"The Dream is to win Roland Garros AGAIN" -- Roger Federer

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Well mate I think its better as a fantasy. I would love to see it come true obviously but I really fear for Roger stepping on clay. Its a tough decision considering all the things that has transpired with him skipping Clay last year and winning Wimby and him taking up Montreal and injuring the back. Also the consequences of the decision for his career, his form, Wimby around the corner, Nadal's form, Nadal's record on the surface, Roger's knee, the fact that his career might be very close to the end and a thousand different things. I guess we will never know what is better. Moreover the guy knows best. I think he should listen to his heart.
And about this statement he made I feel its more of a wish than a realistic scenario from his side. But who knows?? Fed's the GOAT at proving people wrong.

True. I come from a science background, the idea of finding something that disproves a theory is how you progress towards strong ideas.

Fed has been disproving theory about modern tennis quite a bit recently, it’s wonderfully exciting.

He knows what’s best for him, if it happens to result in a clay season I’d love for him to go about trying his new game, and wish him all the success with it.
 

ak24alive

Legend
True. I come from a science background, the idea of finding something that disproves a theory is how you progress towards strong ideas.

Fed has been disproving theory about modern tennis quite a bit recently, it’s wonderfully exciting.

He knows what’s best for him, if it happens to result in a clay season I’d love for him to go about trying his new game, and wish him all the success with it.
I have never been as eager to be proved wrong my whole life..
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I guess you would have Federer just shut it down after Wimbledon since he has not won the US Open since 2008.
You know, preserve the legacy.
Again, child, check the win %.

And also reference the recent article where his physio said clay is tough on his body.

Fed’s schedule worked out great last yr - you haven’t given 1 good reason he should play clay.
 
I’m interested to see how good 2017-2018 Fed would be on clay. Much better off both wings than in 2015. He basically S&V his way to Rome final and RG QF that year and got owned by ball basher Wawrinka and elite baseline Djokovic.

Seeing how the mixture of more aggressive backhand and new equipment holds up on clay would definitely be interesting. We never got a chance to see it.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Well put. He's desperate for a Federer injury and he's sulking at the thought of Federer keeping himself fresh for Wimbledon.

No one cares about a player being scared to play because of injury LOL any decent tennis fan wants all the top players playing other than single minded 'player' fans, who actually don't want their 'man' to play incase he gets injured. You wouldn't get **** like this in any sports. It seems tennis 'fans' are full of snobbery.

I thought those days were gone.
 
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I guess you would have Federer just shut it down after Wimbledon since he has not won the US Open since 2008.
You know, preserve the legacy.

Try not to get too worked about it - I've been through the wash-rinse-repeat cycle several times here:

*clay is terrible for joints!"
*medical report LAST YEAR cleared him to play - Fed was thisclose to playing"

*scheduling worked out awesome!"
*perhaps he can do even better. He tailed off after Wimbledon"

*it's all about the big titles - the slams baby!*
*yes, it is. thats why he should play, you know, the slams*

*will affect his chances at Wimbledon!*
*might affect his chances. Only Fed can evaluate*

*he has zero chances on clay!*
*you haven't seen him on clay pre 2017, I think there's every reason to think he has a deep run at RG*

*he'll just lose to Rafa anyway!*
*and? he might win*

*Rafa is clay god! It's not possible!*
*So because its not possible he only enters tournaments he wins?*

*of course!*
*what about the fact he won RG more recently than USO?*

*semi finals! quarter finals! its all about the percentage baby!*
*so its also about deep runs?*

*yes! I mean no! Yes! no!*
*are you sure you even like Federer?*

*troll! you just want him to get injured! You are a Rafa fan!*
*er, I'm saying if he enters RG he probably thinks he has a chance. And as a FedFan well, I'd love for it to happen*

*Rafa fan!*
*I'm the guy actually rooting for Fed here*

*trolololololololo!*

Really, I've put so many FedFans on ignore recently its made life a bit easier. These are choppy waters. Its fine going around endlessly in circles making little progress, I guess some people enjoy having conversations that way.

But if you find yourself vexed or getting impatient well, not to worry, you aren't the only one here.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Let’s give Fed the final word (and don’t forget where this was or what he thinks about the country’s fans):

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No one cares about a player being scared to play because of injury LOL any decent tennis fan wants all the top players playing other than single minded 'player' fans, who actually don't want their 'man' to play incase he gets injured. You wouldn't get **** like this in any sports. It seems tennis 'fans' are full of snobbery.

I thought those days were gone.

Sorry to keep correcting you on this but it's "...scared to play because he might lose..."

If you have the patience to distill their arguments enough you eventually reach the above.


Here's the damning article none of the guys that go on about injury like to bring up:

I think he won't. Because this is what he said about last year's decision:

During all that, you make the decision of not playing on clay …

– Yes. Late on, actually. Because I was on clay. I told myself: I’ll see how I feel, where I’m at. Honestly, it was a coin-flip situation. I remember exactly where we were and how we decided. My entourage told me: ‘If you do it, Roger, think it over carefully. Because it will be a month where you’ll work like crazy. It won’t be easy, and what will it get you? Because if you don’t win Roland … And my physio was worried about my knee that had bugged me the year before. My conditioning coach, Pierre [Paganini] told me: ‘Listen, there’s so much work to do before playing on clay, and, in the end, what’s the goal? Just playing? It’s your decision.’ The coaches told me: if the priority is Wimbledon, you have to really think about it. Twenty-four hours later, I told myself: bah, you know what? OK, it’s tough, but it’s wise. It was the first time in my life I said no to a Slam while feeling healthy. Because the year before I pulled out of Roland with a bad back and knee, and I couldn’t play the US Open because of the knee. There was a solid reason each time. But this was a first and it was weird, yeah …


In hindsight, wasn’t it the best decision you made this year?


– No, no. It doesn’t give me any pleasure withdrawing from a tournament. I’m still a competitor. In hindsight, it wasn’t a bad decision, but it wasn’t a good one either, if it had turned out I could play on clay anyway, and still play on grass after, like I’ve done my whole career, in fact. Even in hindsight, I see what you mean, but I won’t accept it. It was an important and difficult decision to make because I was healthy.

Sounds to me like someone who instinctively regrets a decision that had to be made but also realises it was correct. And that logic applies just as much this year if not more.

Full interview:

https://tennistranslations.wordpress.com/2017/12/

He was cleared LAST year for RG by the very same medical team.
 
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kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Perfect.

How on earth you call yourself a fan and not want him to enter the biggest tournaments is also beyond my ability to comprehend.

Yep or even any of the top players.

Ive been to several tournaments the past few years, and am disappointed when Djokovic, Federer, Murray, or Nadal aren't competing.
Clearly these people are only fans of a guy so they can come on the internet and argue about a stupid slam record, rather than actually wanting to see the guy play.
 
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Yep or even any of the top players.

Ive been to several tournaments the past few years, and am disappointed when Djokovic, Federer, Murray, or Nadal aren't competing.
Clearly these people are only fans of a guy so they can come on the internet and argue about a stupid slam record, rather than actually wanting to see the guy play.

That's a good point you just made. I make it a habit to catch tournaments myself, its much more enjoyable seeing the best players go at it in a match. I don't even see how this most obvious truism can even be argued about. Would you really rather see the Warriors against the hapless Knicks for an easy win? Or against the Houston Rockets?

What even is the point of sports if there's no spirt for competition?

Maybe you're right. There could be a difference between those of us that attend tournaments and those that read/watch it on television. I don't know - perhaps I'm reaching - its just head scratching how anyone could not want the best players in the biggest tournaments.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
He;s probably saying he might play it so that if Nadal for any reason pulls out, he can go and play it without it looking like that he suddenly changed his mind based on that
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
He was cleared LAST year for RG by the very same medical team.

umm, no , he wasn't. He was said to be healthy in general. Not the same as saying he'd be comfortable/healthy playing on clay post his operation.

Unless Federer says he's played/practised on clay and feels comfortable on it , stop BSing and whining that other Federer fans don't want Federer play on clay and stop with this "I am a Federer fan, but many other Federer fans are evil" shtick.

it just cuts a sorry figure.
 
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moonballs

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I am sure Federer is fully aware of what I said, since he lived through it. For him, two things matter the most IMO, longevity and ensuring Nadal does not break the slam record. Longevity achieved by avoiding the surfaces that are the most unsettling for his near 37 year old body, and keeping the slam record safe by ensuring that he is peaking for the slam he is more likely to win - Wimbledon - to keep Nadal at bay, than to try fulfilling a dream.

Ultimately, what is seen as more important? A second RG? But don't some Fed fans say DCS is just made up trivia by Nadal fans. OR. Holding onto the one thing he has worked his whole career for, and is seen as defining who is the greatest during this era...The Slam record? And where is he more likely to add to it, RG or W?
Fully agree. 2nd RG doesn’t make any records while another win in any of the three other slams are all setting records.
 
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umm, no , he wasn't. He was said to be healthy in general. Not the same as saying he'd be comfortable/healthy playing on clay post his operation.

Unless Federer says he's played/practised on clay and feels comfortable on it , stop BSing and whining that other Federer fans don't want Federer play on clay and stop with this "I am a Federer fan, but many other Federer fans are evil" shtick.

it just cuts a sorry figure.

uh, okay. The "its not something" argument

Let's talk about what is:

What's your interpretation of the below?

"It was the first time in my life I said no to a Slam while feeling healthy. Because the year before I pulled out of Roland with a bad back and knee, and I couldn’t play the US Open because of the knee. There was a solid reason each time. But this was a first and it was weird, yeah …"

My interpretation pretty much takes it as face value - healthy means well, healthy.

I find it simpler to work with what's said then what isn't.

Also, what is the intent here? Terms like "whining", "shtick", "BS'ing" aren't at all constructive, I'm sure you must already know this.

If the intent is hostility and/or antagonism, that's fine, you can block me, or I'll block you. We don't really need to see each other's posts. The first time it felt a bit strange but I find it actually works rather nicely. There's nothing in the world that says two people must get along, its perfectly fine not to.
 
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chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Let's not forget he's not doing this to please immature Nadal fans (not the good ones) who would like to see Federer failing miserably, but if he decides to participate in RG, he'll just want to enjoy it and win it. If he's serious about RG, he can play MC and test the water. He will have plenty of time to rest and assess, and if he is still confident, he just plays RG without tune up events and just use the 1st week as tune up. If he loses early, so be it, he can start preparing for the grass. If he goes deep or even wins it, he can take a week off, play Halle, have 1 week off then play Wimbledon.

I will feel like Rogi funnily have trolled immature VBs if he pulls out of RG at the last minute after all this talk about wanting to play there, though.
 
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