ATP 2022 Cincinnati Open: Official thread

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Shocking choke from Sinner. He was a point away from going up 6-2,5-2 but let it all fritter away. Didn't even show up in the decider!

Bet FAA couldn't believe his luck but this loss casts serious doubt on Sinner's mental toughness and consistency as a player.

 

[PSNELKE]

No not dumbest thing ever. If your coming off a pitchers mound at 6'11 its a huge advantage. You know nothing about baseball. Honestly.

You know nothing about baseball. The society of american baseball research literally says tall pitchers don't have an advantage lol.

Does a Pitcher’s Height Matter? – Society for American Baseball Research

sabr.org

What's next? Now you wanna claim that 7 footers don't have a MASSIVE advantage and that they can win matches relying solely on their serve? Unscientific as hell

 

[insideguy]

You know nothing about baseball. The society of american baseball research literally says tall pitchers don't have an advantage lol.

Does a Pitcher’s Height Matter? – Society for American Baseball Research

sabr.org

What's next? Now you wanna claim that 7 footers don't have a MASSIVE advantage and that they can win matches relying solely on their serve? Unscientific as hell

Bulcrap. How may 5'8 pitchers are in the Mlb. You are an idiot.

 

[PSNELKE]

Bulcrap. How may 5'8 pitchers are in the Mlb. You are an idiot.

You denying science? And people who dedicate their life studying the game? And you call me an idiot lol

 

[insideguy]

You know nothing about baseball. The society of american baseball research literally says tall pitchers don't have an advantage lol.

Does a Pitcher’s Height Matter? – Society for American Baseball Research

sabr.org

What's next? Now you wanna claim that 7 footers don't have a MASSIVE advantage and that they can win matches relying solely on their serve? Unscientific as hell

And a 7 foot center in basketball has a massive advantage in blocking the freaking ball, and boxing out players. Your a moron. Seriously. Don't give me this nonsense. A tall guy has an advantage on serve but he can't move as well. Which tells you why they haven't won slams. But it makes no difference they have what it takes to play on the ATP tour.

 

[btsjungkook]

It started after Wimby and will continue on an experimental basis through the end of the 2022 season, including USO. No more “I have a daughter” scenarios, no more Apostolos Platopas charades. Tennis joins the remainder of sports where skilled coaches are paid millions to give their athletes input during competition.

Lame.

 

[insideguy]

You denying science? And people who dedicate their life studying the game? And you call me an idiot lol

No you don't know crap. Your a clown. Various physical attributes in any sport gives you an advantage. You have no point. And none of its relevant. If you think Randy Johnson would have been just as good at 5'10 as he was at 6'11 you are a moron.

 

[Slicehand]

No you don't know crap. Your a clown. Various physical attributes in any sport gives you an advantage. You have no point. And none of its relevant. If you think Randy Johnson would have been just as good at 5'10 as he was at 6'11 you are a moron.

He doesnt believe in talent, he doesnt seem to have hit many courts, not likely a sports person, doesnt matter your body type, either you got it or you dont, many strengths can be atributted to body type, but thats just an anecdote, once you hit a court, you better have your nerves your mentality, and some talent, either short or tall

 

[stringertom]

Dumbest thing I've read in a while. You comparing a pitcher pitching to a tennis player serving? You're basically saying throwing a ball to a catcher is the same as serving a ball over a net into a certain part of the court is the same lolol

Baseball pitching is actually a lot more of a science requiring even more precision to be successful at a pro level than serving a tennis ball. The ace pitcher often cracks 100mph without the physics crutch of a racquet to generate speed AND they must direct the ball into a window just 17 inches wide and roughly 2 feet in height. In contrast, the service box is 21 feet by 13.5 feet.

Don’t even get started on how many different variations of spin on pitches vs the three basic styles in serving. Pitching is a whole bunch harder than serving.

 

[insideguy]

He doesnt believe in talent, he doesnt seem to have hit many courts, not likely a sports person, doesnt matter your body type, either you got it or you dont, many strengths can be atributted to body type, but thats just an anecdote, once you hit a court, you better have your nerves your mentality, and some talent, either short or tall

Its lunacy. People who make comments like this know nothing about sports. It literally doesnt even matter. If some 7'9 guy came on tour and hit 200mph serves and thats all he could do. IT DOESNT MATTER. Because its part of the game. What are we suppose to do have height limits? The whole thing is stupid.

 

[insideguy]

Baseball pitching is actually a lot more of a science requiring even more precision to be successful at a pro level than serving a tennis ball. The ace pitcher often cracks 100mph without the physics crutch of a racquet to generate speed AND they must direct the ball into a window just 17 inches wide and roughly 2 feet in height. In contrast, the service box is 21 feet by 13.5 feet.

Don’t even get started on how many different variation of spin on pitches vs the three basic styles in serving. Pitching is a whole bunch harder than serving.

And Johnson had both. Again his tall height gave him a huge disadvantage when he first came up because he had massive control issues. But in the end it was a advantage. And anyone on here who tells me he wins over 300 games if he was 5'8 is full of crap. Height gives you advantages and disadvantages in any sport. A tall forward in soccer can be great for crosses in the box. But he may not be very useful for much else. But its not relevant if he serves a purpose on a team. And scores goals on headers.

 

[Slicehand]

Its lunacy. People who make comments like this know nothing about sports. It literally doesnt even matter. If some 7'9 guy came on tour and hit 200mph serves and thats all he could do. IT DOESNT MATTER. Because its part of the game. What are we suppose to do have height limits? The whole thing is stupid.

He is just diminishing players saying like its easy just because they are tall, but for example he doesnt talk about how difficult must be to move at that level being that tall, who tells you if he was 6ft he wouldnt be winning slams? Just diminishing, because everything is easy for him

 

[insideguy]

He is just diminishing players saying like its easy just because they are tall, but for example he doesnt talk about how difficult must be to move at that level being that tall, who tells you if he was 6ft he wouldnt be winning slams? Just diminishing, because everything is easy for him

We don't know what kind of player Isner would be if he was 6'1 you are correct and no one knows. But again thats not relevant because he isn't 6'1. He plays the way he is capable of playing for his height.

 

[PSNELKE]

No you don't know crap. Your a clown. Various physical attributes in any sport gives you an advantage. You have no point. And none of its relevant. If you think Randy Johnson would have been just as good at 5'10 as he was at 6'11 you are a moron.

Pedro Martinez was 5'10 and he's also one of the best evern, so? What 5"10 dude comes even slightly close to Isner serving? lmao clown

The only advantage a tall pitchers has is that he can theoretically generate more speed due to his long limbs but there is so much more to pitching than to serving. Serving from a tree and having pretty much 2 first serves is just a godly advantage. There's many dudes in the MLB today who can easily throw 102, 103 mph like the big unit and they're "only" 6'2. (Helsley, Hicks, Munoz)

You're a clown my guy. Saying a 6'10 pitcher has the same advantage as a 6'10 server is stuff of retards and hella unscientific

 

[insideguy]

Pedro Martinez was 5'10 and he's also one of the best evern, so? What 5"10 dude comes even slightly close to Isner serving? lmao clown

The only advantage a tall pitchers has is that he can theoretically generate more speed due to his long limbs but there is so much more to pitching than to serving. Serving from a tree and having pretty much 2 first serves is just a godly advantage. There's many dudes in the MLB today who can easily throw 102, 103 mph like the big unit and they're "only" 6'2. (Helsley, Hicks, Munoz)

You're a clown my guy. Saying a 6'10 pitcher has the same advantage as a 6'10 server is stuff of retards and hella unscientific

WHAT DOES THAT MATTER! Honestly. What is your point! A wide receiver can't be a lineman and a lineman can't be a wide receiver. This is possibly the dumbest thing ever. A tall wide receiver has some advantages over a shorter one. He can go up and get balls that shorter ones can't. Does that mean he shouldn't be playing in the NFL?

 

[PSNELKE]

He is just diminishing players saying like its easy just because they are tall, but for example he doesnt talk about how difficult must be to move at that level being that tall, who tells you if he was 6ft he wouldnt be winning slams? Just diminishing, because everything is easy for him

You don't know what his movement and ground game would be like if he was 6 ft. But you do know that his serve would not be nowhere near as good as it is now. For obvious scientific reasons. That's the point. Schwartzman could have the best ground game of anyone on the tour, he'd still be slamless because that teletubbie serve is just such a huge disadvantage

 

[-snake-]

1. It's Usain not Hussain. 2. Yes it's the long legs that give Usain a huge advantage just like the fact that Phelps massive, long torso, long wingspan, short legs and unparalleled lung capacity give him a HUGE advantage over his opponents.

There is literallly scientific studies conducted on Bolt, Phelps and even on tall tennis players that explain the advantage they have.

Why are black dudes the better sprinters? Because black people generally have longer limbs. And why are white people generally the better swimmers? Because they got longer torsos. There's more factors but there is scientific facts that ya'll can't explain with just "talent". Neither Karlovic nor Isner are that talented, they're primarily just tall. Just like Opelak. If he stays healthy and dedicated in his late 30s, he will continue to make finals as well. Something shorter dudes won't be able to. Unless we talking Federer, Djokovic, Nadal. Generational talents that neither Karlovic nor Isner are

No one's questioning that being a giant works in his favor, it's just that there are plenty of guys who are tall and never ever served like him.

 

[Slicehand]

We don't know what kind of player Isner would be if he was 6'1 you are correct and no one knows. But again thats not relevant because he isn't 6'1. He plays the way he is capable of playing for his height.

Well i guess this guy could know using his physics, its highly relevant, just have to do some maths and youll know everything

 

[insideguy]

You don't know what his movement and ground game would be like if he was 6 ft. But you do know that his serve would not be nowhere near as good as it is now. For obvious scientific reasons. That's the point. Schwartzman could have the best ground game of anyone on the tour, he'd still be slamless because that teletubbie serve is just such a huge disadvantage

But who gives a crap! He has a good serve. And takes advantage of it! Some guys in cycling have better lung capacity and take advantage of it. For gods sake.

 

[PSNELKE]

WHAT DOES THAT MATTER! Honestly. What is your point! A wide receiver can't be a lineman and a lineman can't be a wide receiver. This is possibly the dumbest thing ever. A tall wide receiver has some advantages over a shorter one. He can go up and get balls that shorter ones can't. Does that mean he shouldn't be playing in the NFL?

My point is literally that being 7' is such a huge advantage, that you can still win tournaments at 40 years of age. And ya'll are denying that, acting like anything else but that serve is to "blame" for that.

 

[Slicehand]

My point is literally that being 7' is such a huge advantage, that you can still win tournaments at 40 years of age. And ya'll are denying that, acting like anything else but that serve is to "blame" for that.

Many players have won tournaments at high 30s, im not gonna bother tolist them but you can check it, my conclusion: no one said its not an advantage, also, you have to first serve good to take benefit from that advantage, if you make a tour full of 7 footers there always gonna be a top 1 and a top 1000, and its not gonna be decided because one has an arm 1cm longer, bye

 

[insideguy]

Well i guess this guy could know using his physics, its highly relevant, just have to do some maths and youll know everything

I have never seen a dumber argument on this board than this one from this dude. If Hank Aaron wouldn't had freakishly strong wrists he never would have hit over 700 home runs. His wrists were not fair. He was just stronger than everyone else and that is no fair. If he wouldn't have been as strong as he was he would have been a singles hitter. WTF is this.

 

[PSNELKE]

No one's questioning that being a giant works in his favor, it's just that there are plenty of guys who are tall and never ever served like him.

You know who is the only player that has served more aces in less matches than Isner?.............The man who is one inch taller than Isner, Ivo Karlovic.

Federer last reached the finals of a tournament aged 38. You know who was the only player older than him? Ivo Karlovic aged 40. Damn, they must be similarly talented then. Or could it be that one of those guys is just 6'11 and serves from trees?

 

[insideguy]

Many players have won tournaments at high 30s, im not gonna bother tolist them but you can check it, my conclusion: no one said its an advantage, also, you have to first serve good to take that advantage, if you make a tour full of 7 footers there always gonna be a top 1 and a top 1000, bye

And so what? He is 37 and is ranked like 50. He has won some matches here. The whole thing is not relevant. It just makes you mad he wins matches sometimes. You can't even get on a basketball team if you are under a certain height. Is that unfair?

 

[insideguy]

You know who is the only player that has served more aces in less matches than Isner?.............The man who is one inch taller than Isner, Ivo Karlovic.

Federer last reached the finals of a tournament aged 38. You know who was the only player older than him? Ivo Karlovic aged 40. Damn, they must be similarly talented then. Or could it be that one of those guys is just 6'11 and serves from trees?

It doesnt matter. Why does this matter to you? He's a pro tennis player. Period. No matter what you say his advantages or disadvantages are.

 

[Slicehand]

This is really becoming too circular

 

[insideguy]

This is really becoming too circular

Agreed I just put him on ignore.

 

[PSNELKE]

Many players have won tournaments at high 30s, im not gonna bother tolist them but you can check it, my conclusion: no one said its not an advantage, also, you have to first serve good to take benefit from that advantage, if you make a tour full of 7 footers there always gonna be a top 1 and a top 1000, and its not gonna be decided because one has an arm 1cm longer, bye

Ok, name the players in their late 30s who have reached an ATP tournament final in the past 30 decades. Let's say, since Jimmy Connors. There's Connors and Federer (All time great and a GOAT candidate) and then there are Isner and Karlovic. Name the rest, there are none. Agassi's last final came at 35. And that's another all time great. Feli Lopez comes to mind, however exclusively on grass

So what makes Isner and Karlovic reach finals being even older than Agassi? Their godly talent?

 

[Slicehand]

Ok, name the players in their late 30s who have reached an ATP tournament final in the past 30 decades. Let's say, since Jimmy Connors. There's Connors and Federer (All time great and a GOAT candidate) and then there are Isner and Karlovic. Name the rest, there are none. Agassi's last final came at 35. And that's another all time great. Feli Lopez comes to mind, however exclusively on grass

So what makes Isner and Karlovic reach finals being even older than Agassi? Their godly talent?

What are you talking about?? Youre full of shiht, check your facts!, now i know you are trolling, feliciano lopez at queens, gasquet at umag, those are just the ones that come to my head, if i checked im sure i could get many more, im done with you man

 

[-snake-]

You know who is the only player that has served more aces in less matches than Isner?.............The man who is one inch taller than Isner, Ivo Karlovic.

Federer last reached the finals of a tournament aged 38. You know who was the only player older than him? Ivo Karlovic aged 40. Damn, they must be similarly talented then. Or could it be that one of those guys is just 6'11 and serves from trees?

Lol, Isner's FH is way better than Ivo's tho. As I said, the only reason why he's still around is because the competition sucks and the young MUGS can't stop him.

Going on and on about his height is dumb 'cause that needs no explanation.

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

So thrilled with Carlos winning that second set 6-1! Super excited! Hope he wins easily tomorrow in his match with Norrie!

I lean towards Coric over Auger-Aliassime - whoever wins could potentially play my Carlitos in the semis, hard to know which one would be easier for my Carlitos to defeat...

Fritz or Medvedev, either one is fine. Isner over Tsitsipas would be awesome! Obviously: ALCARAZ over Norrie!

 

[taylor15]

His backhand is my favourite shot on tennis...ever, its almost like he is trolling the opponent

Part of why I like him is his non-traditional strokes that still just work.

 

[stringertom]

What are you talking about?? Youre full of shiht, check your facts!, now i know you are trolling, feliciano lopez at queens, gasquet at umag, those are just the ones that come to my head, if i checked im sure i could get many more, im done with you man

I’m sure PSNELKE has trolled successfully in blurring your vision about reality. The proof is the Gasquet allusion, ignoring the fact that Reeshard is actually two weeks younger than someone who has won 2 slams since Gasquet made Umag final.

 

[stringertom]

And Johnson had both. Again his tall height gave him a huge disadvantage when he first came up because he had massive control issues. But in the end it was a advantage. And anyone on here who tells me he wins over 300 games if he was 5'8 is full of crap. Height gives you advantages and disadvantages in any sport. A tall forward in soccer can be great for crosses in the box. But he may not be very useful for much else. But its not relevant if he serves a purpose on a team. And scores goals on headers.

The height advantage as a baseball pitcher is magnified by the extra stride length of the taller pitcher. Every hurler starts at 60 feet 6 inches from home plate but the taller the pitcher the closer to the batter he reaches before releasing the ball. In a timeframe measured in fractions of seconds it is a very different task to react to a 100 mph aspirin when it leaves the hand at 57 feet rather than 58 feet. No “foot faults” in baseball other than the anchor foot leaving the rubber, which is never called.

 

[Fedforever]

Hence you have the currency of "mug generation" commentary in these forums. That didn't really exist before but came about as the big 3/4 kept going... and saw off several new-gens.

FAA et al are very committed professionals who however just look on tv like they wimp out. It's not intentional I don't think but we wonder where are the Hewitts Ferrers etc

This sums it up really.

It feels like just excuses now. Sure,the big 3 are great. But they were better eight or nine years ago and Stan and Andy still managed to take Slams for themselves.

 

[Vamos Rafa Nadal]

Fritz, Isner, ALCARAZ and Coric are the ones I am rooting for today but I actually like all but one of the quarterfinalists! I will trade the other three in for a Carlitos victory today of course!

 

[James P]

Coric back into the top 100 finally, and Rublev out of the top 10 for the first time since he joined it in October 2020. First Berrettini, now Rublev this year.

 

[ttwreader]

 

[stringertom]

7 born in ‘96 or more recently; 1 old fart but a dangerous one with that serve (TRS’13 finalist).

 

[SeeingDusk]

You forgot the mightiest of all: Foe's mega-choke vs Fritz in MTL.

And Korda was about to choke it right back tonight, missing endless MPs including one on an elementary high volley into the wide-open court. Clearly he was battling the ghosts of his own previous collapse vs Tiafoe in Estoril - which easily remains the frontrunner for Choke of the Year.

Add sinner to the list of chokers. Up a set and 4-2 and lose. Also had MPs at 6-5 up 40-15 on Felix serve. Couldn’t convert and lost badly in tb then destroyed in set 3 of course.

 

[ultimathule]

It's great seeing Ram and Salisbury playing classical (S & V) doubles tennis.

 

[mike danny]

Coric back into the top 100 finally, and Rublev out of the top 10 for the first time since he joined it in October 2020. First Berrettini, now Rublev this year.

Rublev has kind of sucked since Cincy 2021. Not surprised.

 

[fundrazer]

Geeze. Meddy has maybe one and a half steps back on return before he's literally right up against the back wall.

 

[fundrazer]

Love hold for Taylor to start. Brought out the serve and volley one point too. Good stuff.

 

[junior74]

No match thread for our world #1, but Carlito got one

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

No match thread for our world #1, but Carlito got one

Mugs who can't even beat sad oldoll deserve nufin, no?

 

[fundrazer]

Fritz doing a great job controlling all of his serve points so far. Only dropped one point through 2 games and even then it was a forehand that missed by inches.

 

[junior74]

Mugs who can't even beat sad oldoll deserve nufin, no?

What happen-ed to the poster who invented Doll?

AndyM, wasn't it?

 

[junior74]

Lovely stuff from Fritz there!

 

[zuluzazu]

Would be funny if Coric won Cincy. Rooting hard for him