved in these kind of matches. Clearly the better player. Loses three TBs.
Whatever. I'm off tennis for the rest of the year. ****fest of the highest order.

Grampa said:
I am leaving this forum I just can't stand this

. .Promise?

NatF said:
Classy speeches from both. Icons of the sport.

NatF, appropriate speeches paying the lip service "respect" angle as such but I also saw a tense-bordering-on-disdain "chilliness" between the two. . While Fed comes across as genuinely liking Rafa win or lose (and outside of the psycho Fed/Djoko fanboys who doesn't like him?) me thinks 'Fed no like Djoko' (glaring at Djoko while Djoko gave his 'lip-service' props).

And as far as Djoko himself goes, maybe I read too much into his on-court post-match interview when he didn't refer to Fed as "the greatest player" or even "arguably the greatest player" but simply "one of the greatest players" meaning that he put Fed in a 'group' (however small) and with the 'when I'm 37' reference he not-so-subtly gave notice that he's looking to break Fed's grand slam total and claim "greatest" for himself while a "by then retired" Fed can only watch. . Again, maybe I read too much into Djoko's post-match comments but in any event there seems to be a 'chill' between the two of them that does not exist with Fed & Rafa. . jmho fwiw.

TripleATeam said:
Honestly, some of these Federer fans are extremely toxic. Thank you to all who know how to lose gracefully. I know it hurts, but at least stop calling him names.

. .Tennis doesn't build character, .it reveals it (or lack thereof). . Me, I'm no friggin' prize but this Fed-bashing crap is for the birds...and by Fed's fanboys no less. . Bad enough they denigrate anyone other than "my favourite male tennis idol," these cannibalistic nitwits aren't even above "eating their own." . Tennis for tots by twits as twats.

Nostradamus said:
Novak won't break Roger's slam record.

He will likely get cancer soon. after eating that much grass on center court with all that Pesticides........

. .If you had a set of balls, you would be well-served having them kicked. . Lucky for you, .you don't.

volleynets said:
Hahahaha your post is the only thing that made me feel better after the disappointment in how this match ended.

. .atta boy

. .edit: . atta fanboy

Tomxc said:

. . Awesome little "coping mechanism" you got there....

.

. .Now, any way you can shoehorn "Won the Last Point" into your statistical "Stress Ball?" .....it's a fail-safe strategy suitable for any occasion.

Tennis Rules · Jul 15, 2019

am i the only one who don´t the an epic match.

ich watched a match where both players blocked his emotions and don´t create intensity.
there were some really good ralleys but there were a lot of unforced errors - especially at big point.
i got the feeling that not the player won the point because of a good shot...it was more that the player lost the point because of an unforced error.

i don´t like the final and the only epicness was the first tie break at a single match.
but i don´t like the tiebreak rule. it is not necessary at the final.

NoleFam · Jul 15, 2019

Dilexson said:
I'm gonna quote that one if @NoleFam ever picks on the pessimistic Fedfans.
all in all an awesome match , Congrats to you guys.

fps · Jul 15, 2019

ScentOfDefeat said:
The man never made it past the semifinals.
What next, the Swan lake?

You... you didn't read my post, did you.

Rickenbacker4003 · Jul 15, 2019

Joker's biggest weapon in this match was his efficiency and there's no stat sheet for that. His ability to absorb an attacking strategy on grass no less is remarkable. Add his return of serve as well. He took everything, short slices, deep slices, deep and high spin, then flat, etc. and he brought it all back and deep enough to avoid giving too many sitters. All while Fed was super determined and rarely had dips in peformance. Really one of his 3 best victories.

Red Rick · Jul 15, 2019

Dedans Penthouse said:
@Steve0904 @tennisaddict @luvly @kishnabe @True Fanerer: props to you all. . You guys are all worthy of your Fed avatars - class posts. Again, props

. .For the others who used the words "pathetic" and "choke" (major overkill on both) and "(Fed) needs a shrink": . there you were, sitting on your fanboy fannies while Federer battled his heart out for 5 hours in a pressure-packed atmosphere only to have you (with your scrambled-brain insults) inferring that FED's the one in need of a shrink?

. "~~Physician~~ fanboy, go heal thyself." . . . (fanboys to DP: dedans go 'phuck thyself" in 3...2...1..) . : )

Yes, Fed was incredible. . And while we're going 'Deutsche' (and not 'Dutch') I'll have a liverwurst on rye while you're at it. . Danke. . : )

. ."Game, set & match" : this post.

. .Robbery? Looks like the Brain Police stole what few brains cells you can still claim as your own.

. .Either way, I hereby dub thee QUEENCLOWN, the CLOWNofQUEENS.

. .Promise?

NatF, appropriate speeches paying the lip service "respect" angle as such but I also saw a tense-bordering-on-disdain "chilliness" between the two. . While Fed comes across as genuinely liking Rafa win or lose (and outside of the psycho Fed/Djoko fanboys who doesn't like him?) me thinks 'Fed no like Djoko' (glaring at Djoko while Djoko gave his 'lip-service' props).

And as far as Djoko himself goes, maybe I read too much into his on-court post-match interview when he didn't refer to Fed as "the greatest player" or even "arguably the greatest player" but simply "one of the greatest players" meaning that he put Fed in a 'group' (however small) and with the 'when I'm 37' reference he not-so-subtly gave notice that he's looking to break Fed's grand slam total and claim "greatest" for himself while a "by then retired" Fed can only watch. . Again, maybe I read too much into Djoko's post-match comments but in any event there seems to be a 'chill' between the two of them that does not exist with Fed & Rafa. . jmho fwiw.

. .Tennis doesn't build character, .it reveals it (or lack thereof).

. .If you had a set of balls, you would be well-served having them kicked. . Lucky for you you don't.

. .atta boy

. .edit: . atta fanboy

. . Awesome little "coping mechanism" you got there.... : ) .

. .Now, any way you can shoehorn "Won the Last Point" into your statistical "Stress Ball?" .....it's a fail-safe strategy suitable for any occasion.

Few good observations into Djoko's choice of words.

However I'd say it would be really weird if Nadal or Djokovic didn't have some low key hopes of breaking the record. And also I'm not sure I'd want to give too much respect to an opponent you mean to beat in the future.

Dedans Penthouse · Jul 15, 2019

Red Rick said:
Few good observations into Djoko's choice of words.

However I'd say it would be really weird if Nadal or Djokovic didn't have some low key hopes of breaking the record. And also I'm not sure I'd want to give too much respect to an opponent you mean to beat in the future.

Few? . Try MANY Jack!! : )

And yes, being the competitors that they are both Rafa and Djoko are definitely targeting '20' but in the case of Nadal, I could see him still being gracious enough to say 'greatest' to Fed (while also playfully busting his chops in the next breath with "but I have more slam titles than you Roger!").

With Djoko, no way - there's a chill between those two. Goes back to Fed telling Djoko's parents to "shaddup!" in Monte Carlo and maybe he finds Djoko's off-beat quirks annoying.

Btw, does Djoko's father look like the Serbian Don Shula?

TheAssassin · Jul 15, 2019

Tiki-Taka said:
I am still away but I just had to drop by for a moment when I have a rare opportunity.

It was such an epic final to witness. Not the highest quality match, but it was still great, and up there with the most dramatic tennis matches I have ever seen in over 30 years of following the sport, and it came in a Wimbledon final, the biggest match of the year. I thought we would get a good spectacle, but nowhere near as good as it turned out.

I admit, it was a bit "annoying" how Djokovic showed up "out of nowhere" a few times when it looked like Rafa would have the world at his feet, but it was still amazing to watch him display such clean and complete tennis game that can beat anyone else. His career story has been inspirational, and I really admired how he managed to make not just a decent career for himself when it looked like he would have to resort to being the third best player forever with Fed and Rafa winning everything, but become their equal as well. We may be in for a less interesting period when the Big 3 retire, however I can tell you right now, the 2010s would have been just as uneventful if Djokovic wasn't there. He has given us so many amazing tennis moments that it doesn't get mentioned enough. Those gladiator battles with Rafa over the years, especially those five setters in Australia and Paris, his consistent superiority in Melbourne, London, a lot of Masters events, beating Federer in back to back Wimbledon finals, displaying a generally high level on all surfaces, making his opponents earn it the hardest way, responding to his toughest French Open loss by winning four consecutive Majors, crowning his domination of the Tour with that elusive Musketeers Cup, realizing even better how hard it was to achieve all that when he went missing for two years, then admiring him even more when he came back and won last year's Wimbledon... All of that while still remaining such a nice, eloquent, down to earth, likable guy off the court, who doesn't take himself so seriously all the time.

But I never thought more highly of him than I do now. He didn't play well. Federer made it even tougher for him by playing well himself, not allowing him to relax even for a minute. And on top of that, he had an entire obnoxious crowd against him as well. He and his box were all alone against everyone. It was quite amazing actually, as I watched the final in Rio in a bar, and most of us actually supported Djokovic. Silly but at the time I wished I could have signaled to him that he is not alone, that there are still plenty of tennis fans who are respectful, who admire his tennis, his champion quality, him as an athlete and as a person.

Just like at the US Open several years back, he faced double match points on Federer's serve. Although this time it was even harder, as it was in a final, on Federer's favorite court. Once again, he faced adversity. And once again, he smiled at that adversity. And he won. I don't think he will ever top Lendl or Nadal as my all-time favorite player, but it's hard to recall when was I happy for any winner as much as for Djokovic at 2019 Wimbledon. I don't care what the stats say, he deserved this title.

Major congratulations to him on his 5th Wimbledon title, and I hope we will see plenty more of him in the future.

Hey man! How is it in Rio? I hope you haven't had any hiccups, because we mentioned you a lot.

Your signals worked. Cheers to you and all the others who rooted for Novak. This was a win to remember forever.

Dilexson · Jul 15, 2019

Novak has stopped using the term 'The greatest' long time ago iirc. Rafa too.
As much as i love Fed it's just cringy to hear that media nonsense from a fellow competitor. Only the nextgen/lost gen guys keep praising him in the press/interviews.

Red Rick · Jul 15, 2019

Dedans Penthouse said:
Few? . Try MANY Jack!! : )

And yes, being the competitors that they are both Rafa and Djoko are definitely targeting '20' but in the case of Nadal, I could see him still being gracious enough to say 'greatest' to Fed (while also playfully busting his chops in the next breath with "but I have more slam titles than you Roger!").

With Djoko, no way - there's a chill between those two. Goes back to Fed telling Djoko's parents to "shaddup!" in Monte Carlo and maybe he finds Djoko's off-beat quirks annoying.

Btw, does Djoko's father look like the Serbian Don Shula?

Oh I don't doubt they don't like each other, but I'm mainly arguing that the choice of words is still rather generic than a sly dig. I think Djokovic' celebration said it all. He didn't need to put it into so many words that he's out for everyone's darling.

veroniquem · Jul 15, 2019

romeo8880 said:
Not really. I take my losses on the chin but Federer dominated the match and won basically every statistical category. He’s just old and no longer clutch in the moments that matter, which is sad.

I was not calling you out on your prediction but on your absurd disregard for the 4 time winner and title holder of the event: "should be a comfortable victory. Today (beating Nadal) was the difficult part".
If you'd rather live in a fantasy world where the only rivalry at the top is Federer/Nadal (aka pre-2011) and Djoko never even happened, that is entirely your right but if you post to that effect on a public board, then expect the other people who live in the real world to call you out on it. Outside of clay and bar his injury season (2017), the man to beat is Djokovic, not Nadal, which is why Fed is 7-0 in his last 7 matches vs Nadal off clay but 1-6 vs Djokovic. You have every right not to like Djoko. Still, claiming Djoko should be a lot easier opponent for Fed than Nadal on grass is so far removed from current reality that it can only be deemed foolish or trollish.

Dedans Penthouse · Jul 15, 2019

Red Rick said:
Oh I don't doubt they don't like each other, but I'm mainly arguing that the choice of words is still rather generic than a sly dig. I think Djokovic' celebration said it all. He didn't need to put it into so many words that he's out for everyone's darling.

Got it.

Beacon Hill · Jul 15, 2019

sunny_cali said:
Given his age and opponent, his ground game was just a tad worse compared to Wimbledon 2012. In short it was as good as it can get now. Without a decent ground game he could not have broken back twice in the 5th and then nearly again at 11-11.. sadly he turned into a mental midget for those 4 points.

His serve should decline the least and the slowest, unless he gets a shoulder injury. His ground game will probably be brilliant sometimes, average most of the time, and subpar more and more often. It will be very hard to play seven good matches in a row, so he'll have to have a good draw or be very fortunate to win another major. He was almost very fortunate this Wimbledon, with a decent early draw, a great match against Nadal, and facing a subpar Djokovic in the final. Unlikely, but possible this could happen again. He was one good serve away, and odds are that's the closest he'll get again.

Beacon Hill · Jul 15, 2019

Rickenbacker4003 said:
Joker's biggest weapon in this match was his efficiency and there's no stat sheet for that. His ability to absorb an attacking strategy on grass no less is remarkable. Add his return of serve as well. He took everything, short slices, deep slices, deep and high spin, then flat, etc. and he brought it all back and deep enough to avoid giving too many sitters. All while Fed was super determined and rarely had dips in peformance. Really one of his 3 best victories.

Djokovic did all of that well for a lot of the match. Federer also gave away a lot of points with bad UEs. There were often dips about every three or four shots for Federer.

veroniquem · Jul 15, 2019

Picmun said:

How is bad boy/loud mouth KG recovering from that win? Hope he stocked up on prozac?

veroniquem · Jul 15, 2019

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:

Absolute gold! Thank you for the quotes. This thread truly delivered in the "not so fast" department

Picmun · Jul 15, 2019

veroniquem said:
How is bad boy/loud mouth KG recovering from that win? Hope he stocked up on prozac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/tennis/48843740

Rina · Jul 15, 2019

Dedans Penthouse said:
Few? . Try MANY Jack!! : )

And yes, being the competitors that they are both Rafa and Djoko are definitely targeting '20' but in the case of Nadal, I could see him still being gracious enough to say 'greatest' to Fed (while also playfully busting his chops in the next breath with "but I have more slam titles than you Roger!").

With Djoko, no way - there's a chill between those two. Goes back to Fed telling Djoko's parents to "shaddup!" in Monte Carlo and maybe he finds Djoko's off-beat quirks annoying.

Btw, does Djoko's father look like the Serbian Don Shula?

His father is a tool. Can't stand him, I suspect for a while Novak couldn't stand him either. Might be a reason Jelena wasn't there. Grandparents came to watch kids(you know cause no nannies any more!) and then they bailed on her and decided to go and watch.
His dad is not liked in Serbia at all.

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EzekielTennis · Jul 15, 2019

This has been an entertaining 101 page thread. Congrats Djokovic! Unreal!

Tiki-Taka · Jul 15, 2019

TheAssassin said:
Hey man! How is it in Rio? I hope you haven't had any hiccups, because we mentioned you a lot.

Your signals worked. Cheers to you and all the others who rooted for Novak. This was a win to remember forever.

It's been one of the best experiences I have ever had honestly, but won't go through details now. I will return home in a couple of days, then after finishing all the other plans I will join you all again in early August. Whatever the reasons were for mentioning me, I better not find anything from the lads in that conversation that would disgust me.

It really was. Incredible display of mental strength from Novak.

romeo8880 · Jul 15, 2019

Dedans Penthouse said:
@Steve0904 @tennisaddict @luvly @kishnabe @True Fanerer: props to you all. . You guys are all worthy of your Fed avatars - class posts. Again, props

. .For the others who used the words "pathetic" and "choke" (major overkill on both) and "(Fed) needs a shrink": . there you were, sitting on your fanboy fannies while Federer battled his heart out for 5 hours in a pressure-packed atmosphere only to have you (with your scrambled-brain insults) inferring that FED's the one in need of a shrink?

. "~~Physician~~ fanboy, go heal thyself." . . . (fanboys to DP: ."dedans go 'phuck' thyself" in 3...2...1..) . : )

Yes, Fed was incredible. . And while we're going 'Deutsche' (and not 'Dutch') I'll have a liverwurst on rye while you're at it. . Danke. . : )

. ."Game, set & match" : this post.

. .Robbery? Looks like the Brain Police stole what few brains cells you can still claim as your own.

. .Either way, I hereby dub thee QUEENCLOWN, the CLOWNofQUEENS.

. .Promise?

NatF, appropriate speeches paying the lip service "respect" angle as such but I also saw a tense-bordering-on-disdain "chilliness" between the two. . While Fed comes across as genuinely liking Rafa win or lose (and outside of the psycho Fed/Djoko fanboys who doesn't like him?) me thinks 'Fed no like Djoko' (glaring at Djoko while Djoko gave his 'lip-service' props).

And as far as Djoko himself goes, maybe I read too much into his on-court post-match interview when he didn't refer to Fed as "the greatest player" or even "arguably the greatest player" but simply "one of the greatest players" meaning that he put Fed in a 'group' (however small) and with the 'when I'm 37' reference he not-so-subtly gave notice that he's looking to break Fed's grand slam total and claim "greatest" for himself while a "by then retired" Fed can only watch. . Again, maybe I read too much into Djoko's post-match comments but in any event there seems to be a 'chill' between the two of them that does not exist with Fed & Rafa. . jmho fwiw.

. .Tennis doesn't build character, .it reveals it (or lack thereof). . Me, I'm no friggin' prize but this Fed-bashing crap is for the birds...and by Fed's fanboys no less. . Bad enough they denigrate anyone other than "my favourite male tennis idol," these cannibalistic nitwits aren't even above "eating their own." . Tennis for tots by twits as twats.

. .If you had a set of balls, you would be well-served having them kicked. . Lucky for you, .you don't.

. .atta boy

. .edit: . atta fanboy

. . Awesome little "coping mechanism" you got there.... .

. .Now, any way you can shoehorn "Won the Last Point" into your statistical "Stress Ball?" .....it's a fail-safe strategy suitable for any occasion.

You should be permanently banned from all forums on the internet. Thankfully you don’t post a lot.

romeo8880 · Jul 15, 2019

veroniquem said:
I was not calling you out on your prediction but on your absurd disregard for the 4 time winner and title holder of the event: "should be a comfortable victory. Today (beating Nadal) was the difficult part".
If you'd rather live in a fantasy world where the only rivalry at the top is Federer/Nadal (aka pre-2011) and Djoko never even happened, that is entirely your right but if you post to that effect on a public board, then expect the other people who live in the real world to call you out on it. Outside of clay and bar his injury season (2017), the man to beat is Djokovic, not Nadal, which is why Fed is 7-0 in his last 7 matches vs Nadal off clay but 1-6 vs Djokovic. You have every right not to like Djoko. Still, claiming Djoko should be a lot easier opponent for Fed than Nadal on grass is so far removed from current reality that it can only be deemed foolish or trollish.

That’s fair and unfortunately it is the current landscape of tennis and has been for many years now. Djokovic has been the best. However, in regards to the big picture and GOAT discussions, I just listened to Tony Kornheiser and another gentleman on espn on the show “pardon the interruption” and he agreed with my thought process that the only reason Djokovic is winning all these slams is Bc Federer is way past his prime (which anybody who follows the sport already knows) and isn’t nearly what he used to be. Doesn’t happen if he’s not playing a watered down version of the GOAT. He’s obviously VERY good Djokovic, but he’s NOT Federer.

veroniquem · Jul 15, 2019

romeo8880 said:
That’s fair and unfortunately it is the current landscape of tennis and has been for many years now. Djokovic has been the best. However, in regards to the big picture and GOAT discussions, I just listened to Tony Kornheiser and another gentleman on espn on the show “pardon the interruption” and he agreed with my thought process that the only reason Djokovic is winning all these slams is Bc Federer is way past his prime (which anybody who follows the sport already knows) and isn’t nearly what he used to be. Doesn’t happen if he’s not playing a watered down version of the GOAT. He’s obviously VERY good Djokovic, but he’s NOT Federer.

Sour grapes.

uscwang · Jul 15, 2019

romeo8880 said:
That’s fair and unfortunately it is the current landscape of tennis and has been for many years now. Djokovic has been the best. However, in regards to the big picture and GOAT discussions, I just listened to Tony Kornheiser and another gentleman on espn on the show “pardon the interruption” and he agreed with my thought process that the only reason Djokovic is winning all these slams is Bc Federer is way past his prime (which anybody who follows the sport already knows) and isn’t nearly what he used to be. Doesn’t happen if he’s not playing a watered down version of the GOAT. He’s obviously VERY good Djokovic, but he’s NOT Federer.

That's powerful. Take it once a day with meal.

Martin J · Jul 15, 2019

Rina said:
His father is a tool. Can't stand him, I suspect for a while Novak couldn't stand him either. Might be a reason Jelena wasn't there. Grandparents came to watch kids(you know cause no nannies any more!) and then they bailed on her and decided to go and watch.
His dad is not liked in Serbia at all.

Yep, Srdjan is a great father as he sacrificed a lot in order to provide his son, a promising talent, with the best possible conditions for training. He deserves a lot credits for that as not many people are ready to give up on a good life and take a big risk as he did.

However, when it comes to his behavior, I can't stand him (and his brother as well) since the Viskovic case and due to many rude comments he's given when his arrogance hit the roof. He (and his drunk brother) acted like true mobs and that's simply unforgivable, especially since Nebojsa is such a cool guy. And you are right, people in Serbia (in general and from my experience) don't like him thanks to his behavior.

powerangle · Jul 15, 2019

romeo8880 said:
That’s fair and unfortunately it is the current landscape of tennis and has been for many years now. Djokovic has been the best. However, in regards to the big picture and GOAT discussions, I just listened to Tony Kornheiser and another gentleman on espn on the show “pardon the interruption” and he agreed with my thought process that the only reason Djokovic is winning all these slams is Bc Federer is way past his prime (which anybody who follows the sport already knows) and isn’t nearly what he used to be. Doesn’t happen if he’s not playing a watered down version of the GOAT. He’s obviously VERY good Djokovic, but he’s NOT Federer.

But that's the thing. No one here claimed that Novak is better than a peak/prime Federer. You're going on a tangent now.

It was your original post here that stated that Federer (in his current older/non-prime version) would still beat Novak is three comfortable sets. THAT is what we are calling you out on.

But because you got called out on that...you're now getting defensive with the whole "well peak/prime/non-watered down version would have beaten Novak comfortably...and, and, and that's the reason Djokovic is winning all these slams!...so there's that!"

Sorry, but I'm just calling a spade a spade. Your prediction was way off when you thought the watered down/old version of Fed would still beat Novak comfortably in three sets.

powerangle · Jul 15, 2019

veroniquem said:
I was not calling you out on your prediction but on your absurd disregard for the 4 time winner and title holder of the event: "should be a comfortable victory. Today (beating Nadal) was the difficult part".
If you'd rather live in a fantasy world where the only rivalry at the top is Federer/Nadal (aka pre-2011) and Djoko never even happened, that is entirely your right but if you post to that effect on a public board, then expect the other people who live in the real world to call you out on it. Outside of clay and bar his injury season (2017), the man to beat is Djokovic, not Nadal, which is why Fed is 7-0 in his last 7 matches vs Nadal off clay but 1-6 vs Djokovic. You have every right not to like Djoko. Still, claiming Djoko should be a lot easier opponent for Fed than Nadal on grass is so far removed from current reality that it can only be deemed foolish or trollish.

veroniquem said:
Sour grapes.

He changed his tune to a whole other topic. People are just calling out on his original (wrong) prediction, but he resorted to this "but prime Federer would have beaten Novak! So Fed is greater! Rah rah!" shtick. That's not even what he was called out on.

3fees · Jul 15, 2019

Cheers
3Fees

vex · Jul 15, 2019

robthai said:
I want to see heartbreak on Novaks parents faces

This has got to be one of the GOAT posts. Has there ever been a post where literally 30 seconds later you get punted in the balls this hard? Literally WRECKED

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

Beacon Hill said:
Federer rarely looked comfortable, and overall did not play well. Djokovic often did not play at a high level either. Lots of drama and in 5 hours there will of course be some great shots, but the match was not close to either of their best efforts. The most shocking part was Federer not losing 8 points in a row after failing to serve it out. Hats off to him for being mentally tough and fighting, even when not playing well. That would not have happened for most of his career.

Finally, someone who gets it! The drama was great, but the level of play mediocre. Fed's nerves and unforced errors on big points were painful to watch...

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

bluetrain4 said:
I still can't get over Fed serving for the match up 40-15. I mean, it happens, people get broken when closing out the match. But, it all happened so casually - maybe one of those four points was a good point, the others were just mundane. I would have expected that once it got back to deuce there would have been a few back and forth ad points before he got broken. But, it was just a sudden, quick, four relatively mundane points and he's broken,

Yeah unfortunately Fed was probably too shocked and nervous when Djoko came back to deuce because of the past trauma of losing twice to Novak in similar scenarios at the USO...

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

merwy said:
Both match points were pathetic from him tactically speaking. The first point he seemed too nervous to move. Just showed horrible footwork there and was way too late for a ball that came at his body. The second point was a Roddick-like approach without any sting. In both match points he neither tried to hit a winner, neither did he seemed he push Novak to force an UE from him. He basically gave those two points away.

It hurts to admit it, but you're 100% right... If Djoko had produced something special, the loss would be easier to accept.

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

Nostradamus said:
not sure if you can call 20 majors, screwing up. anyway, they should strip Novak of the title and give it to roger. Stats say Roger won by a mile

Without the chokes, Fed would have at least 3 more slams.

CYGS · Jul 15, 2019

Fugazi said:
Without the chokes, Fed would have at least 3 more slams.

Fed is the GOAT of ifs and buts

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

Tennisgods said:
Harsh. Nothing weak about Federer. Praise Djokovic’s mental strength all you like as you’d be right, but Federer has proved his mental strength time and again. He faltered this time.

He faltered many, many times... Tough mentally, yes, in that he never gives up. But quite bad at holding his nerve in the big moments. He's built like that, very sensitive and emotional, and the excessive rush of adrenaline in those situations isn't compatible with the relaxed grace needed to play his game.

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

CYGS said:
Fed is the GOAT of ifs and buts

Not sure what you're getting at. Just stating a fact about Fed's biggest weakness, aka not being very good at holding his nerve in the big moments. Am I wrong?

Beacon Hill · Jul 15, 2019

Fugazi said:
He faltered many, many times... Tough mentally, yes, in that he never gives up. But quite bad at holding his nerve in the big moments. He's built like that, very sensitive and emotional, and the excessive rush of adrenaline in those situations isn't compatible with the relaxed grace needed to play like he plays.

He actually used to give up too. When Djokovic hit his lucky return on match point at 40-15 at the US Open, Federer barely won a point afterwards. He was done. Same when he missed a drop shot at the French Open against Nadal to go up a double break.

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

Rago said:
I wrote this in the Nishikori thread and warned Fed fans and it turned out to be right.

@Steve0904 Mate, I kept telling you about something like this and Federer cracking. This is not due to age or something; a player either has the ability to play the big points well or he doesn't. Federer doesn't. It has happened too many times for it to be some coincidence or something.

Unfortunately you are right... Beating Rafa in the 5th at 2018 AO after being down 3-1 was an epic exception to the rule though.

Fugazi · Jul 15, 2019

Beacon Hill said:
He actually used to give up too. When Djokovic hit his lucky return on match point at 40-15 at the US Open, Federer barely won a point afterwards. He was done. Same when he missed a drop shot at the French Open against Nadal to go up a double break.

Not sure this qualifies as giving up, but he was certainly shocked and broken at that point.

Beacon Hill · Jul 15, 2019

Fugazi said:
Unfortunately you are right... Beating Rafa in the 5th at 2018 AO after being down 3-1 was an epic exception to the rule though.

He used to play big points well against players like Roddick. So it's not universal. He obviously had a mental block against Nadal, because with his skill set, he should have been able to usually beat Nadal on grass and hardcourts, and at least be even on clay. He seems to have solved that, but now it looks like he may have one against Djokovic. But he didn't used to. It's hard to understand.

Beacon Hill · Jul 15, 2019

Fugazi said:
Not sure this qualifies as giving up, but he was certainly shocked and broken at that point.

That's a fine line, but I see what you are saying.

Midaso240 · Jul 16, 2019

Beacon Hill said:
He used to play big points well against players like Roddick. So it's not universal. He obviously had a mental block against Nadal, because with his skill set, he should have been able to usually beat Nadal on grass and hardcourts, and at least be even on clay. He seems to have solved that, but now it looks like he may have one against Djokovic. But he didn't used to. It's hard to understand.

I think it's just that Djokovic can play a less-risky style of game in the big moments,I think I saw a stat that said in the 3 tiebreakers the unforced errors count was Federer 11,Djokovic 0

zep · Jul 16, 2019

Beacon Hill said:
He used to play big points well against players like Roddick. So it's not universal. He obviously had a mental block against Nadal, because with his skill set, he should have been able to usually beat Nadal on grass and hardcourts, and at least be even on clay. He seems to have solved that, but now it looks like he may have one against Djokovic. But he didn't used to. It's hard to understand.

Federer solving the Nadal problem has a lot to do with Nadal's decline too, both mental and physical. Nadal was the best big point player till 2013-14. But now he's nowhere near that. He makes routine UE on big points even against lesser players. He usually wins those matches because he just creates more chances. Nadal had mutiple chances to come back both in set 3 and 4 the other day and he would not have missed those chances when he was in his prime. In terms of physical decline, his lateral movement has significantly declined and he's often caught out of position when stretched wide. Federer has just exploited those weaknesses. People talk a lot about Federer's improved BH being a factor, and that's true to an extent but that's not the only factor. Against Djokovic Federer doesn't have those luxuries.

Nostradamus · Jul 16, 2019

Fugazi said:
Without the chokes, Fed would have at least 3 more slams.

Now I do remember the US open where he had match points against Novak and lost it. but back then Novak just ripped some winners that roger could do nothing about. but this time at Wimbledon, roger seem to have missed some shots

Fugazi · Jul 16, 2019

Nostradamus said:
Now I do remember the US open where he had match points against Novak and lost it. but back then Novak just ripped some winners that roger could do nothing about. but this time at Wimbledon, roger seem to have missed some shots[/QUOTE
At the USO, Novak hit one blistering FH winner off a weak first serve at 40-15, then at 40-30 returned a body serve short and low, which Fed hit in the net. Then Fed was stunned and the momentum quickly shifted. Quite similar to Wimbledon 2019 really.

At the USO, Novak hit one blistering FH winner off a weak first serve at 40-15, then at 40-30 returned a body serve short and low, which Fed hit in the net. Then Fed was stunned and the momentum quickly shifted. Quite similar to Wimbledon 2019 really. Not a major choke perhaps, but not what one would expect from the GOAT. This vulnerability is fascinating though... He's a genius, yet he's so sensitive and prone to these bouts of paralyzing anxiety.

Fugazi · Jul 16, 2019

Beacon Hill said:
He used to play big points well against players like Roddick. So it's not universal. He obviously had a mental block against Nadal, because with his skill set, he should have been able to usually beat Nadal on grass and hardcourts, and at least be even on clay. He seems to have solved that, but now it looks like he may have one against Djokovic. But he didn't used to. It's hard to understand.

True about Roddick, but Fed was so much better overall, and Roddick was not that strong mentally either.

Nostradamus · Jul 16, 2019

Fugazi said:
At the USO, Novak hit one blistering FH winner off a weak first serve at 40-15, then at 40-30 returned a body serve short and low, which Fed hit in the net. Then Fed was stunned and the momentum quickly shifted. Quite similar to Wimbledon 2019 really. Not a major choke perhaps, but not what one would expect from the GOAT. This vulnerability is fascinating though... He's a genius, yet he's so sensitive and prone to these bouts of paralyzing anxiety.

maybe that memory came back into Roger's subconciousness and that was the reason why roger choked at wimby. As tennis player, something like that can comeback and haunt you when you are playing the same opponent. You become hesistant when that situation comes up again. and roger sure seem hesistant when he had 2 match points again at wimby

Red Rick · Jul 16, 2019

threehandedbackhand said:
Official Wimbledon YouTube channel 27 hours after the final.

Novak Djokovic Wimbledon 2019 Winner's Speech
370K views

Roger Federer Wimbledon 2019 Runner-Up Speech
568K views

Novak Djokovic Winner's Press Conference Wimbledon 2019
397K views

Roger Federer Runner-Up Press Conference Wimbledon 2019
704K views

Federer always more attractive.
Even as a loser.

Lol.

Red Rick · Jul 16, 2019

Fugazi said:
True about Roddick, but Fed was so much better overall, and Roddick was not that strong mentally either.

Yeah sadly Roddick had far more crazy losses than crazy wins.

I don't think people talk about this much cause Roddick abandoned the game that made him a threat in the first place in 2005 and because his greatest losses were matches he was expected to lose anyway

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