The "What's Wrong With Her?" Thread

Here we can discuss WTA players that for whatever reason just can't seem to get it together. This could be due to a minor or major slump, inconsistent results, mental fragility, not living up to the hype, a combination of things, etc.

Feel free to agree/disagree as well as suggest others to be included




List:
Emeritus
Dementieva
Schnyder
Chakvetadze
Safina
Hingis
Capriati
Petrova
Li

Powers That Be
Kuznetsova (C.E.O.)
Zvonareva (Secretary of Diplomacy)
Piotr Wozniacki (Controller)
Stosur (Homeland Security Chief)
Robert Radwanski (Director of Public Relations)
Sergio Giorgi (Treasury Secretary)

Middle Management
Stephens (Just so she won't feel disrespected.)
Pavlyuchenkova (Minnie Mouse princess.)
Radwanska (With Wozniacki's help, she seized a spot while Kvitova was celebrating another Wimbledon.)

Rank and File
Lisicki (Sweet face, erratic tendencies.)
Goerges (Working hard to get to middle management.)
Cirstea (Nothing has changed with her. Poster child for a BBB.)
Hradecka (There's got to be some small tournament you can win.)
Pironkova (Call it a promotion for her.)
Barthel (Fitting in with the German Headcase Brigade.)
Jovanovski (Still looking for her brain.)
Vandeweghe (Will the taste of victory get her going?)


The Young and the Restless
Robson
Mladenovic
Garcia
Watson

Left For Dead....even the vultures don't want them
Rezai
Peer
Oudin
Wickmayer
Paszek
Gajdosova

On Parole
Kirilenko
McHale
Ivanovic
Suarez Navarro
Kvitova
Makarova
Safarova

Drama queens:
Jankovic (You have a pulse after all!)
Sharapova (Just pretend that Serena is anybody but Serena.)

Matches to watch 2009-present (best if you are brave or bored):
Azarenka vs Li Tokyo 2009
Sharapova vs Oudin USO 2009
Dementieva vs Jankovic Cincinnati 2009
Li vs Venus Australian 2010
Pavlyuchenkova vs Vesnina Istanbul
Sharapova vs Dementieva Stanford
Clijsters vs Henin Miami
Kuznetsova vs Serena French
Clijsters vs Kleybanova Indian Wells
Venus vs Serena Miami 2009
Azarenka vs Kanepi Rome
Ivanovic vs Dulko AO
Wickmayer vs Dulgheru AO
Sharapova vs Kirilenko AO
Safina vs Kvitova USO
Sharapova vs Radwanska Stanford
Dementieva vs Stosur USO
Ivanovic vs Makarova AO
Wozniacki vs Jankovic Rome 2011
Schiavone vs Paszek WO 2011
Jankovic vs Sharapova Cincy 2011
Suarez Navarro vs Kanepi Estoril 2012
Lisicki vs Kerber Wimbledon 2012
Kvitova vs Robson AO 2013
Stosur vs Zheng AO 2013
Stephens vs Serena AO 2013
Ivanovic vs Cornet Cincinnati 2013

soyizgood said:

Here we can discuss WTA players that for whatever reason just can't seem to get it together. This could be due to a minor or major slump, inconsistent results, mental fragility, not living up to the hype, a combination of things, etc.

Feel free to agree/disagree as well as suggest others to be included

List:
Safina (just doesn't win on the big stage....Olympic/FO/AO finals)
Kuznetsova (can't win ANY finals even with Henin gone)
Ivanovic (FO '08 looking like a fluke win)
Chakvetadze (has an real excuse for 2008, but not getting it together)
Hantuchova (an under-achieving enigma)
Kirilenko (wins and loses when she's expected to)
Vaidisova (falling apart at 19 and not really giving a care)
Safarova (haven't seen much of her... maybe that's the problem)
Mirza (just use an extreme semi-western forehand then....acts like a diva without the wins to back it up)

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Zheng- 7 inches too short

Dementieva???

Awesome! A player bashing thread! WTA to boot. Subscribed for the lulz.

-Jon

Sharapova (screams too much, neighbors might care.)
Serena (everything.)
Kournikova (doesn't know how to play tennis, other than that perfect.)

soyizgood said:

Here we can discuss WTA players that for whatever reason just can't seem to get it together. This could be due to a minor or major slump, inconsistent results, mental fragility, not living up to the hype, a combination of things, etc.

Feel free to agree/disagree as well as suggest others to be included

List:
Safina (just doesn't win on the big stage....Olympic/FO/AO finals)
Kuznetsova (can't win ANY finals even with Henin gone)
Ivanovic (FO '08 looking like a fluke win)
Chakvetadze (has an real excuse for 2008, but not getting it together)
Hantuchova (an under-achieving enigma)
Kirilenko (wins and loses when she's expected to)
Vaidisova (falling apart at 19 and not really giving a care)
Safarova (haven't seen much of her... maybe that's the problem)
Mirza (just use an extreme semi-western forehand then....acts like a diva without the wins to back it up)

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Safina just needs experience. She's getting there.

Kuzzy-Never seems to have a game plan. She seems to think she can outhit and retrieve most balls, but sometimes you have to play to players weaknesses. She doesn't do that.

Ivanovic-I thought was overhyped from the start. Never did see what they saw in her.

Chakvetadze-I don't know what's wrong with her. Maybe the expectations are too much for her.

Hantuchova-struggles with nerves too much. May need to see a sports psychologist.

Kirilenko-maybe she doesn't have enough power. Don't get to see her much since she goes out so early.

Vaidisova-a dang shame.

Safarova-totally disappointed in her. Maybe Berdychitis is rubbing off on her. Afraid of one's own potential.

Mirza-haven't seen her since I saw her live.

Sharapova (mixed feelings)

soyizgood said:

Here we can discuss WTA players that for whatever reason just can't seem to get it together. This could be due to a minor or major slump, inconsistent results, mental fragility, not living up to the hype, a combination of things, etc.

Feel free to agree/disagree as well as suggest others to be included

List:
Safina (just doesn't win on the big stage....Olympic/FO/AO finals)
Kuznetsova (can't win ANY finals even with Henin gone)
Ivanovic (FO '08 looking like a fluke win)
Chakvetadze (has an real excuse for 2008, but not getting it together)
Hantuchova (an under-achieving enigma)
Kirilenko (wins and loses when she's expected to)
Vaidisova (falling apart at 19 and not really giving a care)
Safarova (haven't seen much of her... maybe that's the problem)
Mirza (just use an extreme semi-western forehand then....acts like a diva without the wins to back it up)

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Safina needs to develop the winners Mentality.
Kuznetsova is a headcase, plain and simple, her one slam was a giant fluke and whenever she is in a final 90% of the time her game goes south for the winter.
Ivanovic hasn't been able to recover from whatever happened to her thumb. Chakvetadze and Hantuchova are seemingly scared of the top, the play well until they get to the top ten then fold horribly.
Kirilenko doesn't really have anything special about her game.
Vaidisova has her mind on radek or something.
Safarova and Mirza...no clue at all.
Dementieva needs a complete overhaul of her serve.
Petrova needs to do something to, she hasn't ever been a complete package, she needs to learn to manage her emotions on court because once she gets angry its over.
Szavay seems to be spiraling to...don't know why though

The serbians:

Jankovic (probably serve, volley, slice, drop shot.......everything especially her face)
Ivanovic (her fist pump really irritating everyone)

all it will take is for one WTA player to come in and be dedicated to playing, and be mentally strong, and she will dominate for a few years and make everyone else get it together. it's inevitable. it is a really weak time for the WTA, but i'm not a WTA basher at all. I'm looking forward to someone stirring the pot so the field strengthens up.

OP had me chuckling!
But what do you mean about Mirza acting like a diva ?? (puzzled)

Sentinel said:

OP had me chuckling!
But what do you mean about Mirza acting like a diva ?? (puzzled)

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She causes her own drama in India with some of her outfits, how she makes a big deal about being uncomfortable playing in her country, and a few other quirks. She blames her wrist injuries on her western forehand, but also says she refuses to change her grip.

soyizgood said:

She causes her own drama in India with some of her outfits, how she makes a big deal about being uncomfortable playing in her country, and a few other quirks. She blames her wrist injuries on her western forehand, but also says she refuses to change her grip.

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eh, i think she just dresses like a normal tennis player, even kind of conservative compared to most tennis players. people just started freaking out of their own accord for stupid stuff like when someone held a flag up in front of her feet, and she threatened to not play in India anymore to quiet them down IMO. not really diva-like to me. she just gets annoyed at people in her country who look for reasons to be outraged, just like i do in my own.

YouCantBeSerious said:

Serena (everything.)

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:lol: good one...

addi

I think the organizations supporting the WTA are enabling all this flakey behavior by convincing the ladies that they're weaker in general. They get equal prize money at the majors, yet only play two out of three set matches. Yes, I'm only half joking, but I couldn't resist!

Oh, and by the way, Nadia Petrova and Anna Chakvetadze? Those two are just straight up bananas...

orangettecoleman said:

all it will take is for one WTA player to come in and be dedicated to playing, and be mentally strong, and she will dominate for a few years and make everyone else get it together. it's inevitable. it is a really weak time for the WTA, but i'm not a WTA basher at all. I'm looking forward to someone stirring the pot so the field strengthens up.

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Serena is working on that. I think she may win a calendar slam this year with the WTA in utter chaos and without competition.

i dont see what is wrong with ivanovic boyfriend choices aside! everything looks perfect to me...

^^^ I debated about Bartoli. I kind of gave her a pass for making the AO QF, but in reality she deserves to be on the list. No titles in over two years, terrible 2008, still on the hefty side, and still has her crazy dad as coach. I'll update the list later.

Dementieva has a weird grunt when she hits the ball.

Klippy said:

Dementieva has a weird grunt when she hits the ball.

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Sounds like Whoo-PAH! It's easier on the ears than anything coming from Sharapova, Serena, and at times Safina.

Does Mauresmo deserve being on the list or should I just give her a pass? Golovin has been uninspiring even before her injury.

soyizgood said:

Does Mauresmo deserve being on the list or should I just give her a pass? Golovin has been uninspiring even before her injury.

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Yes, she won two Grand Slams and just totally fell off the map...she was more accomplished than any of these girls however so maybe we can attribute her fall to just not being able to keep up with the hard hitters?

All of the other girls that you listed have mental issues. They ALL lack in the confidence to be able to consistently produce good results. People knock Serena so much for her "arrogance" but hey she has confidence which is why she stands far above these other women

eeytennis said:

Yes, she won two Grand Slams and just totally fell off the map...she was more accomplished than any of these girls however so maybe we can attribute her fall to just not being able to keep up with the hard hitters?

All of the other girls that you listed have mental issues. They ALL lack in the confidence to be able to consistently produce good results. People knock Serena so much for her "arrogance" but hey she has confidence which is why she stands far above these other women

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Mauresmo didn't really play the same after her appendectomy. So injury could be a legit reason. But yeah, her last push was in 2006 beating mentally unstable Henin twice in slam finals.

Kuznetsova- why are you such a headcase. So much talent, such a waste.

Sharapova- why dont you get some proper trainers and doctors who can help keep your shoulder and body together. I dont even like you but the WTA needs you desperately right now. While you are too injured competitively though work on your volleys and net game feverishly since if you run into the Williams on a hot day you will need something new from the last times you played them like that. Also work on some slices, topspins, other options, so those few days your main game style isnt going to win for you that day you dont look as clueless as a blond bimbo standing out wondering what to do next.

Serena- I would tell you to get in better shape but given what is around you now why bother, atleast not until someone or preferably more than one actually steps up. Anyway scary to think what you would do to the mess of a WTA if you really did get in top shape, so come to think of it forget my suggestion for the time being.

Venus- stand up to your sister like a women and champion the way you do to everyone else, like you did at Wimbledon, and like you did not do at the U.S Open. Actually play serious tennis at more than 4 tournaments a year. Your legacy will depend seriously at both, otherwise you will go down as mostly a one tournament (Wimbledon) wonder with only a few odd highlights sprinkled in everywhere else.

Safina- like Kuznetsova you seriously need a sports pyschologist. Stay as far away from your brother as possible, while you are very talented, unlike him you are not so insanely talented to win majors if you keep mimicking the headcase he is. The one thing you should hang around your brother for is to get him to teach you how to serve properly.

Dementieva- revive a friendship with Safina so she will let you get some serving tips from her big brother as well. Hire a hypnotist to make you really believe the semis or finals of a slam when you get there is not that but the final of some smaller WTA touranment and you will be fine. You should also join Maria and work on your volleys, slices and variation shots together.

Ivanovic- like Maria you need to learn what a 2nd and 3rd game plan is. Learn to volley, learn some finesse shots, learn some different spins, learn to construct point. Also remember alot of the attention for glamor you get now will go away if your tennis success does. The off court stuff is nice but keep your priorities straight.

Jankovic- you could tag along with both Dinara and Elena and get some serving lessons. Maybe hire Steffi Graf for some forehand lessons. Ask Navratilova for some volleying tips if you see her sometime. Work hard on improving your game right now as you are about to turn 24 and you are still slamless. Unless some upgrades in your weaponary are made your window isnt going to stay open much longer, even in the current weak womens field.

^^^Kuzzy frustrates me the most. Out of all the Russians, I consider her the most talented of them all.

Effective first and second serves, punishing forehand, solid backhand, fearless (except in finals), efficient at the net, agile and covers the court very well. The biggest weakness in her game is that she is too content to outhit her opponent from the baseline. That and she hits too hard when she gets tense. She hits a lot of spin, but she goes for too much spin and too much power at the same time. Needlessly gives away points with unforced errors.

She's only 23, so she has time to get her brain together. But she is the epitome of a brainless ball basher even though she has the tools to play an all-around game.

As for Venus, she did kick Serena bigtime at the YEC, with a breadstick and bagel to boot. She basically gifted Serena 5 of her slams which is a darn shame as Venus could very well be a 12x slam champ now. I'm no fan of the Williams', but I'd prefer Venus over Serena 9/10 times.

eeytennis said:

Yes, she won two Grand Slams and just totally fell off the map...she was more accomplished than any of these girls however so maybe we can attribute her fall to just not being able to keep up with the hard hitters?

All of the other girls that you listed have mental issues. They ALL lack in the confidence to be able to consistently produce good results. People knock Serena so much for her "arrogance" but hey she has confidence which is why she stands far above these other women

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Mauresmo has always been a bit of a headcase, though not to the degree of Kuznetsova by any means. She has always struggled to perform a bit under pressure an example of which is the fact that at the french open she always seems to exit early against players she should have no problem beating on a given day, the pressure to perform on her home field always has gotten to her.

Mauresmo also has had a tendency towards complacency in a match. She will play lights out tennis for a set and then can go off into some kind of alternate universe and not get back and get pummeled. Or she will start off bad, play a good set then get worse. Now like I said, its not as noticeable when you have a player like Kuznetsova who really melts down under pressure and even more so on the biggest stages.

To me, Mauresmo's slams don't act as much of a defense, since the Australian was sort of handed to her as Clijsters and Henin retired in the Semi's Finals and Finals Respectively...I mean if Schnyder had beaten Mauresmo and hung with Clijsters...she would have "won" the Australian Open. Mauresmo did outright outplay Henin at Wimbledon, but in both of her slam title defenses the pressure of being defending champ seemed to get to her as she folded in both to players she really had no business losing to (Safarova at the Aussie and Vaidisova at Wimbledon).

Mauresmo is a player who I really thought could take the tour by storm when she broke through in 99 to make the Australian open final, only to crack because of some stupid comments Hingis made about her before the match. But she has always been mentally shaky and inconsistant and that has really held her back, I mean she should have won at least 1 slam in 2004. Now since her appendectomy she has gotten even more inconsistant. Which can attributed to the surgury and not being able to get her groove back. But overall yeah she has been a bit of a headcase.

Does Schnyder deserve mention? She almost lost to Mladenovic at the AO and I didn't see anything great from her at this event.

Seems like we can universally agree that Kuznetsova is a headcase, but she's certainly not alone.

soyizgood said:

Does Schnyder deserve mention? She almost lost to Mladenovic at the AO and I didn't see anything great from her at this event.

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Hmmm... I don't think she should be on the list. I actually think Schnyder's achieved all she's capable of achieving, she just doesn't have the potential to do anything else.

Lionheart392 said:

Hmmm... I don't think she should be on the list. I actually think Schnyder's achieved all she's capable of achieving, she just doesn't have the potential to do anything else.

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Hmmm... As recent as last year there were posters here saying Schnyder had the game, but not the mindset. Based on what little I have seen of her, she is more of a counter-puncher and gets blown away when she faces ball-bashers that are in "the zone".

Klippy said:

Dementieva has a weird grunt when she hits the ball.

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Yes. She sounds like George Lopez.

To every woman/girl on tour: Please stop wilting when you play Serena!!!

Sharapova: God am I happy I haven't had to hear or see her in a LONG time. Please stay hurt sweety and do the world a favor.

Kuznetsova...once she learns to deal with the pressure of finals, could become a real force. she truly has a lot of tools at her disposal, she just need to learn some meditation techniques or something to keep her in the zone when she is in a key match or critical moment of a key match. I don't think it would hurt her to get in a little bit better shape as that would help her movement on the court. She has some really good weapons, she just needs to sort her head out and improve her fitness a bit.

Safina..sort of the same without the getting in better shape. Just learn some relaxation tips and to raise your game in big momemts. Safina is however, new to the upper echelon so nerves are to be expected, now that she is so close to number 1 I just think she needs to figure out a way to channel her nerves into something else, to motivate herself in big matches, as her three biggest endeavers (Olympics, RG, AO) were all finished in mighty big flops. She plays well when the chips are down, she needs to transfer that and use that all the time.

Sharapova needs to develop the rest of her game, she has a mighty serve, powerful groundstrokes and a pretty solid forehand, she could probably learn to slice and spin the ball, and she needs to stop swtiching to hit a lefty forehand whenever her backhand is under pressure because that shot always comes off awkward when she tries it and 85% of the time she loses the point shortly after trying it. Also...she is someone who, if she wanted to, could be ademon at net if she could get comfortable up there.

As for the others, some are nearing the end of their careers (Mauresmo, Petrova, Dementieva, Schnyder) and thus really don't have the time to fix everything. some have quite a few things to fix ( Bartoli, Hantuchova, Vaidisova, Chakvetadze) that it is hard to say where to start. But if they really worked at it, any of them could move off the list and eliminate the things we have criticized them about.

soyizgood said:

Here we can discuss WTA players that for whatever reason just can't seem to get it together. This could be due to a minor or major slump, inconsistent results, mental fragility, not living up to the hype, a combination of things, etc.

Feel free to agree/disagree as well as suggest others to be included

List:
Safina (just doesn't win on the big stage....Olympic/FO/AO finals)
Kuznetsova (can't win ANY finals even with Henin gone)
Ivanovic (FO '08 looking like a fluke win, can't stand her "ajde!" and fist-pumps)
Chakvetadze (has an real excuse for 2008, but not getting it together)
Hantuchova (an under-achieving enigma)
Kirilenko (wins and loses when she's expected to)
Vaidisova (falling apart at 19 and not really giving a care)
Safarova (haven't seen much of her... maybe that's the problem)
Mirza (just use an extreme semi-western forehand then....acts like a diva without the wins to back it up)
Mauresmo (playing past her prime, fell off the map after 2006, getting blown away by the younger girls)
Golovin (never saw anything special about her game)

Added per feedback:
Dementieva (though she has two titles to start the year... but yeah her serve is a wildcard)
Petrova (Kuzzy's long lost sister?)
Sharapova (enough with that crazy reverse forehand... not going there on her grunts and moans, weak right shoulder)
Szavay (it's not like I noticed)
Jankovic (plays hard but not smart, truly thinks she's a diva, serve and forehand are pedestrian at best, volleys are just BAD)
Bartoli (grinds to the end but lacks the wheels and resolve to go far, out of shape, still has daddy holding her back)

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Zvonareva - she's either on fire or in tears, no consistency

Bretto said:

Zvonareva - she's either on fire or in tears, no consistency

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I'm trying to be an optimist towards her. She really made some major strides recovering from her injury. Besides, who expected her to win a bronze (took Sharapova's Olympic slot due to injury), make the YEC finals (took out Ivanovic, Kuznetsova, JJ, and Dementieva), and AO semi-finals (lost in 1st rd in 2008 )? I want to believe she's more relaxed and composed. She's got the weapons to win a major. Whether she wins one or not remains to be seen. Since she didn't go far at any majors in 2008, she has the potential to gain a ton of points.

I'll add her to the list, per your request. Though I don't necessarily agree she belongs there, not yet.

Somehow I forgot to add Shahar Peer.

Women's tennis sucks right now. It was obvious to me during the Australian open, that Serena's winning when she was playing maybe 65-70 percent of her best tennis, that the competition is not up to standard. Also they should do something about changing either womens tennis to 3/5 sets or men's tennis to two out of three sets in order to match the equal prizemoney.

^^^ Too much complacency in tennis. At the top, it pays fairly good money, so there's no real incentive to drive their way to the very top. This goes for both the men's and women's tours.

If the Williams' didn't get bored and/or injured, the WTA would be "The Venus and Serena Show" and I don't think there'd be any woman motivated to deter them other than maybe Sharapova and to a lesser extent Jankovic. Opponents have gotten used to losing to Serena so much they just don't build up that motivation factor necessary to exact revenge. That and they know they get $$$ regardless of the outcome, even more if they're cute.

Hantuchova lost to Cornet again. This time Daniela won the first set 6-1 and still went down in defeat.

JJ beat Li Na for the first time in 5 meetings on hardcourt

Zvonareva, Dementieva, Mirza and Peer won their last matches.

Bretto said:

Zvonareva - she's either on fire or in tears, no consistency

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No! That's the consistency you're looking for, either on fire or tears (but tears mostly).

.....hates the wta


except suarez navarro

YouCantBeSerious said:

Sharapova (screams too much, neighbors might care.)

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I think this joke was going around Moscow:
Late at night, screams and other noises from Sharapova's bedroom. Neighbor's wife: whats going on over there? Husband: oh she is just practicing her tennis.

Bartoli bothers me the most. She definitely has some talent, but her lack of physical ability, ridiculous training techniques, and crazy dad coach are so annoying. Why can't these women who make tons of money playing a sport get in freaking shape. Same goes for that tank of a woman who beat Ivanovic. Cut the carbs or something. Hell try a hollywood miracle diet if all else fails. Some of them aren't even trying.

Here's my bit on Safina (even though I love her)...

She has to get over the mental aspects of her game and really let herself believe that she can and deserves to win a Slam. She has the fighter mentality and the proof of that is how many times she's been down multiple match points and come back to win the match herself.

Forehand confidence...Safina relies way too much on her backhand which is too defensive and she doesn't rip it enough. When she lets loose with the forehand she can hit some great shots but she seems too afraid of it because of the times that she does and the shot goes out.

Backhand aggression...it's her go to shot but she doesn't get aggressive enough with it.

The Serve...oh lord. This is the biggest problem. It just needs more pace. Her second serve looks like there is absolutely nothing on it and the big players just eat it for lunch.

At least for this week the "What's Wrong" girls are doing well, excluding Hantuchova.

I'm tempted to add Radwanska on this list (getting THUMPED by Mauresmo). She's on a mini-slump that started late last year.

UPDATE: Radwanska is going on the list after getting beatdown like that.

Radwanska gets bagelled quite a lot for some reason. I remember a few of them:
- Bagelled by Nadia Petrova (6-3 6-0) in Tokyo 2008, despite winning their previous match in Eastbourne. Radwanska beat Petrova soon after Tokyo, in Linz, so I don't know what was wrong with her that day.
- Bagelled by Serena Williams at Wimbledon 2008(6-4 6-0), to be fair Serena was playing a great match and there wasn't much Radwanska could do.
-Bagelled by Marion Bartoli in Stuttgart 2007, but ended up winning the match... draw your own conclusions.
I haven't seen many of her matches so I don't know why, maybe once she gets off to a bad start in a set, her mentality collapses and she just gives up?

Agi is otherwise a consistent, though not great, player. Until she develops some weaponry, she's more or less another Schnyder or Zheng. I've only seen a bit of her, but it seems consistent placement of groundies are her main source of winning.

^^^ Cornet just has a strange looking nose, not her fault. Steffi had a similar issue with her nose and I thought she was a knockout.

EDIT: Looks like the mods had a field day cleaning up posts.

Radwanska's game, from what I have seen, is very particular, if one aspect is off, it all goes off with it. she needs to learn how to figure out what is working on a given day and use that to her advantage, because she doesn't seem to know how to do that on a consistant basis. I have seen her play matches where her forehand (for Example) just isn't doing what she wants it do, but instead of trying to set up to her backhand side, she just keeps hitting that forehand and over and over and just frustrates herself to defeat. Once she learns to play to what is working and her strengths consistantly, I think she could be a top tier player.

Wozniacki might be the next girl to show up on the list. She's on my warning watch.